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08/22/2007 08:08:15 PM · #1
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by breadfan35:

If any of that stuff is true, I will be getting a D300 or (if I can afford it) a D3 IF the noise performance has been improved.


Considering the news about the new 12mp Sony sensor, I don't think we'll be disappointed. The rumors of 12,800 and 25,600 ISO's going on over at DPReview are pretty promising also. The Canon CMOS advantage with Noise has always been their built-in hardware based noise reduction, while everyone else has been doing it almost exclusively off-chip. Here's hopin anyways.


I hear ya. Nikon has been making great strides I think. D200 does better with noise than the D2Xs and the D80 does better than the D200, so I have high hopes these cams will be better too. Regardless, once they are announced I'll put my name on a list to get one or the other and then wait for a review to come out. Odds are I'll get a review with test images before I get a camera shipped to me...
08/22/2007 08:01:32 PM · #2
Originally posted by breadfan35:

If any of that stuff is true, I will be getting a D300 or (if I can afford it) a D3 IF the noise performance has been improved.


Considering the news about the new 12mp Sony sensor, I don't think we'll be disappointed. The rumors of 12,800 and 25,600 ISO's going on over at DPReview are pretty promising also. The Canon CMOS advantage with Noise has always been their built-in hardware based noise reduction, while everyone else has been doing it almost exclusively off-chip. Here's hopin anyways.
08/22/2007 07:56:45 PM · #3
Looks like I might be picking up a used D80 soon. :P
08/22/2007 07:40:54 PM · #4
That makes a lot of sense if Nikon introduces cameras with sensor having 1.1x ratio.

I do not think that the D300 will be that expensive. I will think something around 1500-1700$ (the canon 40D is about 1300 $). If this true, and if the price is not that high, this means the end (or at least near the end) of the Canon EOS 5D (soon a new FF canon will be introduced) and a very strong competitor for the 40D.

Soon enough, we will find out and then can discuss about the future of dSLRs. The pace of how things are evolving is getting faster and faster due to the very strong competition.

PS: whatever it happens, I will stick with the D200 for a while...

Message edited by author 2007-08-22 19:41:34.
08/22/2007 07:32:13 PM · #5
Man, after spending all this money on my cam, I want to bring it back now! :(. .. no. The hell with it, image quality will stay the same on all flagship sensors for at least 50 years.
08/22/2007 07:29:31 PM · #6
If any of that stuff is true, I will be getting a D300 or (if I can afford it) a D3 IF the noise performance has been improved.

Message edited by author 2007-08-22 19:31:54.
08/22/2007 06:49:54 PM · #7
Originally posted by doctornick:

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Oh My! Could it be?


For $8,000 the D3 can be yours! :)


Hey I was looking at saving for the 1Ds MKIII so same same! :-D
08/22/2007 06:48:30 PM · #8
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Oh My! Could it be?


For $8,000 the D3 can be yours! :)
08/22/2007 06:40:26 PM · #9
Oh My! Could it be?
08/22/2007 06:32:47 PM · #10
OMG!

PopSCI published an embargoed article early, but Technorati has the intro still.

Full frickin frame.

Linky

Combined with the Sony sensor info, this is looking pretty happy :) Not that I'll be able to afford any of it. But this means a lot of D200's are going to be dropped on the FM forums :D

Message edited by author 2007-08-22 18:33:02.
08/22/2007 02:08:16 PM · #11
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:

I am glad that with the exception of one lens, the 18/70 ED DX, all my lenses will work with full frame Nikons. I hope that the new bodies will work with the older AI non cpu lenses. The S3 Fuji that I use now works great with them, except that I have to shoot all manual and without metering, which I don't mind, as I have instant readout with the LCD and histograms and "blinkies".
A lot of people who want to upgrade to full frame may be in a tight for full frame lenses if they have been buying the DX lenses for 2/3 sensor size cameras.
The 200 iso may not be a problem with the full frame sensor, as it has more area to gather light, making it more efficent in that regard.

A bigger sensor does nothing for exposure.
ISO 200 on FF has the same limitations as ISO 200 on APS.
I want super shallow DOF in bright light without motion blur... f/1.4 at ISO200 might make me use a longer than wanted shutter. If I had ISO 50 I'm all good w/o use of NG filters.

I also read a rumor somewhere that the FF nikon would have a "Crop" feature that would allow you to use DX lenses essentially making the FF sensor APC-S size when a DX lens is attached.
Hopefully we'll soon find out.

Message edited by author 2007-08-22 14:11:47.
08/22/2007 01:09:47 PM · #12
I am glad that with the exception of one lens, the 18/70 ED DX, all my lenses will work with full frame Nikons. I hope that the new bodies will work with the older AI non cpu lenses. The S3 Fuji that I use now works great with them, except that I have to shoot all manual and without metering, which I don't mind, as I have instant readout with the LCD and histograms and "blinkies".
A lot of people who want to upgrade to full frame may be in a tight for full frame lenses if they have been buying the DX lenses for 2/3 sensor size cameras.
The 200 iso may not be a problem with the full frame sensor, as it has more area to gather light, making it more efficent in that regard.
08/22/2007 01:05:21 PM · #13
17-55 2.8

A superb lens that hurts quite a bit your wallet! Congratulations
08/22/2007 11:49:29 AM · #14
Originally posted by Bugzeye:

I do not believe the 200 ISO, not after the 100 ISO on the D-200 was so well accepted. You would think they would push for even lower like 80 on the next model.

Will be interesting to see what direction they are headed. I hope it is up. Because at this stage in the game. I have far too much money invested in Nikon Glass to jump ship. And I just ordered another one this morning. 17-55 2.8 should get here Monday, I am already in love with this lens. I will probably be drooling when I open the box.


oh man, I want that lens bad. I'll probably settle for the Tamron 17-50 though.
08/22/2007 11:26:54 AM · #15
I do not believe the 200 ISO, not after the 100 ISO on the D-200 was so well accepted. You would think they would push for even lower like 80 on the next model.

Will be interesting to see what direction they are headed. I hope it is up. Because at this stage in the game. I have far too much money invested in Nikon Glass to jump ship. And I just ordered another one this morning. 17-55 2.8 should get here Monday, I am already in love with this lens. I will probably be drooling when I open the box.
08/22/2007 11:02:52 AM · #16
Originally posted by wavelength:

More rumors

Originally posted by photgraphybay:


First off, Nikon will be bringing us a full frame D3X at 16MP and 9 frames per second. The D3X has a crop mode to DX-size at 12MP and 11 frames per second (that would make it industry leader).

Next the Nikon D300 will be 12MP (with a DX sensor) at 6 frames per second. The optional battery grip will boost the shooting rate to 8 frames per second (again, class leader).

Reportedly, both cameras will operate at ISO 200-6400.

Finally, five new lenses are in store for Nikonians. They are as follows:

* 14-24mm f/2.8 G AF-S
* 24-70mm f/2.8 G AF-S
* 400mm f/2.8 G AF-S VR
* 500mm f/4 G AF-S VR
* 600mm f/4 G AF-S VR


This link says, "the scoop from a Japanese blog".
If this is the same asian rumormonger that our beloved friend Ken RockDawg is quoting on his rumor page, then this might not be very accurate.
Ken doesn't give this rumor much clout as the source mentions a new CCD chip made by Nikon which would be a new precedent as they don't make their own chips.
It also wouldn't jive w/ the Sony announcement.
Makes sense to me.

Message edited by author 2007-08-22 11:04:09.
08/22/2007 09:19:18 AM · #17
Yes, ISO 200 seems odd... If ISO 200 is the lower limit, and with the 11 fps, it seems they're really going after sports photogs. Personally I'd take lower noise and 14-bit ADC over high fps pretty much any day of the week.
08/22/2007 08:34:29 AM · #18
I think the two new Nikon cameras are going to be revealed soon!

ISO 200 is surprising though!
08/22/2007 02:07:57 AM · #19
More rumors

Originally posted by photgraphybay:


First off, Nikon will be bringing us a full frame D3X at 16MP and 9 frames per second. The D3X has a crop mode to DX-size at 12MP and 11 frames per second (that would make it industry leader).

Next the Nikon D300 will be 12MP (with a DX sensor) at 6 frames per second. The optional battery grip will boost the shooting rate to 8 frames per second (again, class leader).

Reportedly, both cameras will operate at ISO 200-6400.

Finally, five new lenses are in store for Nikonians. They are as follows:

* 14-24mm f/2.8 G AF-S
* 24-70mm f/2.8 G AF-S
* 400mm f/2.8 G AF-S VR
* 500mm f/4 G AF-S VR
* 600mm f/4 G AF-S VR
08/21/2007 07:27:25 PM · #20
Originally posted by smurfguy:

Originally posted by msieglerfr:

14bit colour RAW alone puts it above the D200 :)

But is it really significant in the end?

Technically it should be, contributing 4 times as many shades of color, especially helping in the shadows where definition is worst to begin with.

Still, I understand your point - gotta wait to see the test images. Unfortunately, I can't say that I'll be getting one (gotta upgrade lenses first), so you'll get no word from me! =)


MF digital are 14 bit so it's safe to assume, I think, that you should see nicer tonal transitions.
Hasn't the MKIII been out awhile so there should be some samples to compare the transition to the MKII.
08/21/2007 07:24:18 PM · #21
Nikon D3 announced...
08/21/2007 06:03:03 PM · #22
Originally posted by msieglerfr:

14bit colour RAW alone puts it above the D200 :)

But is it really significant in the end?

Technically it should be, contributing 4 times as many shades of color, especially helping in the shadows where definition is worst to begin with.

Still, I understand your point - gotta wait to see the test images. Unfortunately, I can't say that I'll be getting one (gotta upgrade lenses first), so you'll get no word from me! =)
08/21/2007 05:45:22 PM · #23
14bit colour RAW alone puts it above the D200 :)

But is it really significant in the end?

I mean on the paper, yes it will make a difference? What about the reality?

Message edited by author 2007-08-21 18:04:54.
08/21/2007 05:38:28 PM · #24
Originally posted by geoffb:

The specs are good--especially for approx. $1300--but I wouldn't say the camera is "well above" the D200.
14bit colour RAW alone puts it above the D200 :)
08/21/2007 09:40:39 AM · #25
Originally posted by KiwiChris:

I can't remember where I read it, but Nikon don't have the tech to do their own chip fabrication, although they obviously collaborate very closely with Sony on the sensor designs for their gear.


Nikon makes the optical parts of the machines that make the Sony sensors....
D2h has a Nikon sensor, but don't know if they make it themselves or have outsourced the production.
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