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08/13/2007 07:39:18 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Originally posted by cudjoem:
I do have a contract but how would you word things as far as the no other photographer part. |
New Wedding Photographer Guide? ;) |
Just finished reading all 79 pages. Good stuff! Thanks for posting.
Nick
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08/09/2007 05:29:29 PM · #2 |
debitipton,
i see what you are saying, but most of the people there did not have cameras. We were simply watching the masters work. We were learning how to interact with couples, find a niche, and all that learning stuff.
Given by some of the best photo people in the bizness. |
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08/09/2007 05:17:20 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by debitipton:
Dare to be different! |
Dare to be different? yes... but dont you dare get in my shot!
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08/09/2007 05:11:34 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by cudjoem:
Originally posted by Travis99:
All of a sudden one of the people giving the seminar looks over and sees him. And he yells "hey uncle bob get out of the way"
Everyone erupted in laughter, I would have hated to been in that gusy shoes.
Over 400 people laughing their asses off, because a wedding photographer fell into the roll of uncle bob.
That was funny!! |
You know if that was me (and I can assure you that will never happen) I would never show my face there again. |
But..... 400 of you had exactly the same photo. Maybe he saw something the rest of you didn't and would have had a completely different perspective to offer the couple rather than 400 of the same (although perfect ) shot. ;-)
Dare to be different!
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08/09/2007 04:23:19 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Travis99:
All of a sudden one of the people giving the seminar looks over and sees him. And he yells "hey uncle bob get out of the way"
Everyone erupted in laughter, I would have hated to been in that gusy shoes.
Over 400 people laughing their asses off, because a wedding photographer fell into the roll of uncle bob.
That was funny!! |
You know if that was me (and I can assure you that will never happen) I would never show my face there again. |
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08/09/2007 04:20:16 PM · #6 |
It reminds me of a time we were doing a wedding photography seminar. It was about 400 wedding photographers in the middle of the desert. We had a bride and groom and a thunderbird. Well the models were positioned in the middle of a dry lake bed with mountains behind them at sunset. Could not ask for a better scence. Well one of the photographers attending seemed to think he could get a better shot from the other side of the cars. So there is 399 photographers on on side of the car and 1 on the other side.
All of a sudden one of the people giving the seminar looks over and sees him. And he yells "hey uncle bob get out of the way"
Everyone erupted in laughter, I would have hated to been in that gusy shoes.
Over 400 people laughing their asses off, because a wedding photographer fell into the roll of uncle bob.
That was funny!! |
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08/09/2007 04:07:25 PM · #7 |
travis, you are right about the new DSLR commercials. Canon has the one w/ teh soccer mom and football dad. Who needs a then $1200 camera to take a bad shot of little johnny.
I don't mind the family people shooting, but its when they move around and get in the backgrounds I get frustrated. This happens when I shoot from behind my subject, ie bride and father walking down the aisle.
Another quick story. This was when I met the groom to give him his photos. He said he already saw a ton of shots from the family and was really tired of seeing badly composed photos of his wedding. He did say that he would get excited when he saw me in the background of the pictures because he knew that I got a good shot from a good angle. This was from my first wedding and the groom was an ex wedding photographer who just never really enjoyed it. It was nice to hear that someone who knows wedding shots liked what I produced.
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08/09/2007 03:53:56 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
I'm looking at that Beginner's Guide. If anyone ever called my mother a SLOTH during the time of my sister's wedding (or if I ever get married), I would forget I'm a pacifist and knock them right into next week. |
Tis thread has pretty much convinced me you're a PFB.
(Potential Future Bridezilla)
Maybe you can photograph your own wedding. |
Actually, I aspire to nothing better than a court house wedding and the Olive Garden after. No photographer needed. |
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08/09/2007 03:43:28 PM · #9 |
In the industy, we call them "uncle Bobs" regaurdless if they are the uncle of their name is Bob. If this is the first one you have ran into.. Well get used to them. They are evergrowing. Especially with commercials like nikons D40 anyone can be a photogrpher commercial.
They are here to stay, the best way to deal with them is to just deal with them. Ignore their comments and do what you were paid to do.
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08/09/2007 03:36:43 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by paganini:
i cringe when i see complaints about weddings by a so-called wedding photographer.
you are the professional - you are expected to work in adverse environments - schedules change, things move on wedding day, it's just life. Get use to it.
the difference between what the guest get and what you'll get with your Nikon is that his photos *may* be in color in ISO 1600, but yours will most likely be in B&W :) |
The best professionals in the world sometimes vent about situations. is that makes me a so-called whatever I rather be that then a so-called human who internalizes all... that is until they either explode or melt down.
To the rest. thank you for you advice, stories, and support... its good to know that every once and a while you can talk your fustrations out to people who understand... as far as i'm concerned the money spent on membership is worth it if only for that! |
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08/09/2007 03:33:36 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Simms:
yeah, dont be downhearted, its all about learning the trade, I have spent the last year learning from a seasoned veteran. My DPC entries have suffered as a result as I have focussed my mindset on weddings, but I am really enjoying shooting them now, stress, uncle bob's and all!! |
Not disheartend at all, and I honestly thank you for the crituque... anything to advance a litle bit more! |
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08/09/2007 03:24:51 PM · #12 |
Any weddings I've attended the hired photographer takes control from the word go. In most cases they're confident, bossy, and loud. They're not afraid of laying down the rules from the outset; "I'll take my photographs first, and then you can take your snapshots - I don't want your flash interfering with my equipment "
The toughest job they appear to have is getting people together for the group shots... this often descends into the confusion of "Where's Uncle Joe?" and then they find Uncle Joe only to discover that Aunt Sally has disappeared for a gossip. |
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08/09/2007 02:55:43 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by paganini:
you are the professional - you are expected to work in adverse environments - schedules change, things move on wedding day, it's just life. Get use to it. |
Adverse environments don't include being usurped by the free help. Unless you forgot to put it in the contract, that is. If you have no contract, you have no room for whining. Well, maybe a little whining ;)
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08/09/2007 02:53:47 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by cudjoem:
Thanks for the comment. I apreciate it... on ething though.. looks like a wedding photo but isn't those are two friends of mine that where helping me do some practice shooting :) but I think you are totally right about the composition and geting better glass... which I'm activly working on. this is my first summer are this I have a few more this year to get better at |
yeah, dont be downhearted, its all about learning the trade, I have spent the last year learning from a seasoned veteran. My DPC entries have suffered as a result as I have focussed my mindset on weddings, but I am really enjoying shooting them now, stress, uncle bob's and all!!
Message edited by author 2007-08-09 15:04:01. |
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08/09/2007 02:29:37 PM · #15 |
i cringe when i see complaints about weddings by a so-called wedding photographer.
you are the professional - you are expected to work in adverse environments - schedules change, things move on wedding day, it's just life. Get use to it.
the difference between what the guest get and what you'll get with your Nikon is that his photos *may* be in color in ISO 1600, but yours will most likely be in B&W :)
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08/09/2007 01:46:36 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by cudjoem:
but then, what a waste of a camera... even a cannon...lol (couldn't resist, sorry :) |
Originally posted by wikipedia:
A cannon, not to be confused with Canon, is any large tubular firearm designed to fire a heavy projectile over a long distance. |
That would have HURT!!!!
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08/09/2007 01:40:15 PM · #17 |
I might have been tempted to beat him with his own camera... but then, what a waste of a camera... even a cannon...lol (couldn't resist, sorry :)
Message edited by author 2007-08-09 13:40:50. |
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08/09/2007 12:23:44 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
Stuff like, "can that lens get smooth background blur like this?" proceeds to show me his shot. Mind you he was shooting w/ a kit lens that doens't get smooth bokkeh. |
Should have asked him if his lens was made of metal, could go to f/2.8, and had a sweet red stripe. Bet that would have shut him up real fast.
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08/09/2007 12:18:39 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
He saw the Canon EOS Digital on my strap so that obviously meant we were friends and I was not too busy to give him technical advice. |
lol!!! :D |
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08/09/2007 12:11:47 PM · #20 |
| Thanks for the comment. I apreciate it... on ething though.. looks like a wedding photo but isn't those are two friends of mine that where helping me do some practice shooting :) but I think you are totally right about the composition and geting better glass... which I'm activly working on. this is my first summer are this I have a few more this year to get better at |
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08/09/2007 12:10:05 PM · #21 |
I pulled a pretty low move once to an Uncle Bob. I knew this guy was going to be trouble because I went to the rehersal to check out the venue. He was there with his Canon 300D and kit lens taking tons of shots, getting up close etc... Just knew he was going to do the same during the actual wedding. Well he set himself up for my "advice."
He saw the Canon EOS Digital on my strap so that obviously meant we were friends and I was not too busy to give him technical advice. He came and started asking questions, but not real questions, more like condescending questions comparing his talents to my lack of. Stuff like, "can that lens get smooth background blur like this?" proceeds to show me his shot. Mind you he was shooting w/ a kit lens that doens't get smooth bokkeh.
Now for the line that got him out of my way. He asked what settings I use to really make a photo stand out? I nicely told him ISO 100 is the key and showed him how to change it. The low light really killed him and he sat down and stopped shooting. I was shooting at 1600 ISO w/ a 24-70 2.8L. HE had no chance.
Not the nicest thing to do, but neither is getting in the way of a hired photog. Im there to do a job and Im going to get it done. |
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08/09/2007 12:05:33 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
When my sister-in-law got married she asked me to bring my gear, even though she had hired a pro. I told her I would stay out of the way, but would shoot some candids for her. She had no faith in the pro. They had hired her, because she was a friend of a friend and when they looked at her portfolio it was all mountian biking shots- no weddings, no portraits, nothing but biking. |
If you have no wedding images in your portfolio, I don't care how good a friend you are. She should never have been hired. That's insane peer pressure!
Originally posted by vxpra:
The moral of this story- if you're going to hire a pro, at least hire a pro wedding photographer. |
Amen. |
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08/09/2007 11:48:28 AM · #23 |
Cudjoem,
left a comment on one of your images. please take dont take it as mean spirited, its definitely criticism in a constructive form. |
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08/09/2007 11:42:08 AM · #24 |
sounds like my... same thing happened at my sisters wedding I was pissed, fo our photographer, nearly told him to pack it in a million times... I kept telling the obviously frustrated photographer (the paid one) to ask him to stop. she did...he didn't lol but my suggestion is in the begining, on the contract put down either NO other photographers, or get them to say whos boss giving you permission to get the others gone.
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08/09/2007 11:30:23 AM · #25 |
When my sister-in-law got married she asked me to bring my gear, even though she had hired a pro. I told her I would stay out of the way, but would shoot some candids for her. She had no faith in the pro. They had hired her, because she was a friend of a friend and when they looked at her portfolio it was all mountian biking shots- no weddings, no portraits, nothing but biking.
The photographer sets up the formals and everything seems to be going good. I was roaming around shooting family and misc. things. By my count the photographer shot 18 rolls of films. When time came for the end of the ceremony and the kiss and the walk back down the aisle the photographer was leaning against a wall, casually changing her flash batteries. My wife elbows me in the ribs and glares at me for having my camera in my lap. I ended up shooting the end of the ceremony, the walk down the aisle and most of the recieving line. The photographer changed her batteries and then decided to go hit the buffet table before, as she told my sister in law, it got crowded.
Four weeks after the ceremony- and about 20 phone calls from my sister in law- she finally got the results of the photographers efforts, 32 shots (poorly printed), no negatives and a cd of positively horrible flat bed scans from beaded surface paper. There were no shots from the formal shootings, aside from 1 of the bride and bridesmaids, that was about 3 stops under exposed. There was a couple shots of the ceremony including the bride walking down the aisle, with both shots cutting off the top of her fathers head. Everything else was candids from the reception. She's been trying to get the negatives ever since, which the contract says they were to get the negatives, but the photographer has been traveling around on the mountain biking circuit and keeps telling her "Oh, they're in my storage unit, when I get back to town I'll get them for you."
The moral of this story- if you're going to hire a pro, at least hire a pro wedding photographer.
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