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07/11/2007 04:18:23 PM · #1 |
I never said that the "understanding the masked message" was credible or scientific, I said that the actual reversing and inclusion in music is surely done.
With that said, see if your subconscience can read this:
.ti gnitrats rof em evigrof doG .daerht bmud siht htiw dehsnif ma I
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Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I don't dispute that certain words and phrases may sort of sound like completely different words when played backwards. What I take issue with is the leap from that simple fact to people being controlled, re-programmed or even understanding the masked message on any level via those means.
That's like saying the planets move across the sky in a certain way, so astrology is true and my fate is determined by my birthday.
Originally posted by kenskid:
What ? I intoduced Gore in response to posts that say the masking doesn't exist or is hyped. I added Gore to show that many people believe in man=warming even though there is science to support and refute the theory...just like many refute backwards masking.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
My god man...don't tell me you're on board with Gore saying man is causing global warming while DOUBTING the existance of backwards masking ! Please say it isn't so.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
First off...by Red Herring, do you mean Al's theroy is red or MY take on it is a Red Herring?
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I mean that bringing it up here is a red herring. |
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No, but the two aren't related. Any discussion of Al Gore and global warming is largely irrelevant to the discussion of backwards masking. |
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07/11/2007 01:58:23 PM · #2 |
I don't dispute that certain words and phrases may sort of sound like completely different words when played backwards. What I take issue with is the leap from that simple fact to people being controlled, re-programmed or even understanding the masked message on any level via those means.
That's like saying the planets move across the sky in a certain way, so astrology is true and my fate is determined by my birthday.
Originally posted by kenskid:
What ? I intoduced Gore in response to posts that say the masking doesn't exist or is hyped. I added Gore to show that many people believe in man=warming even though there is science to support and refute the theory...just like many refute backwards masking.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
My god man...don't tell me you're on board with Gore saying man is causing global warming while DOUBTING the existance of backwards masking ! Please say it isn't so.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
First off...by Red Herring, do you mean Al's theroy is red or MY take on it is a Red Herring?
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I mean that bringing it up here is a red herring. |
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No, but the two aren't related. Any discussion of Al Gore and global warming is largely irrelevant to the discussion of backwards masking. |
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Message edited by author 2007-07-11 13:59:08. |
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07/11/2007 01:31:27 PM · #3 |
What ? I intoduced Gore in response to posts that say the masking doesn't exist or is hyped. I added Gore to show that many people believe in man=warming even though there is science to support and refute the theory...just like many refute backwards masking.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
My god man...don't tell me you're on board with Gore saying man is causing global warming while DOUBTING the existance of backwards masking ! Please say it isn't so.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
First off...by Red Herring, do you mean Al's theroy is red or MY take on it is a Red Herring?
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I mean that bringing it up here is a red herring. |
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No, but the two aren't related. Any discussion of Al Gore and global warming is largely irrelevant to the discussion of backwards masking. |
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07/11/2007 01:25:54 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
My god man...don't tell me you're on board with Gore saying man is causing global warming while DOUBTING the existance of backwards masking ! Please say it isn't so.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
First off...by Red Herring, do you mean Al's theroy is red or MY take on it is a Red Herring?
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I mean that bringing it up here is a red herring. |
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No, but the two aren't related. Any discussion of Al Gore and global warming is largely irrelevant to the discussion of backwards masking. |
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07/11/2007 01:23:34 PM · #5 |
My god man...don't tell me you're on board with Gore saying man is causing global warming while DOUBTING the existance of backwards masking ! Please say it isn't so.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
First off...by Red Herring, do you mean Al's theroy is red or MY take on it is a Red Herring?
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I mean that bringing it up here is a red herring. |
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07/11/2007 11:44:30 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
On backwards masking "science"....I'll look up the vowel/phrase combos that when recorded forward "say" a certian thing and when reversed "say" another in the ENGLISH language. It may take me a while to find it b/c it is generally not part of the other crap associated with backward masking.
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I don't doubt that certain sounds may sound like other sounds when played backwards, but that's just interesting trivia.
The planets may move about the heavens, but that doesn't prove that astrology is real. |
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07/11/2007 11:38:01 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
First off...by Red Herring, do you mean Al's theroy is red or MY take on it is a Red Herring?
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I mean that bringing it up here is a red herring. |
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07/11/2007 11:21:01 AM · #8 |
First off...by Red Herring, do you mean Al's theroy is red or MY take on it is a Red Herring?
On backwards masking "science"....I'll look up the vowel/phrase combos that when recorded forward "say" a certian thing and when reversed "say" another in the ENGLISH language. It may take me a while to find it b/c it is generally not part of the other crap associated with backward masking.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Ignoring your Al Gore red herring, there's also "science" behind just about any fringe belief; astrology, numerology, phrenology, tarot, voodoo.
I'll stick with facts and leave the pseudo-science to the gullible.
Originally posted by kenskid:
Notice I didn't say "scientific FACT". There is a science behind it but not researched and factualized.
On the other hand, Al Gore is screaming SCIENTIFIC FACT about man causing global warming and millions are buying it...even though other scientific studies say different.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
No matter what you beleive, backwards masking is a science and has merit. If a band decides to use phrases that conjure up the devil is another matter. Those "church freaks" don't care if it is backwards or forward, they were against all lyrics that they deemed evil.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I remember watching the church freaks on TV demonstrating this with all kinds of records, claiming that Rock and Roll was the tool of the Devil and generally raising a fuss about nothing.
Hilarious! |
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I'll leave the debate about the "science" for later. I'm sure there's a technology for it and a theory, but neither one makes for scientific fact.
I just remember the hilarity of hearing from them how the armies of Satan were luring innocent Christians to the doom with rock and roll. |
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07/11/2007 10:27:46 AM · #9 |
Ignoring your Al Gore red herring, there's also "science" behind just about any fringe belief; astrology, numerology, phrenology, tarot, voodoo.
I'll stick with facts and leave the pseudo-science to the gullible.
Originally posted by kenskid:
Notice I didn't say "scientific FACT". There is a science behind it but not researched and factualized.
On the other hand, Al Gore is screaming SCIENTIFIC FACT about man causing global warming and millions are buying it...even though other scientific studies say different.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
No matter what you beleive, backwards masking is a science and has merit. If a band decides to use phrases that conjure up the devil is another matter. Those "church freaks" don't care if it is backwards or forward, they were against all lyrics that they deemed evil.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I remember watching the church freaks on TV demonstrating this with all kinds of records, claiming that Rock and Roll was the tool of the Devil and generally raising a fuss about nothing.
Hilarious! |
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I'll leave the debate about the "science" for later. I'm sure there's a technology for it and a theory, but neither one makes for scientific fact.
I just remember the hilarity of hearing from them how the armies of Satan were luring innocent Christians to the doom with rock and roll. |
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07/11/2007 10:05:11 AM · #10 |
Notice I didn't say "scientific FACT". There is a science behind it but not researched and factualized.
On the other hand, Al Gore is screaming SCIENTIFIC FACT about man causing global warming and millions are buying it...even though other scientific studies say different.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
No matter what you beleive, backwards masking is a science and has merit. If a band decides to use phrases that conjure up the devil is another matter. Those "church freaks" don't care if it is backwards or forward, they were against all lyrics that they deemed evil.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I remember watching the church freaks on TV demonstrating this with all kinds of records, claiming that Rock and Roll was the tool of the Devil and generally raising a fuss about nothing.
Hilarious! |
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I'll leave the debate about the "science" for later. I'm sure there's a technology for it and a theory, but neither one makes for scientific fact.
I just remember the hilarity of hearing from them how the armies of Satan were luring innocent Christians to the doom with rock and roll. |
Message edited by author 2007-07-11 10:08:11. |
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07/11/2007 08:51:27 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Anyone remember Stryper? |
hahahahahahaha! I have one of their ALBUMS (those vinyl things they use to put music on) still, that was PURE WHITE. Pretty cool to see, but the music was not that great. Couple good songs though.
edit: HEY! It's worth $20 on ebay. LOL
Message edited by author 2007-07-11 09:01:44.
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07/11/2007 07:30:05 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
...I also just don't buy into the idea that I'm bad if I listen to secular music. I listen to both. |
Trust me I'm with you on that, I listen to just about everything...I do have my lines though and I've had those long before I was a Christian.
I don't understand how you are saying they are trying to run them down your throat if you have the option to turn them off or not, maybe I'm not seeing it your way, just trying to understand. Might not even be the place for it so it can die here if desired. |
Because then I go to church and listen to long winded sermons about how Lynyrd Skynyrd is evil. The Class Rock station is evil. Anything but the crappy, too many commercials, and too much talking Christian radio station is evil! |
awww now I understand. |
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07/11/2007 07:05:41 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
...I also just don't buy into the idea that I'm bad if I listen to secular music. I listen to both. |
Trust me I'm with you on that, I listen to just about everything...I do have my lines though and I've had those long before I was a Christian.
I don't understand how you are saying they are trying to run them down your throat if you have the option to turn them off or not, maybe I'm not seeing it your way, just trying to understand. Might not even be the place for it so it can die here if desired. |
Because then I go to church and listen to long winded sermons about how Lynyrd Skynyrd is evil. The Class Rock station is evil. Anything but the crappy, too many commercials, and too much talking Christian radio station is evil! |
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07/11/2007 01:38:52 AM · #14 |
FWIW, I like several "Christian" bands independent of their religious affiliation. On the whole, they're much much better than they used to be. Anyone remember Stryper?
Once upon a time, as part of my youth group in church played Van Halen's Runnin' with the Devil on the tape player in the sanctuary while we were decorating it for Christmas |
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07/11/2007 01:32:59 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
No matter what you beleive, backwards masking is a science and has merit. If a band decides to use phrases that conjure up the devil is another matter. Those "church freaks" don't care if it is backwards or forward, they were against all lyrics that they deemed evil.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I remember watching the church freaks on TV demonstrating this with all kinds of records, claiming that Rock and Roll was the tool of the Devil and generally raising a fuss about nothing.
Hilarious! |
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I'll leave the debate about the "science" for later. I'm sure there's a technology for it and a theory, but neither one makes for scientific fact.
I just remember the hilarity of hearing from them how the armies of Satan were luring innocent Christians to the doom with rock and roll. |
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07/10/2007 11:45:41 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
...I also just don't buy into the idea that I'm bad if I listen to secular music. I listen to both. |
Trust me I'm with you on that, I listen to just about everything...I do have my lines though and I've had those long before I was a Christian.
I don't understand how you are saying they are trying to run them down your throat if you have the option to turn them off or not, maybe I'm not seeing it your way, just trying to understand. Might not even be the place for it so it can die here if desired. |
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07/10/2007 11:10:52 PM · #17 |
I said most Christian music. There's plenty of Christian bands that I absolutely love.... Rez Band, Steve Taylor, VOL, Rich Mullins just to name a few. But, IMHO the majority of what I hear on the Christian radio stations stink and stink badly, and that is what the establishment is trying to run down my throat.
I also just don't buy into the idea that I'm bad if I listen to secular music. I listen to both. |
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07/10/2007 11:09:43 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Hahah. Youuuu reallly have to listen to that ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST a few times before you get it. I did this in 7th grade for a class (psyche class) and nobody got it on the first try, but as soon as you plant the seed in their heads of what they are hearing, then you definitley notice it. |
I'm calling troll... |
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07/10/2007 11:03:02 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
...I long ago figured out the big secret behind "rock-n-roll is the devil." Most Christian music stinks. Most of (not all of) the artists are either not talented enough to make it in a secular market, or they're only in it until they can cross over. So, the THEY behind Christian music got together to decide what they could do to force people to listen because heaven forbid that they improve the music. So, they decided they'd make it a sin not to listen! Hence the whole "rock-n-roll is the devil" bit.... |
Well saying most Christian artists stink is a pretty general statement, it really depends on what you are defining as "Christian". I happen to know MANY Christian artist that can sing and preform circles around their secular equals (using that term loosly). There are some that could still use some work but what genre doesn't have that? The true Christian singers are there to help spread the word of God and to honor Him, not just to "force" people to listen instead of making it better, quite a few of them HAVE made it better. There are quite a few that have crossed over to secular and some that have actually crossed back because they didn't like the lifestyle but again, I bet it happens in all genre.
Maybe the Christian artists you are listening to are out of your age appreciation group. Here is a link that lists secular artist along with Chrisitian artist that have a similar style (or it could be Christian artist and seculars have a similiar style). There are some for everything from Rap (TobyMac is awesome) to hard metal and everywhere in between. And if you listen closly you might notice many of the songs don't "sound" like what most people think God music is, but are just pleasant to listen to (unlike a lot of the stuff out there today). |
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07/10/2007 10:39:36 PM · #20 |
Here is an example of backwards masking.
//www.metacafe.com/watch/708951/greatest_secret_finally_revealed
Never did like that song. Now I know why. |
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07/10/2007 10:22:38 PM · #21 |
| do you all also know that they could display images on TV that isn't visible to the naked eye? |
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07/10/2007 08:11:56 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I remember watching the church freaks on TV demonstrating this with all kinds of records, claiming that Rock and Roll was the tool of the Devil and generally raising a fuss about nothing.
Hilarious! |
Yeah and now they're on about Harry Potter.
I long ago figured out the big secret behind "rock-n-roll is the devil." Most Christian music stinks. Most of (not all of) the artists are either not talented enough to make it in a secular market, or they're only in it until they can cross over. So, the THEY behind Christian music got together to decide what they could do to force people to listen because heaven forbid that they improve the music. So, they decided they'd make it a sin not to listen! Hence the whole "rock-n-roll is the devil" bit.
But, if you're a church goer, hang out at your local video store sometime and watch what these same "rock-n-roll/devil" people are checking out. How is it okay to watch Hannibal Lector eat somebody's face off, but not to listen to AC/DC? The Bible doesn't describe my ears as the lamp of my body. It's probably only been in the last five years that I've heard anyone start talking about what people watch, and that's because there's starting to be a Christian movie market. Watch. As the Christian movie production increases, you'll hear an increase in sermons about not watching non-Christian movies. |
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07/10/2007 06:11:23 PM · #23 |
I believe it all started as an accident, people finding stuff there that wasn't, then when the HolyRollers pushed it, rockers did it on purpose.
Right now, instead of fighting backwards masking...lets work on forwards rapping.
EDIT: FUnny as I listened to all those previously posted (the link), I could not understand a freakin word, backwards. But after seeing the words, you can (sortof) hear the "message."
Message edited by author 2007-07-10 18:16:35.
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07/10/2007 05:09:52 PM · #24 |
No matter what you beleive, backwards masking is a science and has merit. If a band decides to use phrases that conjure up the devil is another matter. Those "church freaks" don't care if it is backwards or forward, they were against all lyrics that they deemed evil.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I remember watching the church freaks on TV demonstrating this with all kinds of records, claiming that Rock and Roll was the tool of the Devil and generally raising a fuss about nothing.
Hilarious! |
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07/10/2007 05:02:29 PM · #25 |
I remember watching the church freaks on TV demonstrating this with all kinds of records, claiming that Rock and Roll was the tool of the Devil and generally raising a fuss about nothing.
Hilarious! |
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