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06/11/2007 03:11:14 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by Konador:
If it's not in the category, I wouldn't think the challenge was the right place for it either. |
Now that you have just killed 95% of the challenge photos' why vote.
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06/11/2007 01:27:12 PM · #2 |
| I'm just hoping the guy in mine doesn't ever find me or the picture. He looked kinda mean. |
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06/11/2007 01:03:09 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by smurfguy:
Also, Brad - I can't wait to see your shot, as well! You had some pretty sweet candids in your portfolio, so this must be great! =D |
Scores don't drive me much anymore with what I submit, but in this case, I am very disappointed after looking this morning.
Very disappointed. |
:( I am sure it's great! I also can't wait to see what you have in this challenge. Your candids are fantastic!!!
I am very disappointed too, but I am very new at the candid thing. I just thought I had something real and interesting with good composition and clarity. I am at a loss to understand why this is being voted so badly. (5.1) Maybe it's something I don't see or Monday morning grouchiness, perhaps? :) |
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06/11/2007 11:31:39 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by smurfguy:
Also, Brad - I can't wait to see your shot, as well! You had some pretty sweet candids in your portfolio, so this must be great! =D |
Scores don't drive me much anymore with what I submit, but in this case, I am very disappointed after looking this morning.
Very disappointed.
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06/11/2007 11:29:13 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by khdoss:
I took this picture  last year and the man is almost blind. He was talking to my husband as I was shooting the pictures. He had no idea when I was snapping except for the sound of my camera. I received a decent score a few nice comments. But I felt something huge when I was photographing him. It was selected as Kodak
POD on July 31st of 2006. I went out a bought a beautiful frame and mat
and took it out to him and his family. It was an wonderful momemt for all of us and I am better person for meeting him. |
Wonderful.
There are some things that just make the world go around. Bravo!
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06/11/2007 10:55:16 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Brad:
Well Scott, I offered my 0.02¢ in this thread, and near the end of it, added:.
If it looks like a candid, it's a candid. End result. Up to each person on how they go about achieving it, even if it is staged. Hollywood stages everything we see on screen, most of it isn't real, yet we perceive it to be, so why should your photograph be any different?
Too many experts I suppose. |
Everytime I see or hear the word "Expert" I am reminded of an old crusty Staff Sargeant who told me that the word "Expert" was derived from two words:
X - an undetermined amount, and
SPURT - a little drip under pressure
Needless to say I never called anyone I cared for an "expert" after that. :O)
Ray |
I'd always heard that "expert" was derived from these two:
Ex - A has been.
Spurt - A drip under pressure.
Either way, the resulting opinion of "experts" is the same. |
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06/11/2007 10:46:12 AM · #7 |
If someone says your image looks staged, it means exactly that ... it LOOKS staged.
we don't have the benefit of a "this is what happened" story before we vote on an image
If the challenge was "Happy", and someone submitted a picture of someone laughing, but the laughing person looks angry because he/she is frozen in time. The person LOOKS angry ... it simply doesn't convey "happy". Doesn't matter what the situation was - only what the image shows. |
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06/11/2007 10:28:19 AM · #8 |
Eye contact! but how could this be staged? did I stop the train down the street or run beside it and tell the man I was going to take his picture when he comes to the next intersection? NO! I saw the train a coming, coming down the track....ok song out of head and back to subject. I pulled over and waited when he got close I took one shot, one candid shot and he was looking at me.
Can anyone say this was staged? So eye contact does not = staged. And some that looks posed does not = posed.
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06/11/2007 10:25:41 AM · #9 |
DPC voters are mean, unscrupulous, vindictive, evil creatures. But ya got to love them. :-)
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06/11/2007 10:22:39 AM · #10 |
I just believe in "Innocent till proven guilty" and not "guilty until proven innocent". So I am giving each photograph the benefit of a doubt that it is a candid moment unless it is so obvious it's not, even that will be hard to prove.
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06/11/2007 10:15:58 AM · #11 |
got to agree with Brad here, each picture has its merit, there was thought and time spent on it. Vote on the merit, if it feels off to you skip it. If it evokes any emotion comment on it.
I took this picture last year and the man is almost blind. He was talking to my husband as I was shooting the pictures. He had no idea when I was snapping except for the sound of my camera. I received a decent score a few nice comments. But I felt something huge when I was photographing him. It was selected as Kodak
POD on July 31st of 2006. I went out a bought a beautiful frame and mat
and took it out to him and his family. It was an wonderful momemt for all of us and I am better person for meeting him.
I will never understand why every subject has to be debated to death and then debated some more.
Comment constructively, there is no nice way to tell someone their child is ugly, but they might have pretty hair.
Message edited by author 2007-06-11 10:17:49. |
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06/11/2007 09:54:30 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by hopper:
just vote on what you see, and trust that you know what a candid moment looks like |
I do know what a candid moment looks like. I'm just not going to assume that someone staged a shot. It seems a lot of true candids are being voted down because the voter assumed it was stage directed, even if it *looks* like a very good candid. Fact is, outside of some very talented actors, its pretty difficult to stage a candid moment. |
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06/11/2007 09:52:28 AM · #13 |
Aw come on!! Seriously??? As Melethia points out with JJ's shot - if you've timed it just right and have huge luck, you can catch the person's eyes.... next we'll be hearing that if a person is looking at the camera it DNMC's!!!
If you use your intelligence you'll more often than not have an instinct whether or not the image is candid/natural... Look at JJ's latest entry (OMG just noticed it's slipped off the front page..must rush and find out why!!!) that is a perfect Candid - although it has a look of stagedness about it, if you look at the details it's a masterpiece of candid photography and the feel of it is natural.
People you've gotta break from the boxes and run with instinct.
Originally posted by Lowcivicman99:
I agree with Ben also. Candid should mean that the person is not looking at the camera. I think that crosses the line from candid to portrait. You know what the sad thing. WATCH and see who will win, I’m sure with in the top ten someone will be looking straight at the camera. |
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06/11/2007 09:42:31 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by imagesbytlp:
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:
I'm assuming ... Radical idea, eh? |
This is what I'm talking about...why guess. |
why "assume" anything? "Guessing" that they are ALL candid is just as bad as "guessing" that they ALL aren't.
just vote on what you see, and trust that you know what a candid moment looks like |
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06/11/2007 09:36:03 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:
Yep, it sure looks like the voters are getting caught up in guessing whether or not the photo is "candid" or "staged" and voting based on their conjecture.
I'm going the other way -- I'm assuming every single image in the challenge IS a candid, and voting on the photograph. Radical idea, eh? |
This is what I'm talking about...just giving everyone the benefit of doubt based on the spirit of the challenge. There is no way of knowing for sure...so, why guess. |
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06/11/2007 09:30:33 AM · #16 |
Yep, it sure looks like the voters are getting caught up in guessing whether or not the photo is "candid" or "staged" and voting based on their conjecture.
I'm going the other way -- I'm assuming every single image in the challenge IS a candid, and voting on the photograph. Radical idea, eh? |
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06/11/2007 09:26:55 AM · #17 |
| It's just DPC and nothing more. I take for example my DESAT entry, one of the commends stated that it would look just as good in color as it was partially desat so desat didn't add anything to it. Yup DPC voters, with all the comments here, it will make no difference. Heck if you don't think it's candid then skip voting on it. Why vote something down if you just are in a bad mood? Go get a drink, take a shower and come back and start voting all over. If you still feel like every photo you've taken is better than the ones you are voting on then skip the voting ... turn pro and find a site where everyone else is nice and compliments your work. Many voters here at DPC leave comments that are just plain stupid or mean, nothing of substance. I can't figure it out. There are lots of other sites that many more photos are submitted than here and I've never seen a "cat fight" like happens here almost daily. Generally DPC is a great place to learn but a few people make it a frustrating place for many, again as in politics ...the minority controls the emotions of the many ... too bad it has to be this way here at DPC |
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06/11/2007 09:26:46 AM · #18 |
| I accept your challenge. If I think a photo doesn't look candid, I will say so. |
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06/11/2007 09:25:40 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I for one do not pretend to know what people are thinking or what their intentions are ... |
Nor do I, and that's exactly why we should just vote on the image. There is no "eye contact equals staged" rule. Either the images appears to be a candid moment or it doesn't.
Whether or not it was ACTUALLY a candid moment or not shouldn't matter, we have no way of knowing that. |
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06/11/2007 09:12:37 AM · #20 |
Ray, throughout this whole discussion, that picture of JJ's kept coming to mind. Awesome "candid" though I'm betting there are those that would say "oh, it's staged!" Balderdash.
I'm getting knocked down for "staged" myself, I think. Gotta say ain't no way I could have staged it, even if I wanted to. But so be it. |
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06/11/2007 09:09:47 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Lowcivicman99:
I agree with Ben also. Candid should mean that the person is not looking at the camera. I think that crosses the line from candid to portrait. You know what the sad thing. WATCH and see who will win, I’m sure with in the top ten someone will be looking straight at the camera. |
I am afraid I have to disagree with that premise. There exists a monumental amount of difference between something that is "Posed" and a candid image where the subject is looking at the camera through sheer happenstance.
A prime example of what I am alluding to is an image taken by JJ Beguin which I earnestly believe not only meets the challenge criteria, but would also score very well, namely this image : .
Not everything in life is clear cut and black and white, and it behooves us to show a certain degree of latitude when passing judgement on the work of others. I for one do not pretend to know what people are thinking or what their intentions are, and am prone to be ever so tolerant when voting.
Ray |
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06/11/2007 08:55:51 AM · #22 |
I agree with Ben also. Candid should mean that the person is not looking at the camera. I think that crosses the line from candid to portrait. You know what the sad thing. WATCH and see who will win, I’m sure with in the top ten someone will be looking straight at the camera.
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06/11/2007 08:52:15 AM · #23 |
Staged or not, perception is reality - just as it is with every other challenge. I generally give people the benefit of the doubt, but why should someone who doesn't be bullied like this? Conformity is overrated.
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06/11/2007 08:39:47 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Well Scott, I offered my 0.02¢ in this thread, and near the end of it, added:.
If it looks like a candid, it's a candid. End result. Up to each person on how they go about achieving it, even if it is staged. Hollywood stages everything we see on screen, most of it isn't real, yet we perceive it to be, so why should your photograph be any different?
Too many experts I suppose. |
Everytime I see or hear the word "Expert" I am reminded of an old crusty Staff Sargeant who told me that the word "Expert" was derived from two words:
X - an undetermined amount, and
SPURT - a little drip under pressure
Needless to say I never called anyone I cared for an "expert" after that. :O)
Ray |
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06/11/2007 08:13:43 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by robinssong:
So... would you think if the subject is looking at the camera it would get a lousy score? |
Not at all - it just means you caught a golden moment...as it was said somewhere on this thread or on the "other" one... it's not easy capturing a great candid. There seems to be the misconception that if you just snap anything, it should be a great Candid shot. Timing is everything in candid photography...you've got to follow your subject and watch and anticipate and shoot from the hip at the exact right moment...lots of instinct involved. This is usually my strength. I often get the comment on other challenge submissions that its a "great candid"...but what do I really know I'm scoring a 5.3 in this one :-(
Message edited by author 2007-06-11 08:14:08. |
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