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 06/11/2007 08:13:31 PM · #1
One of his was red and the other was blue, I think. Finding a sharpener for them, not that was a bear.
 06/11/2007 08:10:54 PM · #2
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by bergiekat:

And what about those huge, fat pencils we learned to write with (than no longer exist). They had that almost candy apple burgundy on the outside and the erasers were either green or pink. They had one that was almost midnight blue, too. (Ok, so I'm old!)


You can still get them. I bought some recently for my 5 yo because he complained that regular pencils hurt his hand.


In TX (snotty little kids) have to get mechanical pencils and all kinds of crap. I always thought those Jumbo pencils were so cool and they do serve a purpose, but I've not seen a school kid with one in years!! Your son is lucky. But do they look cool or are they just like all the pencils now with pictures and stuff all over them. Ours were like clasic cars, lol!
 06/11/2007 08:04:13 PM · #3
Originally posted by bergiekat:

And what about those huge, fat pencils we learned to write with (than no longer exist). They had that almost candy apple burgundy on the outside and the erasers were either green or pink. They had one that was almost midnight blue, too. (Ok, so I'm old!)


You can still get them. I bought some recently for my 5 yo because he complained that regular pencils hurt his hand.
 06/11/2007 07:57:33 PM · #4
Originally posted by GeneralE:
An auditor specializing in pencil manufacturers -- isn't there a potential conflict of interest there? ;-)


No, not specializing in pencil manufacturers...specializing in certain types of manufacturing operations and processes. Pencils just happen to fall into one of the code categories...also power generation and distribution, electronic manufacturing, bio-medical research and engineering, pharmaceuticals, aircraft engine/gas-steam turbine manufacturing, and many others. Those were most of my business. I also had two paper mills and one plant that manufactured colored artist pencils as one of their products.
 06/11/2007 07:57:00 PM · #5
Hey, who made Trusy pencils? Remember those? You could bend them (somewhat) and they didn't break!!!

And what about those huge, fat pencils we learned to write with (than no longer exist). They had that almost candy apple burgundy on the outside and the erasers were either green or pink. They had one that was almost midnight blue, too. (Ok, so I'm old!)
 06/11/2007 07:47:23 PM · #6
Originally posted by soup:
great - now ticonderoga will start burning even more tires for fuel...;{

to bad about the fire though.


Ha! I know exactly what you are talking about. However, this manufacturer is not the same as the paper mill. Dixon acquired Ticonderoga, New York-based American Graphite Company in like 1873. The pencil came a few years later I believe.

Message edited by author 2007-06-11 19:52:17.
 06/11/2007 06:07:28 PM · #7
great - now ticonderoga will start burning even more tires for fuel...;{

to bad about the fire though.


06/11/2007 04:08:31 PM · #8
Originally posted by CEJ:
I am not so sure your facts are correct in stating only 2 pencil companies in USA. I believe the correct fact is "Among US pencil manufacturers just two company’s with production history pre-dating 1920 still trace current ownership to descendants of company founders."

US Pencil manufacturers:
Dixon Ticonderoga

General Pencil

Musgrave Pencil

California Cedar Products

Newell - acquired three top U.S. pencil and art goods companies: Sanford Corporation, Faber-Castell Corporation, and Empire-Berol Corporation. All three were integrated into Newell's Sanford division, which also includes the art materials brand M. Grumbacher.

Binney & Smith of Easton, Pennsylvania, the maker of Crayola crayons and a subsidiary of Hallmark Cards

There are also many more that are listed more as cosmetics pencil manufacturers even though they manufacturer general purpose pencils as well as well as specialty pencil manufacturers for specific working environments. There is also an Indian tribe - Blackfeet if I remember correctly from the box they come in - that manufactures an excellent pencil.


that is very interesting. I got my facts from a full page article that the local newspaper ran a while back. I kept it, maybe I can dig it out and see what it had to say.
 06/11/2007 03:43:43 PM · #9
Originally posted by nards656:
Didn't he invent baking soda, too?

Hammer had nothing to do with the founding of that company but, if I recall correctly, later either purchased or invested in it temporarily because of the connection with his name.

Armand Hammer made his main fortune in the oil business founding Occidental Petroleum after he had "retired".
 06/11/2007 03:40:34 PM · #10
Originally posted by GeneralE:
An auditor specializing in pencil manufacturers -- isn't there a potential conflict of interest there? ;-)


Nah... everybody knows you're not supposed to fill out your taxes in pencil. :p
 06/11/2007 03:35:10 PM · #11
An auditor specializing in pencil manufacturers -- isn't there a potential conflict of interest there? ;-)
 06/11/2007 03:23:24 PM · #12
Ha...sorry...one of the industry categories I was certified to audit in back when I did audits as a consultant and was free to and very happily traveled most of the time.
 06/11/2007 03:16:30 PM · #13
Maybe more than I needed to know -- great work! Thanks.
 06/11/2007 03:01:52 PM · #14
Originally posted by GeneralE:

So these Mongols really are foreign invaders?!


Factory Location:

AMALGAMATED SPECIALTIES CORPORATION
Km. 21 South Super Highway, Muntinlupa City,
Metro Manila, Philippines 1771
 06/11/2007 02:56:26 PM · #15
Originally posted by CEJ:
US Pencil manufacturers:
Dixon Ticonderoga ...

So these Mongols really are foreign invaders?!
06/11/2007 02:52:32 PM · #16
ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda Cleans
The Statue of Liberty!

In celebration of its 100th anniversary on July 4, 1986, the Statue of Liberty's inner copper walls were cleaned with ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda, removing 99 years of coal tar without damaging the copper. More than 100 tons of sodium bicarbonate was used in the restoration.
 06/11/2007 02:50:12 PM · #17
I am not so sure your facts are correct in stating only 2 pencil companies in USA. I believe the correct fact is "Among US pencil manufacturers just two company’s with production history pre-dating 1920 still trace current ownership to descendants of company founders."

US Pencil manufacturers:
Dixon Ticonderoga

General Pencil

Musgrave Pencil

California Cedar Products

Newell - acquired three top U.S. pencil and art goods companies: Sanford Corporation, Faber-Castell Corporation, and Empire-Berol Corporation. All three were integrated into Newell's Sanford division, which also includes the art materials brand M. Grumbacher.

Binney & Smith of Easton, Pennsylvania, the maker of Crayola crayons and a subsidiary of Hallmark Cards

There are also many more that are listed more as cosmetics pencil manufacturers even though they manufacturer general purpose pencils as well as well as specialty pencil manufacturers for specific working environments. There is also an Indian tribe - Blackfeet if I remember correctly from the box they come in - that manufactures an excellent pencil.

Message edited by author 2007-06-11 14:56:34.
 06/11/2007 02:29:12 PM · #18
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by nards656:
Didn't he invent baking soda, too?


Baking Soda is just a mineral. He may have productized it.


That was a joke, I promise. :)
 06/11/2007 02:29:09 PM · #19
Maybe it's time to revisit the Pencil Challenge.
 06/11/2007 02:28:39 PM · #20
Originally posted by nards656:
Didn't he invent baking soda, too?


Baking Soda is just a mineral. He may have productized it.
 06/11/2007 02:26:07 PM · #21
Originally posted by stdavidson:
From the realm of historic interest and pencil factories...

The great American industrialist, Armand Hammer, trained as a physician, put together a medical team and went to Russia in the late teens of the last century to provide much needed medical care after the 1917 revolution. He did it because he had 6 months between the time of his graduation from medical school and the beginning of his residency at, I believe, Boston General Hospital and had nothing better to do. He never started his residency program.

Instead... after meeting with Lenin, Russia's greatest leader of the last century, and seeing the impoverished condition of the country under the czars Hammer decided not only to provide medical teams pro bono but also to pursue capitalistic ventures in support of Lenin after the last Czar of Russia had been deposed.

Building Russia's first pencil factory was his most successful business venture inside Russia and impressed Lenin. Hammer made a fortune in the US selling czarist trinkets in American department stores. In Russia they were considered hated symbols of Czarist Russia. Hammer started many other business ventures there. Russia would have become capitalist under Lenin because of Hammer's influence except Stalin deposed him and Hammer was forced to leave.

Armand Hammer is the only American really respected in the old Soviet Union, primarily because he'd met and was liked by Lenin. Ironically, because of Stalin the first joint venture Hammer had with the Soviet Union was many decades later during the Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster. Within days Hammer worked out an arrangement with the Soviet government to send, at his own expense, a medical team from UCLA to Russia to treat those exposed to nuclear radiation, primarily fire fighters. Unfortunately it was to late, the fire fighters had already absorbed lethal does.

Both his pencil factory and Chernobyl medical team ultimately failed their intended purposes. But what is important is that he tried and down the road that made all the difference in the world.


Didn't he invent baking soda, too?

Message edited by author 2007-06-11 14:26:46.
 06/11/2007 02:25:06 PM · #22
Mirando Black Warrior #2 pencil
Made in Lewisburg, Tennessee, United States by the Sanford Corporation.

Originally posted by gi_joe05:
Originally posted by HBunch:
I too was curious as to where all the pencils come from...
I have a DIXON ORIOLE pencil sitting in front of me that says made in USA, and also 'papermate' pencil made in USA.

I however am not finding where they are made or names of companies other than 'General Pencil Company' in Redwood CA.

About 'your' pencil company, it is always sad to see something you've known since you were a kid be destroyed. Very sad news, I hope he'll rebuild.


that is the other one, I think you may be able to find them. they are a huge company. Panda is small, they only had maybe 50 employees and were on the side of the tracks that no one goes to unless you live over here. if you golf much you would find their pencils, but other then that I don't think they made them

I did have a friend who's mom worked there when I was a kid though, and she made me a box of pencils that said my name on them in green letters. they were golf pencils but I used them like crazy. Math homework is just more fun when you get to use "your" pencil.
06/11/2007 02:17:20 PM · #23
From the realm of historic interest and pencil factories...

The great American industrialist, Armand Hammer, trained as a physician, put together a medical team and went to Russia in the late teens of the last century to provide much needed medical care after the 1917 revolution. He did it because he had 6 months between the time of his graduation from medical school and the beginning of his residency at, I believe, Boston General Hospital and had nothing better to do. He never started his residency program.

Instead... after meeting with Lenin, Russia's greatest leader of the last century, and seeing the impoverished condition of the country under the czars Hammer decided not only to provide medical teams pro bono but also to pursue capitalistic ventures in support of Lenin after the last Czar of Russia had been deposed.

Building Russia's first pencil factory was his most successful business venture inside Russia and impressed Lenin. Hammer made a fortune in the US selling czarist trinkets in American department stores. In Russia they were considered hated symbols of Czarist Russia. Hammer started many other business ventures there. Russia would have become capitalist under Lenin because of Hammer's influence except Stalin deposed him and Hammer was forced to leave.

Armand Hammer is the only American really respected in the old Soviet Union, primarily because he'd met and was liked by Lenin. Ironically, because of Stalin the first joint venture Hammer had with the Soviet Union was many decades later during the Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster. Within days Hammer worked out an arrangement with the Soviet government to send, at his own expense, a medical team from UCLA to Russia to treat those exposed to nuclear radiation, primarily fire fighters. Unfortunately it was to late, the fire fighters had already absorbed lethal does.

Both his pencil factory and Chernobyl medical team ultimately failed their intended purposes. But what is important is that he tried and down the road that made all the difference in the world.
 06/11/2007 01:38:58 PM · #24
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Oh do they use graphite in pencils, wtf ever happend to a No. 2 Lead Pencil?


They haven't used lead in pencils since before we were born. (Like, a couple hundred years before...)
 06/11/2007 11:03:29 AM · #25
bump for the day crowd

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