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06/12/2007 05:23:03 AM · #1 |
| I score relative to the other pictures, and not strictly based on the quality of the picture itself. Thus, if I see two pictures that I would normally give, for example, 10s, but I like one significantly better than the other, I may drop the other to a nine so that the one I really like gets the benefit, and so on down the line. This means that, in challenges where there are a lot of entries -- like free challenges, I will inevitably have to give lower scores to some pictures than I might normally give just to separate them from pictures I like better. So I guess my standard is fluid in order to ensure that the pics I like better get a better score from me. The same pic in a different competition might get a different score from me. |
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06/12/2007 05:17:33 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by Artyste:
a good majority of time, there isn't really much else besides the throw-away concept. It's a quick and dirty insight into the human psyche. Figure it out, and you'll win ribbons hand over fist as well.
All depends on what is really important to you. |
I disagree. There are very few images that hit the front page that are not well lit, well composed, technically excellent photos. The magic ticket is to marry technical and artistic excellence with an excellent concept or way of conveying the challenge title. |
You've completely missed my entire point, but thanks for coming out. |
I re-read and now I agree with you... : )
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06/12/2007 05:12:19 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by Artyste:
a good majority of time, there isn't really much else besides the throw-away concept. It's a quick and dirty insight into the human psyche. Figure it out, and you'll win ribbons hand over fist as well.
All depends on what is really important to you. |
I disagree. There are very few images that hit the front page that are not well lit, well composed, technically excellent photos. The magic ticket is to marry technical and artistic excellence with an excellent concept or way of conveying the challenge title. |
You've completely missed my entire point, but thanks for coming out. |
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06/12/2007 04:42:40 AM · #4 |
I probably would have given it a 4, didn't vote in that challenge though. The colours combined with the sharpness hurt my eyes. I actively don't want to look at the photo. The composition is ok but drowned in all the (oversharpened to me) detail and the whole scene looks really artificial and again the colours are all off.
How I vote usually 5 is my standard vote, i.e an average photo. If it's technically well put together but lacking an emotional impact I'll give it a 6, maybe 7 if it's really well done and then the 8, 9 and 10 is for technical ability + emotional impact.
Going down 4 is for a photo that's ok in some areas but has something that pulls it below average for me and 3 is for photos I don't like. I hardly ever vote 1 or 2 |
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06/12/2007 02:57:27 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
a good majority of time, there isn't really much else besides the throw-away concept. It's a quick and dirty insight into the human psyche. Figure it out, and you'll win ribbons hand over fist as well.
All depends on what is really important to you. |
I disagree. There are very few images that hit the front page that are not well lit, well composed, technically excellent photos. The magic ticket is to marry technical and artistic excellence with an excellent concept or way of conveying the challenge title.
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06/12/2007 02:54:14 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Hawk5000:
Thanks for the feed back. It was a candid shot. And with the motion and the girl turning her head I did not get good detail. Could not do much about her expression, candid shot of a stranger. I only spent about 45min processing this shot. |
No problem hawk. Honestly, I'm kinda glad you took it as an explanation rather than a personal hack. I've been bitten before by people who wanted an explanation but took it the wrong way. :)
It's a really tough decision when choosing a pic to submit to a free study. Putting time into the processing or shooting can make us more attached to a photo than it's really worth in the 'big picture'.
Emotional impact is very important for an pic though and is often much more important than the processing or technical aspects. Look at JJBeguin's recent 3rd place (since DQ'd on a technicality). even if he had not nailed the technicals, he still would have scored very well because of the emotional impact.
On a secondary note, 45 minutes seems a long time to edit a pic. I don't usually spend that much time on most images myself. Do you use actions? I found that my editing time went from an average of 20 minutes per pic to around 2-5 minutes per pic when I started building some actions. |
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06/11/2007 04:47:53 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by DefyTime:
I question why so many post 5s...a 5 is for a shot that is middle of the road and this is not. Same question I ask every challenge...to myself of course. Some people would rather see water droplets than real life. |
Same kind of mentality that causes people like  scalvert to continually score so high. DPC is all about scoring things that people don't usually see every day higher than something else. Scalvert's ideas are clever and inventive, and human nature is such that we wish we could be so much, so OOOO.. 10 ;)
Animals in a zoo taken so they don't look like they're in a zoo. OOO..
etc. etc. etc. It's not to say there doesn't have to be a large amount of technical skill involved, but a good majority of time, there isn't really much else besides the throw-away concept. It's a quick and dirty insight into the human psyche. Figure it out, and you'll win ribbons hand over fist as well.
All depends on what is really important to you. |
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06/11/2007 04:40:29 PM · #8 |
| I question why so many post 5s...a 5 is for a shot that is middle of the road and this is not. Same question I ask every challenge...to myself of course. Some people would rather see water droplets than real life. |
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06/11/2007 04:23:06 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by justamistere:
Is there a minimum age requirement for voters?
If not then that would explain trolls and imature voting/comments. |
No it doesn't. I've found, especially, on this site, age does NOT equal maturity. |
How true is that.. in fact, the opposite is almost true in a lot of cases.
Though.. not all ;) |
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06/11/2007 04:21:27 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by justamistere:
Is there a minimum age requirement for voters?
If not then that would explain trolls and imature voting/comments. |
No it doesn't. I've found, especially, on this site, age does NOT equal maturity. |
I can vouch for that, I am heading for my second childhood, so I guess I am a senile delinquent!! |
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06/11/2007 01:37:52 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by justamistere:
Is there a minimum age requirement for voters?
If not then that would explain trolls and imature voting/comments. |
No it doesn't. I've found, especially, on this site, age does NOT equal maturity. |
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06/11/2007 12:40:56 PM · #12 |
Who's the turd who give that shot a 9?
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06/11/2007 12:38:43 PM · #13 |
i have heard many immature and stupid comments on the forums and in voting from people over 40... What age limit would you like? 75?
Originally posted by justamistere:
Is there a minimum age requirement for voters?
If not then that would explain trolls and imature voting/comments. |
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06/11/2007 12:36:26 PM · #14 |
Is there a minimum age requirement for voters?
If not then that would explain trolls and imature voting/comments. |
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06/11/2007 11:57:48 AM · #15 |
| I actually gave you a 7, but having studied the photo in rather more depth (and on a different monitor, different day, and with cup of tea, not a glass of wine etc) I would probably give you a 5, maybe a 6. Reasons, too highly saturated for my taste, skin tones don't seem natural, but also to do with the child's legs. The photo has an almost optical illusion effect, as though her legs are all tangled up, and every time I look at the photo my eyes are drawn to it - makes for uncomfortable viewing! |
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06/11/2007 11:41:41 AM · #16 |
Hi,
I like the shot but there are reasons for criticism. The photo is quite heavily processed (HDR I presume). There is haloing in the sky. Colours in the subject’s skin and detail in the road and some shutters are blown. The contrast is a little unnatural seeming. These could justify 4 votes for someone who is a low-ish scorer.
Also bear in mind that people vote quickly, especially in big compos. People (like me) tend to go through a challenge in waves. I sometimes go through some images too quickly and forget to go back and correct the score later to one that is more proportionate to my overall voting pattern. I figure that my mistakes are statistically insignificant – as indeed they are.
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06/11/2007 11:28:32 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
To be honest hawk, I don't like the pic much and probably would have given it a 4. not a 3, but very likely a 4 or a 5.
Why? Sharpness sucks, most notably in the PERSON in your picture. Yeah, your bike is sharp, but look at her face. There's something very unnatural about the texture in the brick wall. The pic is very strongly processed, but doesn't appear to have a point. The title indicates something to do with school being out, but the pic itself is rather dull. i don't hate the distortion, it accentuates the curves in the bike
And really, I like bikes, including cruisers like that... and cobblestone roads and brick buildings. What really kills the image for me though is the girl. I look at her face and I get nothing. Zero impact. She's not happy, sad, or anything. Just a girl riding a bike.
For me, this puts the pic into the category of a snapshot that's been worked really hard for little return.
Please note that I do vote a fair bit harder on free study images... the free topic makes me feel that the freedom should be used to put something extra out there.
not to say that I am any better than you, just that's what I would have thought during voting that would have made that pic ring to the tune of a 4 for me. |
Thanks for the feed back. It was a candid shot. And with the motion and the girl turning her head I did not get good detail. Could not do much about her expression, candid shot of a stranger. I only spent about 45min processing this shot.
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06/11/2007 11:26:30 AM · #18 |
This one got 9 scores of 4 also:
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06/11/2007 11:22:51 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Hawk5000:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm curious why noone gave you a 1-3. Not anything against you but some voters here are a-holes, and they seem to have missed you. |
I am sure they will fined me on my next entry. |
Not as long as I keep entering ;-)
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06/11/2007 11:21:31 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm curious why noone gave you a 1-3. Not anything against you but some voters here are a-holes, and they seem to have missed you. |
I am sure they will fined me on my next entry.
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06/09/2007 10:51:17 AM · #21 |
To be honest hawk, I don't like the pic much and probably would have given it a 4. not a 3, but very likely a 4 or a 5.
Why? Sharpness sucks, most notably in the PERSON in your picture. Yeah, your bike is sharp, but look at her face. There's something very unnatural about the texture in the brick wall. The pic is very strongly processed, but doesn't appear to have a point. The title indicates something to do with school being out, but the pic itself is rather dull. i don't hate the distortion, it accentuates the curves in the bike
And really, I like bikes, including cruisers like that... and cobblestone roads and brick buildings. What really kills the image for me though is the girl. I look at her face and I get nothing. Zero impact. She's not happy, sad, or anything. Just a girl riding a bike.
For me, this puts the pic into the category of a snapshot that's been worked really hard for little return.
Please note that I do vote a fair bit harder on free study images... the free topic makes me feel that the freedom should be used to put something extra out there.
not to say that I am any better than you, just that's what I would have thought during voting that would have made that pic ring to the tune of a 4 for me. |
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06/09/2007 10:34:46 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Well he said 4 not 4.6. :P |
Haha! |
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06/09/2007 03:00:49 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by yanko:
One of the rare low voters on this site who actually has a portfolio worth a damn. He also leaves lots of comments and if memory serves me correct also doesn't go the baggie route either when leaving them. |
I totally agree. He has some awesome stuff indeed. However, it doesn't really match the, "it would have to be pretty messy, out of focus (unintentionally) and have the worlds poorest composition to get a 4 score like that from me." comment does it? Plus, I posted a bit tongue in cheek. |
Well he said 4 not 4.6. :P |
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06/09/2007 01:05:21 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by yanko:
One of the rare low voters on this site who actually has a portfolio worth a damn. He also leaves lots of comments and if memory serves me correct also doesn't go the baggie route either when leaving them. |
I totally agree. He has some awesome stuff indeed. However, it doesn't really match the, "it would have to be pretty messy, out of focus (unintentionally) and have the worlds poorest composition to get a 4 score like that from me." comment does it? Plus, I posted a bit tongue in cheek. |
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06/09/2007 12:35:48 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by jblaylockrayner:
You think 4 is bad!
I got 2 people voting 2 on this image and 1 gave it a 4.
Not saying they shouldn't but they are out there - They are easy to spot. They have no eyes......
I understand that some images must be given scores that feel appropriate - I just know how I do my scoring and it would have to be pretty messy, out of focus (unintentionally) and have the worlds poorest composition to get a 4 score like that from me.
Oh well. Always makes the point watching very interesting during the challenge! |
Avg Vote Cast: 4.6079 |
One of the rare low voters on this site who actually has a portfolio worth a damn. He also leaves lots of comments and if memory serves me correct also doesn't go the baggie route either when leaving them.
Message edited by author 2007-06-09 00:36:12. |
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