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05/05/2007 11:51:00 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
I've an old Pentax Spotmatic and a Pentax Spotmatic II (light meter in viewfinder) with some great glass for them. I know I'll get blasted for this, but IMO there are certain times when fim, flim...film (isn't that the stuff?) still outshines digital. :P And the darkroom experience itself is so fun!
I DO love my digital camera though, as the cost for "processing" is much better. I KNOW when my photos will turn out (sort-of), or at least can preview them, rather than shooting and hoping only to see inferior results after the film has been developed and the opportunity gone. When you have your film developed now, you can request a digital disk for your own editing. :) Enjoy your camera! |
I too enjoy(ed) the Pentax cameras. I have the K1000, the KX, and the MX for 35mm and the LX for medium format (although it is waiting for my brother to get the money to buy it from me). They are great cameras and durable as all get out...but your two...made while Asahi-Pentax was still in existence... could stop a mMack truck and still deliver a wonderful photo.
And... you won't hear any disparaging remarks from me about the film cameras. Digital is cool... and I am trying to learn as fast as I can, but film is still the best medium in most cases. Clearer, more definition, and much more correctable for a variety of things. Something to do with the fact that Digital uses Pixels to assimilate a picture... so the picture you are working with is made up of a gazillion or more little dots. Where with film, with the right film, you get a form of "cloaking" the picture. The film is made up of a bunch (not as many as a gazillion) of little bits of stuff instead.
Okay...somehow, even I don't know what I meant by that. Sorry!
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05/05/2007 09:04:29 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Rebecca:
After trying both the Ilford mentioned and Kodak Tri-X, I vastly prefer the Tri-X. |
I love the grain from Tri-X. I always liked using Kodak T-Max film also.
If you don't have access to a custom lab or a darkroom, but want to shoot B&W, you can always use the Kodak BW400CN, which can be developed at any color lab. |
I just picked up a contact sheet from the lab of a roll of TX400 pushed to 1600.
I really like the look of timelessness it imparts on some of the shots - well at least through the loupe.
Shot on a Bessa Rangefinder.
I also recently shot a roll of Ilford 3200 and was surprised at how much sharpness it maintained with relatively small nice grain for the speed.
There is a roll of HP5 loaded and am interested to see how it looks since reading good things about it.
There is definately a romantic feeling with loading up a roll, hearing the soft click, manually advancing the next frame while hoping that you got the shot knowing you will just have to wait to find out.
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05/05/2007 08:51:24 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Film is fun. B&W has a look you can't quite get with digital converted to grayscale, |
That's because there is no true greyscale B&W paper :-) Alien Skins Exposure gets darn close to B&W looks. |
There are printer systems that use a variety of gray inks to get better results printing digital B&W prints |
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05/05/2007 06:23:24 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Film is fun. B&W has a look you can't quite get with digital converted to grayscale, |
That's because there is no true greyscale B&W paper :-) Alien Skins Exposure gets darn close to B&W looks.
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05/05/2007 05:18:33 PM · #5 |
Film is fun. B&W has a look you can't quite get with digital converted to grayscale, and it's fun to process it yourself.
You can get the stuff to develop B&W for like $50-100, but to make prints you need an enlarger and other stuff. Color is a lot more complicated. |
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05/05/2007 03:50:02 PM · #6 |
I have one of these, with a vertical grip - it looks mean with that on! It also has 'eye control focus', once calibrated you just look at what you want to take and it will focus automatically, however I found it better to use the autofocus on the lens.
Excellent camera, good weight which I like. My Sigma 28mm F1.8 performs much better on this than on my 300D.
Canon EOS 5
I would just use colour, when its developed have them put on cd and then convert to b&w on your pc. B&W processing can be a bit on the expensive side. I was lucky that my son's girlfriend worked at a hight strett photo lab so I would get my film developed, printed and put on cd. Sad to say they have now split up! Doh!
Mike
Message edited by author 2007-05-05 16:08:34. |
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05/05/2007 12:50:13 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
After trying both the Ilford mentioned and Kodak Tri-X, I vastly prefer the Tri-X. |
I love the grain from Tri-X. I always liked using Kodak T-Max film also.
If you don't have access to a custom lab or a darkroom, but want to shoot B&W, you can always use the Kodak BW400CN, which can be developed at any color lab.
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05/05/2007 12:41:58 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
I've an old Pentax Spotmatic and a Pentax Spotmatic II (light meter in viewfinder) with some great glass for them. I know I'll get blasted for this, but IMO there are certain times when fim, flim...film (isn't that the stuff?) still outshines digital. :P And the darkroom experience itself is so fun!
I DO love my digital camera though, as the cost for "processing" is much better. I KNOW when my photos will turn out (sort-of), or at least can preview them, rather than shooting and hoping only to see inferior results after the film has been developed and the opportunity gone. When you have your film developed now, you can request a digital disk for your own editing. :) Enjoy your camera! |
I still have my Spotmatic I bought used nearly 30 yrs ago - my very first camera. If has film loading problems but that battery still works! |
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05/05/2007 12:33:31 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by photodude:
As an Elan owner, I will tell you that one thing you will enjoy is the eye controlled focus. I will never understand why Canon abandoned that technology |
I got my Elan IIe specifically to have the eye-controlled focus. Maybe mine is flawed/old/etc., but I wasn't really that impressed with it. It's kind of cool, but I find that it doesn't often work just right, and needs recalibration fairly often.
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05/05/2007 12:30:16 PM · #10 |
| I have a Mamiya 645 Pro, had about two months, and find the reults amazing. I take the film to a local lab just for development then scan them with an Epson V700. There is something to say about the look of medium format photos shot on film. My Nikon D80 has been getting alot of rest lately. |
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05/05/2007 12:29:01 PM · #11 |
After trying both the Ilford mentioned and Kodak Tri-X, I vastly prefer the Tri-X.
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05/05/2007 12:26:25 PM · #12 |
| As an Elan owner, I will tell you that one thing you will enjoy is the eye controlled focus. I will never understand why Canon abandoned that technology |
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05/05/2007 12:24:20 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
Can someone guide me as to film. I don't want to buy expensive film until I get the hang of how to use the camera. Plus I may screw up loading the first few :).
I think I want to go with ISO 400. Just need some links, brand names for both black n white and color.
Thanks! |
I have a Canon Elan IIe that I use in my photography class here at university. We only shoot black and white, and we use Ilford HP5+, which is an ISO 400 B&W film. It's not too expensive from B&H, either, and I've had really good results with it.
As for color film, I've got no real experience, but I heard that the old Fuji Velvia film was being re-introducted, and it always had amazing color, although I'm not sure it comes in 400 speed. |
The new Velvia is only ISO 100. I've also used Ilford HP5 Plus and would recommend it for black & white. A basic print film is Fuji Superia 400. For slide you can use Fuji Sensia 400 or Fuji Provia 400. Provia is a prefessional film and more expensive than Sensia. Personally I would shoot either Ilford HP5 Plus or Fuji Velvia 50, the colours in Velvia are really awesome, it's a great for landscape. |
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05/05/2007 12:15:29 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
Can someone guide me as to film. I don't want to buy expensive film until I get the hang of how to use the camera. Plus I may screw up loading the first few :).
I think I want to go with ISO 400. Just need some links, brand names for both black n white and color.
Thanks! |
I have a Canon Elan IIe that I use in my photography class here at university. We only shoot black and white, and we use Ilford HP5+, which is an ISO 400 B&W film. It's not too expensive from B&H, either, and I've had really good results with it.
As for color film, I've got no real experience, but I heard that the old Fuji Velvia film was being re-introducted, and it always had amazing color, although I'm not sure it comes in 400 speed.
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05/05/2007 10:50:25 AM · #15 |
I'm in love with my holga
some call me a "holga whore"
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05/05/2007 10:18:07 AM · #16 |
Yes, I'm still useing Film.
Using the Zenza Bronica S2, which is a kick-ass machine :D
Only negative thing is the cost of developing the films..
gladly I can scan them myself, so that saves me a lot of money and it's pretty fun to do aswell :) |
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05/05/2007 10:01:24 AM · #17 |
Can someone guide me as to film. I don't want to buy expensive film until I get the hang of how to use the camera. Plus I may screw up loading the first few :).
I think I want to go with ISO 400. Just need some links, brand names for both black n white and color.
Thanks! |
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05/04/2007 09:19:21 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by option:
Hot damn... are you looking to move to the 645D when its released? |
Only if the price is right and the Kodak 31mpixel performs well enough.
If its too expensive or too noisy then I'll stick to the DSLR and play with film for giggles.
bazz. |
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05/04/2007 08:04:24 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
Anyone still shoot film here? |
Recently bought a Pentax 645 kit and a few nice primes for it.
Playing with some Astia100 in the studio at the moment but looking forward to trying some Velvia and Provia for landscapes/seascapes as well.
bazz. |
Hot damn... are you looking to move to the 645D when its released?
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05/04/2007 08:01:11 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
Anyone still shoot film here? |
Recently bought a Pentax 645 kit and a few nice primes for it.
Playing with some Astia100 in the studio at the moment but looking forward to trying some Velvia and Provia for landscapes/seascapes as well.
bazz.
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05/04/2007 06:58:01 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
I've an old Pentax Spotmatic and a Pentax Spotmatic II (light meter in viewfinder) with some great glass for them. I know I'll get blasted for this, but IMO there are certain times when fim, flim...film (isn't that the stuff?) still outshines digital. :P And the darkroom experience itself is so fun!
I DO love my digital camera though, as the cost for "processing" is much better. I KNOW when my photos will turn out (sort-of), or at least can preview them, rather than shooting and hoping only to see inferior results after the film has been developed and the opportunity gone. When you have your film developed now, you can request a digital disk for your own editing. :) Enjoy your camera! |
Most places people take their film proved 1700x whatever on a cd and i do believe kodak picture cd's are worse (smaller sized not sure havent done one in 5 years).
Shop around not sure who does what better then the other but sometimes i feel like id rather have the negatives rescanned. Also depends on what ur doing. Most provide sizes good enough for 4x6 and 5x7 but i feel pushing 8x10 or past on what their CD provides sint good enough.
Besides if you scan them or have someone scan them you can get them in TIFF's instead of compressed jpegs... another debate. |
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05/04/2007 06:50:50 PM · #22 |
I've an old Pentax Spotmatic and a Pentax Spotmatic II (light meter in viewfinder) with some great glass for them. I know I'll get blasted for this, but IMO there are certain times when fim, flim...film (isn't that the stuff?) still outshines digital. :P And the darkroom experience itself is so fun!
I DO love my digital camera though, as the cost for "processing" is much better. I KNOW when my photos will turn out (sort-of), or at least can preview them, rather than shooting and hoping only to see inferior results after the film has been developed and the opportunity gone. When you have your film developed now, you can request a digital disk for your own editing. :) Enjoy your camera!
Message edited by author 2007-05-04 18:52:30. |
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05/04/2007 06:49:33 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
Yeah, but look how cool that background is. I like that detail. |
Thats call decent DOF, somethign that comes easy with a 50mm 1.8 not to mention having a full 35mm frame camera.
It would have been nicer to not had a cruddy parking lot. But one of the SC cleaned it up in a recrop that discluded the red car in the back. Not sure where the cleaned up image is id have to find it.
But yeah that was shot wide open aperture the car is in focus and everything else isnt. I liked it. |
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05/04/2007 06:47:39 PM · #24 |
| Yeah, but look how cool that background is. I like that detail. |
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05/04/2007 06:40:26 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
I have never been in a darkroom or had access to one but I wonder if that is why the results I got with my older film cameras were less than satisfactory. I guess I am wondering what film speed to use at this point...Im not even sure I remember how to load film. LOL |
Well they make pretty good ISO 400 film these days where its not any grainier then ISO 200. Id play with that unless your doing non flash in door for some reason.
With an SLR like that and a good ISO 400 film, you should have access to high enough shutter speeds to be able to use 400 outdoors.
This is ISO 400 @ 1/125 sadly i metered it for ISO 200 so it came out a bit over exposed.
It was a full manual 73 Yashica SLR so i was using a meter on and off. Had i set it at the right speed say 1/250 or so it wouldnt have clipped highlights. |
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