My D200 is not behaving... - DPChallenge Forums

01/28/2007 10:43:06 AM · #1

Pretty much had it confirmed now by other D200 users that this would appear to be a firmware �bug� rather than a camera �fault�.

I�m assuming �bug� rather than �feature� because (a) it doesn�t make sense to work this way and (b) the manual seems to explicitly state that it should work in the way described.

I�ve put a call into Nikon to see if they can confirm this.
Wonder if a firmware upgrade could fix it? Probably not. Ho Hum

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

01/28/2007 06:00:45 AM · #2

Couple of ambiguous / misleading comments I made in my previous post..

> Expose Scene for ISO 500
By this I mean adjust Shutter/Aperture controls so that the Camera Meter sets ISO to 500.
Not �fix� the ISO to 500 by dialling in from the ISO button or Menu setting.

>I have had Manual/Auto Bracketing working on this camera a few months back
>So if this IS a fault it�s one that has developed rather than always been there.
May not be true :(
I dug out some old test shots and I was using P Mode with AutoISO not Manual.
P S and A mode all work ok for me � it�s only Manual that does not seem to behave.

justamistere

Nikon D3s

01/26/2007 09:49:11 AM · #3

Dah, I should've known better. Otay

xXxscarletxXx, I'll trade you my D200 and lens for your Fuji, is it a deal?

I will test my camera tonight.

01/26/2007 07:06:55 AM · #4

When all else fails�..
1) Default Factory Reset (Qual & +-)
2) Shooting Menu -> Menu Reset
3) Custom Setting -> Menu Reset
(anything else I could/should have reset?)

Set Exposure Mode -> M
Set Auto ISO -> ON
Expose scene for ISO 500
Dial in Bracketing�.. Back to square 1 : (ISO sets to 100)

Starting to look like a possible camera fault � oh how I wish it were just me!

In desperation a couple of red herrings to chew over�

I have had Manual/Auto Bracketing working on this camera a few months back
So if this IS a fault it�s one that has developed rather than always been there.
Since then I have upgraded the firmware to Ver 2.00
I have attached a Speedlight to the hot-shoe (though never used it)
I have purchased a new lens (tried my old lens too though � no difference)

I can�t see any of those things would have any effect but they�re my last grasping straws :)

Does this look like a visit to a Nikon repair centre? (pretty frustrating � it�s not like my camera is seriously disabled but now I can�t have the function I want it all the more!)

01/26/2007 05:43:26 AM · #5

xXxscarletxXx � Now, I might have expected that from one of the Canon Guys but I�d have thought better of a Fuji Chick! � shame on you.. He He :-)

fir3bird &

Megatherian � nope nothing on the hotshoe - the rail contacts look fine � I�ve cleaned out the hot shoe area (and even tried sticking bits of paper under the rails to prevent any contact).

If I fit a Speedlight turned OFF onto the hotshoe it behaves as if there isn�t one on there � if I switch it ON it overrides the Auto ISO (same as raising the built-in flash).
All of this must be exactly as would be expected � which is to say the hotshoe/flash seem to be functioning ok.
The only time the camera thinks there�s a flash unit active (when there isn�t) is when I initiate Auto Bracketing in Manual � Auto Bracketing in Aperture and Shutter priority works OK.

DjFenzl

01/25/2007 07:27:35 PM · #6

under the "rails" of the hotshot there are little metal strips that get pushed down when you put your flash on, are either of those stuck down?

01/25/2007 07:23:08 PM · #7

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:

You know why?
Cos its a Nikon!!
O.o *Runs away* lol

If I had a daughter she'd probably be just like you.
So I'll treat you the same. GO TO YOUR ROOM!

heheheheh

trouble maker.

;)

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

01/25/2007 07:21:40 PM · #8

Originally posted by Traff:

Got an idea� Does my camera think it�s got a flash attached?

With Braketing OFF and the internal flash raised it behaves exactly the same � overriding the Auto ISO and setting ISO to 100.
On page 167 the manual specifically indicates that ISO bracketing will only work if no flash is attached

I�ve got a feeling this might be it � so, what would cause it to think I was using Flash when I wasn�t?

You don't have anything mounted on the hotshoe do you?

xXxscarletxXx

Nikon D80

01/25/2007 06:27:01 PM · #9

You know why?
Cos its a Nikon!!
O.o *Runs away* lol

01/25/2007 06:25:38 PM · #10

Additional to the above�.
All my Custom Settings for Braketing/Flash (e1-e7) are at default settings
In particular e3: Built In Flash is set to TTL

01/25/2007 06:15:59 PM · #11

01/25/2007 06:00:25 PM · #12

Mines currently set at 1/30th � with a VR lens and a static subject I can handhold steady. But the min shutter setting only kicks in when using Aperture Priority Exposure.
For Manual (and Shutter Priority) it doesn�t apply.

DjFenzl

01/25/2007 05:47:43 PM · #13

Originally posted by fir3bird:

When you set your Auto ISO what minimum shutter setting do you have it set too? setting b1 at the bottom. I think mine is the default of 1/125.

For me it depends on what I'm shooting and what lens I'm using. Basically I set it to the lowest I can get away with handheld or if I'm shooting action the lowest speed I can get away with while still freezing the action.

01/25/2007 05:29:05 PM · #14

When you set your Auto ISO what minimum shutter setting do you have it set too? setting b1 at the bottom. I think mine is the default of 1/125.

01/25/2007 04:50:58 PM · #15

Ok � I pulled the following EXIF info from the LCD and, after Downloading, from the properties info (Windows XP). I have Photoshop CS � but no other software from where I could download more EXIF data (if any more is available).

I took 3 images for the test:
1 at normal camera settings and 2 with auto bracketing (0 and -1 EV)

Most EXIF data was identical for all shots including:

Creation software: Ver.2.00
Exposure Program: Manual
Focal Length: 27mm
F-Number: F/4
Exposure Time: 1/125 sec.

The Data that changed was as follows:
(in order � No Braketing : Braketing 0 : Bracketing -1)

Exposure Compensation: 0 : 0 : -1
ISO Speed: 800 : 100 : 100

The ISO speed of 800 was shown in red on the LCD (ISO Auto On?)
The ISO speeds of 100 (bracketed shots) were shown in white (ISO auto off?)

These results just seem to confirm that when I engage Auto Bracketing it overrides
Auto ISO and sets the ISO to 100.
One irregularity though � though exposure compensation for the 2nd bracketed shot is shown as -1, the Shutter, Aperture and ISO do not change � and a visual of the images show that the 2nd bracketed exposure is the same as the 1st bracketed exposure.

Thanks for your continued patience :)

01/25/2007 04:19:22 PM · #16

Originally posted by ralph:

Originally posted by jaysonmc:

Not you Ralph, I believe your data is fine. I meant the original poster, so we can get an idea what his camera is doing.

i wish there was a way to dump out all the settings to a file
including custom modes & etc ...

that would be very useful

And also upload. That way when experimenting like this we'd all start on the same playing field. Good idea.

ralph

Nikon Z9

01/25/2007 04:08:56 PM · #17

Originally posted by jaysonmc:

Not you Ralph, I believe your data is fine. I meant the original poster, so we can get an idea what his camera is doing.

i wish there was a way to dump out all the settings to a file
including custom modes & etc ...

that would be very useful

01/25/2007 04:05:38 PM · #18

Originally posted by ralph:

haven't dnloaded them but the test shots from the LCD show ISO250 (in RED) as well as well EV -1 for the Bkt shots
but that is the only change in the data ..

interesting thing to try .. may have to think of a application ..

I usually don't use the auto anything. But.... if we get anymore snow this year that would be kinda neat to try. Maybe set it for .7 stop and do 3, one lower, one higher, to get different takes on snow exposures. Might be best with three frames higher. Thanks to this thread I learned a couple of things today!

01/25/2007 04:05:16 PM · #19

Thanks for the responses � seems everyone else�s D200 is playing fair so it�s gotta be down to me�

Here�s the reasoning behind my Manual / Auto ISO set-up (which when I first realised the combo was possible I thought was ridiculous but having used it have now fallen in love with it � course it depends on what you shoot)

I like to shoot in Manual so I keep independent control over Shutter and Aperture settings but at the same time setting Auto ISO �On� means the camera behaves in Auto mode, adjusting the ISO (only) to calculate the exposure.
I feel I get the best of both worlds that way � manual control with auto convenience - plus I can control ISO (if I want) by modifying either the shutter or aperture setting without having to hold down 2 buttons at once to adjust ISO independently.

I have Exposure Control (b3: shutter/aperture/bracketing) set to 1 stop to give me a fast response but I have ISO Sensitivity (b2) set to 1/3 stop � so the camera auto fine-tunes the exposure for me without any effort on my part.

I want the bracketing to adjust the ISO so as not to modify my �creative� (aperture/shutter) settings. And in any case as both Shutter and Aperture are set by the user ISO is the only variable available to the camera.

I have it set to Continuous High (rather than Continuous Low), just because I can.
Is there an advantage to Continuous Low? In this case I only want 2 shots but I figure I might as well have them as close together as possible.

Which still leaves me with the problem of why my camera won�t play ball!

PS - I'll check through my EXIF as just suggested - Thanks....

jaysonmc

Nikon MF 105mm f/2.5 AIS

01/25/2007 04:01:43 PM · #20

Originally posted by ralph:

Not you Ralph, I believe your data is fine. I meant the original poster, so we can get an idea what his camera is doing.

ralph

Nikon Z9

01/25/2007 03:58:44 PM · #21

jaysonmc

Nikon MF 105mm f/2.5 AIS

01/25/2007 03:53:34 PM · #22

I guess it is best to see the EXIF data from both shots to compare if there is anything different. Wish I had my camera on me at the moment.

ralph

Nikon Z9

01/25/2007 03:52:42 PM · #23

Originally posted by jaysonmc:

Originally posted by ralph:

Originally posted by jaysonmc:
The problem is have both AutoISO and Manual Program mode set with Bracketing. I can go into more detail if you need... But it is easier just to take of AutoISO, it really doesn't make sense the configuration you have.

Hope that helps.

this isn't the issue .. it works ..

Did you have your initial ISO set to 500 per the original poster?

yes

01/25/2007 03:46:05 PM · #24

Thanks guys - I didn't expect such a fast response
I just set out a reply to Cryan and when I came to post it discovered all these extra posts - much appreciated...
I'll get back properly once I've taken it all in - just wanted to say thanks!

Message edited by author 2007-01-25 15:46:28.