A lot of people are not gonna like my...

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

01/26/2007 08:30:35 PM · #1

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by TooCool:
Well, here we go again...

Aww, bummer. You haven't changed your mind yet?

He needs a mind transplant. Anybody have a hammer? :P

Oh, I don't know. I think he's fine as he is. I don't agree with his views, but it's good to have people around with different views, and willing and open enough to share those views.

No new mind for him.

Oh I agree. The fact that he's personable and doesn't take himself too seriously is all the more welcomed. Although I'd still like to use the hammer on something.

fotomann_forever

01/26/2007 07:27:49 PM · #2

Yeah, TC is alright, even if he's wrong :-)

Qart

Canon EOS-30D

Fujifilm XF 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 R LM OIS

01/26/2007 07:07:41 PM · #3

I'm with Ursula on this one as well. No matter how much it stings, an opposing stance usually has value.
Too Cool, I get where you're coming from and respect your views. You've laid out your arguments very thoughtfully and I really do believe that your heart's in the right place here and you do mean well for the sake of the site. There is a however, however.
You'd stand with a sign to argue against a dump but you wouldn't attack the individuals who made use of said facilities. At least I don't think you would. Your beef isn't with the people who enter their images under the rules as THEY interpret them and who expect a fair shake within a community that they have learned to trust and expose themselves in. Your beef's with Langdon I think and maybe he should be the target in your crosshairs. Write letters, take out an ad but for f*** sakes leave the innocents out of it. You are a smart fella, smart enough to realize that you hurt feelings... no matter how defiant people may appear. This editing set's been out for what, 3 challenges now. I don't see this mass rush to create this new DPC world you're afraid will emerge if given the chance. The evidence is in I think but you still persist. Sounds more like spite than vigilance now. At least to me it does.
Regards

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

01/26/2007 06:27:53 PM · #4

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by TooCool:
Well, here we go again...

Aww, bummer. You haven't changed your mind yet?

He needs a mind transplant. Anybody have a hammer? :P

Oh, I don't know. I think he's fine as he is. I don't agree with his views, but it's good to have people around with different views, and willing and open enough to share those views.

No new mind for him.

timfythetoo

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

01/26/2007 06:14:44 PM · #5

I think I am safe from the anti expert editing comments this time around. Maybe he will dislike my picture solely on the basis of it sucking.

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

01/26/2007 06:11:45 PM · #6

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by TooCool:
Well, here we go again...

Aww, bummer. You haven't changed your mind yet?

He needs a mind transplant. Anybody have a hammer? :P

I only counted 10 in the current challenge that would make him explode - but the place is still going to be messy with all those guts & stuff.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

01/26/2007 06:10:38 PM · #7

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by TooCool:
Well, here we go again...

Aww, bummer. You haven't changed your mind yet?

He needs a mind transplant. Anybody have a hammer? :P

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

Fujifilm XF 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 R LM OIS

01/26/2007 06:01:34 PM · #8

Originally posted by TooCool:

Well, here we go again...

Aww, bummer. You haven't changed your mind yet?

Tamron AF 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di II for Canon

01/26/2007 05:54:43 PM · #9

Well, here we go again...

dsterner

Canon EOS-40D

01/05/2007 03:03:02 AM · #10

Originally posted by littlegett:

[quote=TooCool] You don't go to a pie eating contest and tell them they lost because they ate the pie? Why would you do that here?

You don't judge a pie eating contest based on the fact that you only like apple pies either....you need to broaden your scope of view. JMHO

littlegett

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

01/05/2007 02:54:54 AM · #11

Originally posted by TooCool:

I just had the balls to explain to people why they got a very low score from me!

One single word. "Overprocessed... "

Some balls you have there to not explain any farther, an image straight from the camera converted from raw to jpg could be overprocessed.

My opinion on the matter of voting on expert editing... If you know there is gonna be some heavily edited images and you don't like that... Take the door that allows you NOT to vote. Hell even just leave comments and skip voting all together.

Voting low because an image in an 'expert editing' challenge is against your taste is in very bad form. You don't go to a pie eating contest and tell them they lost because they ate the pie? Why would you do that here?

levyj413

Nikon D7100

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

01/05/2007 01:41:41 AM · #12

I'll go back to what I said: DPC's voted on whole will show all of us what will score well on average. I'm pleased with the top 3 in the current challenge, and look forward to what will come from the next one.

TooCool, keep on voting according to your interpretation. Everyone else, do the same.

And I'll keep trying to find that sweet spot of the right amount of original photo vs. manipulation so that you'll all pile ribbons into my profile. ;)

raish

Olympus C-2500L

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

01/04/2007 03:20:20 PM · #13

I wonder which is more 'photographic'

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

01/04/2007 12:14:28 PM · #14

I had a hard time with some of the images in the Harsh Environment challenge. There were one or two that really stopped me while voting. They were beautiful images. Just lovely. Yet they didn't look anything like a photograph, even though I must assume they are derived from a photo.

I left a fairly long comment to that effect and scored it high, but I'm still conflicted.

There were a lot of others with heavy handed or obvious editing that I tend to score much lower - I think if you are going to use the full range of what expert editing allows, you'd better be prepared to use it well.

But a couple of images, with seemingly a lot of manipulation, but done in such a tasteful and sympathetic way, were quite difficult to vote upon.

undieyatch

Olympus E-10

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

01/04/2007 10:46:26 AM · #15

Originally posted by Expert Editing Rules (trial):

You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly.

TooCool...... regarding your concerns, I carried this over.
"Why?" you ask. Yes indeed, we asking the same question.
Is it really a rule?
It appears to be a guideline - for some who have no idea what photographic process means.
I say the site would be better served by including those kinds of superficial remarks, and editorial content into some kind of voting guideline category.
The rules, on this site are complicated enough.

From the thread - expert editing....why even require a photograph?

Originally posted by TooCool:

Originally posted by undieyatch:
Terry.... an interesting and insightful summary. Except for your defense & explanation of a "keypoint" disgraceful addendum; non-rule inserted into the rules. An unfortunate paternal admonition; friendly reminder; distracting & subjective voting guideline; intrusive - creative & artistic limiter; unnecessary editorial; spirit of the site; or what ever it is?
Voting nor submissions should ever be determined by this kind of coercion.

Why not? This is after all a photography site... Even if they didn't include that clause twice, the spirit of the rules and the spirit of the site would dictate that same! I will always, as I did in the Harsh Environment Challenge vote and comment with that clause firmly embedded!

01/03/2007 04:57:01 PM · #16

Originally posted by rayz1:

As long as the rules are complied with there should not be an issue, and if you dont like the rules of a particular challenge, dont enter, but dont vote either if you are not prepared to be fair

And once again to reiterate, the experimental rules set says:

keep your entry photographic in nature. Though violating this guideline is not grounds for disqualification, voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly.

I was following the rules as a voter. I just had the balls to explain to people why they got a very low score from me!

Message edited by author 2007-01-03 16:57:33.

jerowe

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

01/03/2007 10:46:52 AM · #17

gotcha. and like i said, i did not vote down for anything along those lines. everyone's opinions are different, and there was a great range of artistic differences in this challenge. i greatly enjoyed voting in it. it was definitely something different, and i think it has its place here at DPC.

i don't think the site is going to a digital art, but bringing in those that are fond of it, and allowing them to enter in other types of challenges as well.

keeping everyone happy, i guess you could say.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

01/03/2007 10:37:39 AM · #18

Originally posted by jerowe:

photographic in nature means something that through ordinary means could possibly be taken, and then enhanced through the use of processing software, such as photoshop. am i wrong?

You're only wrong if you think that's the only thing it means.

jerowe

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

01/03/2007 10:35:27 AM · #19

please don't get me wrong by this comment, it's just my opinion, but

photographic in nature means something that through ordinary means could possibly be taken, and then enhanced through the use of processing software, such as photoshop. am i wrong?

i'm not saying i agree or disagree with TooCool, i'm just saying that his opinions were expressed through his voting and his commenting. noone likes the ones that will vote down, of course, because that's not what you want...but i will tell you that i have been voted down numerous times (with comments left) for people nitpicking the challenge rules, and a few of them are in here mad at TooCool for this.

once again, i'm not trying to keep a fight going, i'm just saying that this is one man's opinion, and everyone is getting mad because of that. it's one vote, out of the other couple hundred votes. but it is a vote. something a lot more people should do.

just my 2cents. personally, i thought a lot of the images were not photographic in nature, but i didn't vote them down because of it. although, by the ruleset, i think i could have

happy new years :D

rayz1

Nikon D300

Nikon NIKKOR AF-S DX VR 55-200 f4-5.6 G IF-ED

01/03/2007 01:53:12 AM · #20

As a rule, I find that most of the comments received are usually helpful, and as such there is no reason to object.Everyone has an opinion and that is fine, but to mark down peoples entries simply because you dont like the rules of the challenge is a bit unreasonable.
As long as the rules are complied with there should not be an issue, and if you dont like the rules of a particular challenge, dont enter, but dont vote either if you are not prepared to be fair

levyj413

Nikon D7100

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

01/03/2007 01:20:30 AM · #21

Originally posted by karmabreeze:

For what it's worth, that's definitely in my personal definition of "photographic in nature."

Rebecca

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

01/03/2007 12:08:19 AM · #22

Hmm... I'm not sure I've got my head completely around the Expert rules, but the removal of a major element puts it in that category - if it were to be entered in a challenge. And yet I would still consider this more of a photograph than "digital art". Other than a lot of cloning at the bottom, everything I did was legal in Advanced.

It doesn't have to be a composite or look like something from another planet, but it's a catch-22. If your editing is too good, you'll be accused of not taking advantages of the ruleset (which is silly, by the way, since it's not a requirement that one MUST exploit the rules to the fullest degree). If you make something more in the realm of fantasy, you'll be accused to taking it too far on a site that is accustomed to seeing (mostly) straight-up photos. Drama drama drama...

01/02/2007 11:56:14 PM · #23

God, you would not believe a couple of the PM's I've recieved... Small minded, self centered, liberal persons are SOOOO entertaining! Thank you for the laughs!

01/02/2007 05:18:09 PM · #24

Originally posted by Melethia:

It is a different voting experience. I went with whether or not I liked the presentation. Though some are well beyond what I'd consider "photographic", that doesn't mean I'd vote them low because of that.

The rule set says that we are supposed to!