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03/23/2009 04:20:24 PM · #1 |
Ok, I was wondering how abstract is abstract as well.
According to wikipedia
Abstraction indicates a departure from reality in depiction of imagery in art. This departure from accurate representation can be only slight, or it can be partial, or it can be complete. Abstraction exists along a continuum. Even art that aims for verisimilitude of the highest degree can be said to be abstract, at least theoretically, since perfect representation is likely to be exceedingly elusive.
I'm going to vote the slightly abstract the same way I vote the totally abstract. nshapiro's stuff is really cool--and many of them are recognizable. I actually like the recognizable better than the completely abstract. |
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03/22/2009 02:21:02 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Abstract challenges on DPC are like loading a bear trap full of lollipops and setting it up in the middle of a playground. With few exceptions, if the subject is recognizable you are going to get creamed. If the subject is not recognizable, you are going to get creamed. |
Excellent! |
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03/22/2009 01:19:26 PM · #3 |
| You may be right. In fact, I'm sure a few folks will get some ideas for Abstract Motion after rollover tonight. |
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03/22/2009 01:17:05 PM · #4 |
I'm a little worried that we're going to see a lot of "This belongs in Abstract Motion" in the 1-second challenge, and a lot of "This should have been in 1-second" in the Abstract Motion challenge, and both challenges will suffer as a result of it.
It's unfortunate that they had to come up so close together, IMO, but DPCers will prevail like they usually do. I think I'll go more for Abstract Motion though, as I don't have a tripod right now, so 1-second for me would be Abstract Motion anyway. lol. |
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03/22/2009 12:46:32 PM · #5 |
OK, so I've read the two threads. If this plays out like the threads are implying, then this challenge is basically Blurry Mess 2.
eta: fixed link
Message edited by author 2009-03-22 12:48:22. |
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03/22/2009 12:00:42 PM · #6 |
Lydia, I agree the wording is awkward, but you are reading too much into it IMHO. Often the description in a challenge is minimalist, in order to leave the interpretation open.
FWIW, to me, this is trying to give users challenge to produce an abstract image using blur. Rather than one of the other methods of producing blur (like a lensbaby), it "challenges you" to use camera motion or object motion to produce the blur.
I have a number of popular abstract motion blur images, but only one has done "well" on DPC scorewise (>6). I think  violinist123 said it best.
I have trepidations about entering myself, given the subject and past voting on my abstracts on DPC, but I'm happy the challenge is here, because I've already produced a whole bunch of new abstract motion blur shots I love, and I haven't been shooting much of anything in the last few months!
Message edited by author 2009-03-22 12:02:05. |
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03/22/2009 11:34:21 AM · #7 |
I'm pondering this title and description again... after shooting and entering days ago.
The title is "Abstract Motion". Meaning Motion that's abstract. It should be an 'regular' image, not an abstract image, showing motion in an abstract way.
The title doesn't say (which I thought it did) "Motion Abstract". This would mean an abstract image caused by motion. It seems that everyone else is swapping the words, too.
The description isn't helping the abstract image case either since it reads: Create a photo that uses abstract motion by either by moving your camera during exposure or by photographing a moving object.
It does NOT say, "Create an abstract photo that uses motion by either..."
It says to create a [regular] photo that uses "abstract motion".
What IS abstract motion? Motion is "any physical movement or change in position or place". How can this be abstract? It either moves or it doesn't.
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03/19/2009 12:37:36 PM · #8 |
Well, and that means the object being recognizable or not doesn't mean anything?
It's probably hard to get a good outside shot with my camera for this challenge, at least with sunlight.
Guess i'll try anyway. |
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03/19/2009 12:23:43 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Abstract challenges on DPC are like loading a bear trap full of lollipops and setting it up in the middle of a playground. With few exceptions, if the subject is recognizable you are going to get creamed. If the subject is not recognizable, you are going to get creamed.
Good luck. |
Yes indeedy....good luck! |
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03/19/2009 11:26:47 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
Abstract challenges on DPC are like loading a bear trap full of lollipops and setting it up in the middle of a playground. With few exceptions, if the subject is recognizable you are going to get creamed. If the subject is not recognizable, you are going to get creamed.
Good luck. |
Indeed. Yet they're fun anyway. |
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03/19/2009 11:24:11 AM · #11 |
Abstract challenges on DPC are like loading a bear trap full of lollipops and setting it up in the middle of a playground. With few exceptions, if the subject is recognizable you are going to get creamed. If the subject is not recognizable, you are going to get creamed.
Good luck. |
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03/19/2009 10:57:30 AM · #12 |
My 10 cents worth:
A clearly recognizable subject, seen in a way such a subject is usually seen except with motion blur, is an example of motion blur, but NOT an abstract.
It doesn't mean it must be totally unidentifiable, but it needs at least something that makes you go "huh?" and take a second look if you really want to figure out what it actually is. |
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03/19/2009 09:27:40 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by alans_world:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by rinac:
Oh yes, they're great examples of abstract! |
Based on those examples, a defined subject (or even a piece of a subject) is not called for it seems. |
On the other side of the spectrum.
 strangeghost called it abstract, but is the subject too well defined for this challenge? |
That's the way I'm seeing it so far. |
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03/19/2009 09:04:27 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by rinac:
Oh yes, they're great examples of abstract! |
Based on those examples, a defined subject (or even a piece of a subject) is not called for it seems. |
On the other side of the spectrum.
strangeghost called it abstract, but is the subject too well defined for this challenge?
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03/19/2009 08:46:55 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Oh yes, they're great examples of abstract! |
Based on those examples, a defined subject (or even a piece of a subject) is not called for it seems. |
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03/18/2009 11:00:22 PM · #16 |
| Oh yes, they're great examples of abstract! |
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03/18/2009 10:51:09 PM · #17 |
WHOA! I thought I'd try and quote the OP to see if there was a problem with the thumbs...and voila, here they are. :-)
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03/18/2009 10:49:44 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
How abstract is abstract? :-) |
lol, it's going to head that way, isn't it?
I think I may sit this one out if it gets too silly. |
Actually, I was half serious. I know, a big surprise coming from me. :-)
Really - there is abstract motion where you're not really sure what the subject is, and then there's motion panning where the subject can be identified.
Trying to pin down an idea or two. Doesn't help that all of the original images in this thread don't show anymore. |
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03/18/2009 10:41:47 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
How abstract is abstract? :-) |
lol, it's going to head that way, isn't it?
I think I may sit this one out if it gets too silly. |
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03/18/2009 10:36:17 PM · #20 |
| How abstract is abstract? :-) |
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03/18/2009 02:40:42 PM · #21 |
This might have worked well, certainly better than the 5.2 it got in "Motion Panning II" (I hope)...
R.
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03/18/2009 11:37:52 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by k4ffy:
looks like Karen's suggestion got picked
now, what the hell is abstract motion?? |
It only took two years :D |
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03/18/2009 10:08:30 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by k4ffy:
looks like Karen's suggestion got picked
now, what the hell is abstract motion?? |
That would be all your 1s exposures that have gone wrong :) |
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03/18/2009 09:20:19 AM · #24 |
looks like Karen's suggestion got picked
now, what the hell is abstract motion??
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11/16/2006 07:03:22 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by kteach:
Great idea! I predict nshapiro to ribbon on this one! |
Yes, nshapiro has a lot in his portfolio....great for inspiration.
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