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05/06/2002 06:49:41 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by conceptgraphics:
here's my two cents. . .the flag is hanging wrong. that's why I gave it a low score. Stars always go in upper left. :(
You lowered someone's score because the wind is blowing the wrong directions?
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05/06/2002 06:00:24 PM · #2 |
| Achiral, I wanted to elaborate a little more on your picture and why I think it was a great idea. Around my area of the country the guys that use Skoal are just like the guys in your picture. They are flag wavers, basball cap wearers, and they could care less who they impress. The tobacco companies always show these model he men types that are pleasing to my eyes, not the guys that use the stuff. You targeted your audience well. I think I know what I'm talking about here. My husband, brother-in-law, and lots of our friends dip snuff. Shoot, I even tried it a time or two myself on a dare. |
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05/06/2002 05:07:56 PM · #3 |
shiizaam, i thought your totem pole kicked butt!
i bet that for upside down, there will be some tricksters that take a pic of something that looks the same upsidedown as rightside up and then get mad. anyone want to take a bet ? : )
achiral, i think the main thing that would help your pic or any pic is the lighting. w/o getting nitpicky about the positioning of the people and stuff, the one thing that makes it not be 'pro' or whatever, is the lighting by on-camera flash. that just screams 'say cheese!'. if you really wanna flesh these out and make them pop, try what i said above. in fact, if i get a chance, i might try your pic idea. i could see it as a poster that would appeal to the skoal baseball crowd.
Originally posted by Shiiizzzam:
I can see a flag with chewing tobacco. My first thought was the baseball caps, baseball pitcher, American, apple pie...chewing tobacco. ~shrug~ Fits to me. I like how the guy to the right has his cap on straight however, my only change would be the other guys finger and cap. It's not a bad photo. Like my totem pole last week, I heard 1/2 say it was great and DOP was killer and colors rocked and the other 1/2 was saying just the opposit. I even got one that just said... blah. One say...bad subject matter. I was like why doesn't a totem pole fit in the ground up ~shrug~ oh well, next week we'll forget the flag and totem pole and be on something else....something upside down :)
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05/06/2002 04:17:16 PM · #4 |
I can see a flag with chewing tobacco. My first thought was the baseball caps, baseball pitcher, American, apple pie...chewing tobacco. ~shrug~ Fits to me. I like how the guy to the right has his cap on straight however, my only change would be the other guys finger and cap. It's not a bad photo. Like my totem pole last week, I heard 1/2 say it was great and DOP was killer and colors rocked and the other 1/2 was saying just the opposit. I even got one that just said... blah. One say...bad subject matter. I was like why doesn't a totem pole fit in the ground up ~shrug~ oh well, next week we'll forget the flag and totem pole and be on something else....something upside down :)
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05/06/2002 02:53:31 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
im wondering if you saw my constructive lighting/flash suggestions.
Yes, thank you very much. You are cool too. |
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05/06/2002 02:52:16 PM · #6 |
| im wondering if you saw my constructive lighting/flash suggestions. |
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05/06/2002 02:50:14 PM · #7 |
Here is one of the recent comments I received
5/6/2002 (2:39:48 PM) - blatent americanism, and lack of diversity, and what is wrong with your lack of personal restraint in mouthing off in the forums about how you picture is doing. if i were you i would be happy you live in the US because we would have you in jail here for being a complete waste of resources.[
Quoting jmsetzler
You guys are just feeding this fire...
Burn baby, burn!
(I'm really not at all pissed at anyone, and hokie thanks for the honest comments.)
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/6/2002 2:51:36 PM. |
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05/06/2002 02:45:27 PM · #8 |
achiral....I owe you an apology.
When I read you comment about the finger thingy I had missed your comment earlier that said thanks for the light idea.
That was my bad.
I spent about a half hour photoshopping your photo to see if any of my comments about lighting were easy to do within the scope of the rules becasue I didn't want to make a suggestion that was impossible for you to have done. In my hope to have helped I lost track of the comments and missed your reply.
Now...after eating enough crow.
The lighting changes I would have like to have seen were not able to be done within the scope of the Challenge Rules regarding layers. This is sorta my only beef with the rules because using layers is at the heart of photo correcting minor issues like lighting and depth of field in digital photography.
Anyway, I'm not here to create bad feelings. Just to learn something.
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05/06/2002 02:33:15 PM · #9 |
You guys are just feeding this fire...
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05/06/2002 02:31:25 PM · #10 |
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05/06/2002 02:08:56 PM · #11 |
| well said, very well said |
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05/06/2002 02:07:27 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by sandip:
This forum and it's challenges should be a-political, and the pictures submitted for scrutiny should be judged on their technical merit and set-up skills and be taken ,as they are presented, as an example of the photographer's interpretation of the theme,not a subversive or subliminal motive!
... Lighten up, people!
I could not agree with you more. Let's keep our eyes on the ball here. It's about learning to take better picturers, period.
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05/06/2002 01:55:43 PM · #13 |
I really enjoyed the last challenge and the diversity of the entries. But. it makes me very disheartened that some choose to go beyond the concept of the forum to make pointed, derogatory, and hurtful remarks about content.
"....And Justice for All", which placed 14th, received nine 1's, and eleven 2's, along with some hurtful remarks, that had nothing to do with the picture's quality! 1's and 2's ?!?!? Come on, now. Look at that picture!
Some of the remarks were almost hateful ie:
lisae - 4/29/2002
This is a very well executed photo, but makes me uneasy because of the manipulative, propagandistic subject
matter. To me it says "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists"... ie. it embodies divisiveness and a
stance against peace. Maybe it is more pleasing to Americans than to the rest of us.
Daniel - 4/29/2002
I hate America.
Others were able to at least rate the merits of the photo, in spite of any feelings they may have had as to the subject.
cbonsall - 4/30/2002
Verging on cheesy patriotism but its a really nice pic so I'll let you off!!
And still others were kind enough to see the picture was built on the topic of the Challenge,"From the Ground Up"; for America (as the flag represents in the picture, I presume) has once again rebuilt , and resumed it's motion and activities, "from the ground up" after a devastating blow!
Speigner - 4/29/2002
Excellent composition and timing. A shot like this is hard to get, and you did a great job. Be prepared though,
people are going to slam this because of the subject matter, apparently many people confuse taking a
photograph with making a politcal statement. I'm giving high marks for it's quality.
This forum and it's challenges should be a-political, and the pictures submitted for scrutiny should be judged on their technical merit and set-up skills and be taken ,as they are presented, as an example of the photographer's interpretation of the theme,not a subversive or subliminal motive!
If subversive or subliminal messages were intended or effective, then I'd already be headed out to buy that bottle of Absolut and can of Skoal as per the current challenge!
Lighten up, people!
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05/06/2002 01:53:02 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by achiral:
The whole point of my post is that i'm bent about comments...i can berate others however i want, i just wish i knew who it was berating my photo for no reason. and why is it that when someone gets mad they are seen as a child? that is weird logic
You are correct..you can berate others as you want. You can do whatever you want. And other's can do likewise...ain't America great!
Getting mad or frustrated in itself is not childish..I get mad as much as anybody else.
Getting mad over a comments made on a photo that gets critiqued on a site for photos to get critiqued on and then ripping on folks who are here to offer any small help they can is childish...no matter how old you are cronologically.
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/6/2002 1:53:36 PM. |
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05/06/2002 01:46:47 PM · #15 |
i use an index card to bounce my on-camera flash at an angle so the foreground isnt blown and the shadows arent all straight back, which is that characteristic flat flashed look.
i also would get a couple of strong lamps and sidelight the guys and the also light the flag. then i'd say 'stand real still' and i'd shoot it all at a slowish shutter speed.
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05/06/2002 01:41:27 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Originally posted by achiral:
[i]true, and that isn't the guy's middle finger up...no detective work needed there
Well, be that as it may, it's distracting.
Don't get all bent on a thread YOU start in order to berate others on honest comments..then get snide when folks take time out their day to download your photo and see if there is anything they might do that is HONEST to help rather than blow you off as a kid.
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The whole point of my post is that i'm bent about comments...i can berate others however i want, i just wish i knew who it was berating my photo for no reason. and why is it that when someone gets mad they are seen as a child? that is weird logic |
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05/06/2002 01:26:55 PM · #17 |
"'Here's the challenge: sell a product! Your job is to photograph a product and have it appeal to your audience: the users of DPChallenge."
I didn't major in marketing so I'm not worried about what a real ad company would do. I'm just trying to convince you guys to buy the product. :) |
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05/06/2002 01:16:00 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by achiral:
true, and that isn't the guy's middle finger up...no detective work needed there
Well, be that as it may, it's distracting.
Don't get all bent on a thread YOU start in order to berate others on honest comments..then get snide when folks take time out their day to download your photo and see if there is anything they might do that is HONEST to help rather than blow you off as a kid.
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05/06/2002 01:09:32 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by kee:
>SNIP>>>>i say this knowing i will get flamed because i am revealing my photo, but c'mon, these are just some rediculously stupid comments. i could give good reasons why all of those are pointless and unneeded comments but i will save myself the trouble. i like my picture and that's all that matters. people need to just take a picture and rate it, and not leave comments like these.
My friend achiral;
We all have opinions.
The three examples you gave....Do you know what their vote was?
No.
Take five and think about this. These are people you don't know, they don't know you. This is not personal. It's a photo.
Let this roll off your back.
You will never please us all and you'll go mad trying!
:)
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true, and that isn't the guy's middle finger up...no detective work needed there |
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05/06/2002 01:07:38 PM · #20 |
>SNIP>>>>i say this knowing i will get flamed because i am revealing my photo, but c'mon, these are just some rediculously stupid comments. i could give good reasons why all of those are pointless and unneeded comments but i will save myself the trouble. i like my picture and that's all that matters. people need to just take a picture and rate it, and not leave comments like these.[/i]
My friend achiral;
We all have opinions.
The three examples you gave....Do you know what their vote was?
No.
Take five and think about this. These are people you don't know, they don't know you. This is not personal. It's a photo.
Let this roll off your back.
You will never please us all and you'll go mad trying!
:)
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05/06/2002 01:04:25 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by iban:
My point is what the hell does "GOD BLESS AMERICA" have to do with chewing tobacco? It's freaking rediculous that I should have to defend my comments like this so I don't get banned for having an opinion.
you're telling me you couldn't see a chewing tobacco company doing that? where do you live? unbelievable...
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05/06/2002 01:02:18 PM · #22 |
hokie thank you for your thoughtful comments...i knew about the lighting and took a few photos without flash that were too grainy.
concept, i had no idea about the flag rule, interesting though |
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05/06/2002 01:01:17 PM · #23 |
My point is what the hell does "GOD BLESS AMERICA" have to do with chewing tobacco? It's freaking rediculous that I should have to defend my comments like this so I don't get banned for having an opinion.
Originally posted by achiral:
I can't believe the stupidity of some of the people on this site, as shown by the comments they make. for example
5/6/2002 (9:48:20 AM) - Can't these guys smile or look a little happy?
5/6/2002 (8:23:09 AM) - A pinch gross. Nasty, dude.
5/6/2002 (7:47:48 AM) - can't put "god bless america" in the title of anything and expect a 10.
i say this knowing i will get flamed because i am revealing my photo, but c'mon, these are just some rediculously stupid comments. i could give good reasons why all of those are pointless and unneeded comments but i will save myself the trouble. i like my picture and that's all that matters. people need to just take a picture and rate it, and not leave comments like these.
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05/06/2002 12:51:47 PM · #24 |
Ooops, doggone double click.
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/6/2002 12:52:41 PM. |
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05/06/2002 12:51:45 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by conceptgraphics:
here's my two cents. . .the flag is hanging wrong. that's why I gave it a low score. Stars always go in upper left. :(
The flag is two sided and the wind was blowing. It wasn't hanging wrong it is just that from the perspective of the photo it is not what you normally see. |
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