Allow individual forum posts to be marked adult

09/02/2006 06:14:13 PM · #1

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

It has been suggested, but do you want whole threads moved to "Adult Content because someone posts a nude in the middle of the conversation?

No, good point. I was thinking if people wanted that kind of interaction/posting it could be initiated there...not a valid idea in hindsight.

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Self-policing works and so does the Report Post Button.

Kinda have to disagree with you here. If this was true we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place. Rules are already there but not being followed, and the 'Report Post' button can have substantial delays at times (no disrespect to SC, but you are human and volunteering at that).

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

A "filter" used for both text and graphics, gives us another tool and doesn't exclude those that want to forego adult content from being left out of entire threads.

Again my concern on the text part is the call to filter is highly subjective and could make some threads difficult to follow depending on how the filter is used. Image (forum thumbnails) control is still the primary concern for me. I would like to filter the images, but not the text - the way this proposal is written it's all or nothing.

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

IMO, tagging of "adult content" should be done quite liberally, erring on the side of caution with any questionable content.

Ok, but in the hands of those posting, "liberal" application is going to vary substantially.

In general I think we're on a similar page concerning this subject, and this has been a healthy discussion. For that I thank you. ;^)

09/02/2006 05:35:27 PM · #2

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Maybe we just create a new forum category and call it 'Adult Content'? ;^)

It has been suggested, but do you want whole threads moved to "Adult Content because someone posts a nude in the middle of the conversation?

Self-policing works and so does the Report Post Button.

A "filter" used for both text and graphics, gives us another tool and doesn't exclude those that want to forego adult content from being left out of entire threads.

IMO, tagging of "adult content" should be done quite liberally, erring on the side of caution with any questionable content.

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09/02/2006 05:05:15 PM · #3

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Generally text isn't the issue, so most posts, even if offensive, aren't a major concern for NSFW, or those with family/kid concerns either as you have to stop and be close enough to read the content.

The family/kid concern is not about a child seeing the text from a distance, but about these children who are DPC members and read the forums. There was a thread about this last week 'cry for help' or something.

Text is of concern, it was to me at least. And it didn't have much of anything to do with who reads it, but with the repeated intrusion of suggestive text into other threads (what people have been calling "thread-jacking" here).

Hmmm. Well then we're back to self-policing by those that are posting, and it's also back to the subjective view of what verbiage is of an "adult" nature.

Sounds tricky to me. Flagging or filtering of nude images seemed the easiest route to me, but I can see where the wrong text could be problematic as well.

Maybe we just create a new forum category and call it 'Adult Content'? ;^)

ursula

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09/02/2006 04:56:10 PM · #4

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Generally text isn't the issue, so most posts, even if offensive, aren't a major concern for NSFW, or those with family/kid concerns either as you have to stop and be close enough to read the content.

The family/kid concern is not about a child seeing the text from a distance, but about these children who are DPC members and read the forums. There was a thread about this last week 'cry for help' or something.

Text is of concern, it was to me at least. And it didn't have much of anything to do with who reads it, but with the repeated intrusion of suggestive text into other threads (what people have been calling "thread-jacking" here).

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09/02/2006 04:52:51 PM · #5

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Generally text isn't the issue, so most posts, even if offensive, aren't a major concern for NSFW, or those with family/kid concerns either as you have to stop and be close enough to read the content.

The family/kid concern is not about a child seeing the text from a distance, but about these children who are DPC members and read the forums. There was a thread about this last week 'cry for help' or something.

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09/02/2006 04:27:57 PM · #6

Originally posted by David.C:

...Basically, if someone is in a sensitive place and chooses to come to a sight they know has material they are going to consider inappropriate for their environment -- they are looking for trouble. While I never post with the intention of offending, I would just as soon not have my posts read by anyone looking for something to be upset about.

Generally text isn't the issue, so most posts, even if offensive, aren't a major concern for NSFW, or those with family/kid concerns either as you have to stop and be close enough to read the content. Personally I think if the image item is taken care of it covers the bulk of concerns.

David.C

09/02/2006 03:43:43 PM · #7

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by David.C:
If this gets implemented, could it be something like the checkboxes for sigs and URL parsing. That is, once clicked, it stays until I unclick it. It would get really tiring having to click it for every post.

David

This would assume that you would only post adult based posts and every time you post it would be flagged as such. Unless you are referring to being one that would want to flag to not see them. Not sure what your stating is clear here.

MattO ...

I was referring to flaggin all my posts as being 'adult' -- although that is not really a good word for what we are discussing, 'sensitive' or 'nsfw' would perhaps be better.

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Megatherian:
Users should have the option in there preferences to have their posts marked as adult by default.

LOL, yeah or a few of us need that :-)

... and not just for the obvious reason. This has esentially the effect as what I suggested above, but in a more central location.

Basically, if someone is in a sensitive place and chooses to come to a sight they know has material they are going to consider inappropriate for their environment -- they are looking for trouble. While I never post with the intention of offending, I would just as soon not have my posts read by anyone looking for something to be upset about.

David

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09/02/2006 02:16:08 PM · #8

Originally posted by Megatherian:

Users should have the option in there preferences to have their posts marked as adult by default.

LOL, yeah or a few of us need that :-)

Melethia

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09/02/2006 01:13:41 PM · #9

This still going on?

Is it just in the US that we have a generic fear of nudity? I'd much rather my kids (of which I don't have any, but that's beside the point) see nude people than people carrying guns. But that's just me...

I do understand the work-safe issues, though I can't view pictures at all at work. I occasionally sneak into the forums, but am pretty sure no one can read text from the doorway so I'm not too worried 'bout that.

Sorry to interrupt. Please carry on. :-)

DjFenzl

09/02/2006 12:58:50 PM · #10

Users should have the option in there preferences to have their posts marked as adult by default.

09/02/2006 11:20:37 AM · #11

I would hope posters would use the check box liberally on any post that contains nude or racy images, foul language or any content sexual in nature. In this case, it would be more acceptible to err on the side of caution if a post is in any way potentially offensive, non-work-safe or non-family-friendly.

I hope SC would also liberally flag posts as "adult" if they are potentially offensive, non-work-safe or non-family-friendly.

Remember, we are not censoring anything, just making it convenient for viewers not to see/read things that are racy.

Beetle's suggestion about an automated system is good. If X number of people click the report post button, it is automatically flagged as adult. We may want that to be a seperate button.

Originally posted by glad2badad:

If a post is selected as being adult content, can that post be quoted by another person?

I've been thinking about that too. Best solution I can think of is: If a quoted post is flagged as adult, the new post should automatically be flagged, or at least the check box should automatically be ticked.

Message edited by author 2006-09-02 11:32:08.

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09/02/2006 10:53:51 AM · #12

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
In summation, adult content filtering of text, left to the discretion of people posting messages, is too subjective and vague in my opinion.

...It's up to the individual to decide if their post has adult content.

Therefore the proposed adult content checkbox is only as good as the boundaries decided by individual posters. And not by some group DPC or SC consensus of what defines adult content.

Exactly. So it's subjective and loosely defined. What gets hidden (checkbox selected) and what doesn't?

Originally posted by jhonan:

Also, 'Nudity' does not always equal 'Adult Content'

This is a true statement. However, nudity in general is not work safe and pretty much falls under the adult content realm. This piece of the conversation has been fairly well hashed out in the other thread I pointed to in my last post and probably doesn't need to be dragged out again here.

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09/02/2006 09:45:03 AM · #13

Originally posted by glad2badad:

In summation, adult content filtering of text, left to the discretion of people posting messages, is too subjective and vague in my opinion.

Rule 7 says potentially adult content it doesn't specify 'nudity' or 'adult jokes' or text... It's up to the individual to decide if their post has adult content.

Therefore the proposed adult content checkbox is only as good as the boundaries decided by individual posters. And not by some group DPC or SC consensus of what defines adult content.

Also, 'Nudity' does not always equal 'Adult Content'

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09/02/2006 09:18:08 AM · #14

A couple of things I'm trying to clarify for myself after reading this thread...

What is adult content? In the other thread (enforce forum rules pertaining to adult content) regarding forum rule #7 most of the discussion pertained to nude images. This thread (about marking individual posts) lends itself to considering text/verbiage to be adult content in nature. If that's the case, I would ask what is adult content in text form? Is it foul language? That's covered in forum rule #9 (see below). Will it be considered adult content text if someone makes a crude or sexual in nature joke? What if that joke is clean (not using foul language)? Sounds like a lot of grey area to me.

The checkbox to hide that post for adult content is to be selected by the person posting - yes? So, this judgement call is up to the poster. This concerns me some because there could be parts of the conversation going on that's mild in nature but important to the context of the thread. If I have my "filter" turned on to block adult content enough pieces of the conversation could be missing to make it hard to follow. Yet if I turn the "filter" off then I'm subjected to adult content in the form of images?

If a post is selected as being adult content, can that post be quoted by another person?

In summation, adult content filtering of text, left to the discretion of people posting messages, is too subjective and vague in my opinion.

Existing forum rule #9 for reference.

Forum Rules

"Watch your language. While it is not our intention to censor all use of foul language, please respect your fellow participants. We can and will remove excessive, gratuitous and inappropriate use of foul language."

edit - typo.

Message edited by author 2006-09-02 09:19:26.

MattO

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09/02/2006 08:01:20 AM · #15

Originally posted by David.C:

If this gets implemented, could it be something like the checkboxes for sigs and URL parsing. That is, once clicked, it stays until I unclick it. It would get really tiring having to click it for every post.

David

This would assume that you would only post adult based posts and every time you post it would be flagged as such. Unless you are referring to being one that would want to flag to not see them. Not sure what your stating is clear here.

MattO

ETA I love the idea of being able to flag a comment so that it shows it has adult content.

David.C

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09/02/2006 03:51:33 AM · #16

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09/02/2006 01:37:41 AM · #17

Originally posted by karmat:

On the funnier note: If I had the least bit of knowledge about how to hack/code, you could consider it done. ;)

Just beg Langdon. It likely will not take that much begging...lol

karmat

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09/02/2006 01:21:14 AM · #18

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by karmat:

And, I agree.

Thank you. I hope this can be coded as easily as I assume it is and will be implemented soon. I can't help but believe such a system would ease much of the tension as of late.

On a funnier note: Feel free to implement a lock on the cheese photo, disallowing it from ever appearing in the forums again.

I'm just one voice, but I think if it isn't too big a bear to code, it shouldn't be that big an issue.

On the funnier note: If I had the least bit of knowledge about how to hack/code, you could consider it done. ;)

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09/02/2006 12:40:20 AM · #19

Originally posted by karmat:

And, I agree.

Thank you. I hope this can be coded as easily as I assume it is and will be implemented soon. I can't help but believe such a system would ease much of the tension as of late.

On a funnier note: Feel free to implement a lock on the cheese photo, disallowing it from ever appearing in the forums again.

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09/02/2006 12:13:45 AM · #20

Are you lot finally working something out?

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09/02/2006 12:10:29 AM · #21

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

...I think it is fair and doesn't leave people out, if they choose not to read adult content or view nude photos.

I think this is fair, as well. :)

Message edited by author 2006-09-02 00:10:41.

karmat

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09/02/2006 12:07:34 AM · #22

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I want to make it clear that I am talking about flagging individual posts within a thread. That way a whole thread doesn't get filtered if someone posts a nude in the middle of a conversation.

I think it is fair and doesn't leave people out, if they choose not to read adult content or view nude photos.

And, I agree.

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09/02/2006 12:06:58 AM · #23

Originally posted by amber:

Quite a few did say they wanted only photography based threads in the 'What's going on?' thread.

What's Going On?

Perhaps you could point out the "quite a few" posts that said that? I just re-read it, and the ones I saw specifically said that no one wanted to ban all non-photography threads....