Arrest made in Jonbenet Ramsey Case....

08/19/2006 06:39:07 AM · #1

Until proven otherwise Karr was living miles away in another state. If you are speaking about another person...why bother looking in the mail box? Ramsey was a millionaire so money wasn't really a problem...asking for 118,000 for me is one of the red flags that something stinks to high hell.

leggion

08/19/2006 06:35:30 AM · #2

The killer probably hung around the house in the week or so leading up to the crime and stole from their mailbox - a letter, a bank statement, anything with $118,000 written on it.

08/19/2006 06:20:47 AM · #3

Originally posted by leggion:

I don't know where I was in Christmas 1996. The amount of the ransom is interesting. I can't say how he found out but he did. The ransom seems pretty low. But if the killer had set the ransom too high, the father would have known that he couldn't pay and therefore immediately called the police, who would have put out an all points bulletin. The killer wanted to be certain it was an amount he could pay and therefore get the necessary 24 hours escape time.

As a parent I remember each and every christmas, as a child I would have been devastated if my father wasn't there.

Christmas 1996 - just back in the UK after 2 years in Malaysia - New house. The mortgage company insisted that one of the walls in the extension needed bricking up so the wallpaper was missing. My neice stayed on christmas eve. We had a buffet party with Wallace and Grommit paper table cloths...etc...

John Ramsey says he doesn't know this guy so Karr who was living in a completely different state with very little money would have to be psychic or have access to Ramsey's personal documents - I don't even know how much bonus my husband gets.

Message edited by author 2006-08-19 06:34:59.

leggion

08/19/2006 06:15:29 AM · #4

08/19/2006 06:11:30 AM · #5

How did he know the husband had just receieved a bonus of 118,000? The exact amount in the note?

His ex wife, who hates him swears (although she's double checking) he was with her in Alabama that Christmas - hard to go missing at Christmas with a wife and three kids and have no one notice.

leggion

08/19/2006 06:07:09 AM · #6

I don't think that a ransom note left in the house is the least bit suspicious. My guess is that the killer broke into the house while the family was out and waited for them to return. He intended to leave a ransom note behind to give himself time to escape with the girl. He knew there would have been an all points bulletin put out by the police looking for the girl, and if he wanted to take the victim interstate this would have been his major problem. But if he could convince the Ramsey's not to call the police, even for 24 hours, his escape would have been assured.
Why did he write the note at the crime scene? Again, he knew that he could have been caught while breaking into the house. If he was found with a ransom note, what would have been a routine burglary charge would have turned into an attempted kidnapping charge. As a criminal he seems to have worked out his strategy quite well.
After the family came home he would have waited till lights out. He would have then gone to the girl's room and promised to give her some pineapple in the kitchen. While he was witing the note the child became suspicious so he took her to the basement and tied her up. After finishing the ransom note he returns to the basement to find that the child had choked. Unable to tell whether she was alive, the killer knew he could no longer take her with him, and coudn't leave her there in case she was still alive and could recognise him as a family friend so he killed her.
I'd say that Karr is our man. He seems to fit the above criteria. He even said that JonBenet's death was an accident, which in a way is true I suppose. I can't wait for the DNA results!

Message edited by author 2006-08-19 06:11:41.

08/18/2006 08:51:55 AM · #7

Originally posted by amber:

Originally posted by karmabreeze:
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My understanding of the state of sex tourism and police corruption in Thailand is that holding someone on sex charges there is a sort of joke, like holding someone on a parking ticket. The Feds were very specific in requesting that the Thai Royal Police pick him up and it appears that he was held on some trumped up seatwarmer charges until they could get there themselves.

A confession alone doesn't mean much - all sorts of crazy attention seekers will claim credit for high profile crimes they didn't commit. But they've arrested Karr after three months of investigation, so something there must be strongly corroborative.

My experience here shows that holding someone on sex charges is taken very seriously...the ones caught where I live often end up suiciding themselves..if you get my meaning.

That's good to hear.

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08/18/2006 07:21:04 AM · #8

Originally posted by karmabreeze:

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My understanding of the state of sex tourism and police corruption in Thailand is that holding someone on sex charges there is a sort of joke, like holding someone on a parking ticket. The Feds were very specific in requesting that the Thai Royal Police pick him up and it appears that he was held on some trumped up seatwarmer charges until they could get there themselves.

A confession alone doesn't mean much - all sorts of crazy attention seekers will claim credit for high profile crimes they didn't commit. But they've arrested Karr after three months of investigation, so something there must be strongly corroborative.

My experience here shows that holding someone on sex charges is taken very seriously...the ones caught where I live often end up suiciding themselves..if you get my meaning.

Message edited by author 2006-08-18 07:22:25.

idnic

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08/18/2006 07:16:53 AM · #9

The man is psychotic. Its looking now like he was never around Jonbenet, but became obsessed with her and another murdered little girl AFTER their deaths.

He married a 12 year old when he was 18, then married a 16 year old when he was in his early 20s. Been fired from 1/2 dozen teaching jobs and been arrested for owning child porn. Man's a freak!

Gatorguy

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08/17/2006 04:58:34 PM · #10

Colorado has the death penalty, but *IF* this guy is convicted I hope they don't use it. I would like to see them turn him loose in a general prison population. The result (death) would be the same, but he will go out in a more "appropriate" way - a way more fitting to the crime.

DanSig

08/17/2006 04:04:59 PM · #11

Originally posted by JayWalk:

Any guy that wears his pants that high (and no belt) MUST be a killer! Case closed!

he was in custody, he wasn't allowed to wear a belt, so the only way to keep up his pants was to give him self a wedgie and hold them up with his cheeks ;)

08/17/2006 03:45:17 PM · #12

Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by karmabreeze:
corroborative.

Stop using words I can't pronounce. ;)

Hahah... sometimes my vocabulary runs away with me. :D

FireBird

08/17/2006 03:39:10 PM · #13

Originally posted by karmabreeze:

corroborative.

Stop using words I can't pronounce. ;)

JeffryZ

08/17/2006 02:33:22 PM · #14

In Boulder Colorado it was a big story because there had only been I think one other murder in the previous ten years. This is also why they said the investigation was so messed up- they had no experience in this sort of matter. Reports on the arrest keep coming out and some are conflicting and many based on rumour, but one did say that the alleged killer had information about the killing that was not made public (with all the rag media digging I thought they had all of it- and even made up a bunch).
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08/17/2006 02:15:56 PM · #15

Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Ummm, didn't the guy basically confess to killing her in his interviews with the media? This doesn't sound much like merely another lead in a cold case...

All kinds of weird nutcases confess to things they don't do. Perhaps the people in Thailand didn't really like having a child molestor as a 2nd grade teacher. Maybe his only route of escape from Thailand was courtesy of the US gumment.
Jail in the US could conceivable be more pleasant than Thailand? With at least three different people now giving Karr alibis we'll have to wait a bit til things get sorted out. As the police say: "There's something hinkey about this case."
Almost a hinkey as fotoman frying bacon in the nude. :(

My understanding of the state of sex tourism and police corruption in Thailand is that holding someone on sex charges there is a sort of joke, like holding someone on a parking ticket. The Feds were very specific in requesting that the Thai Royal Police pick him up and it appears that he was held on some trumped up seatwarmer charges until they could get there themselves.

A confession alone doesn't mean much - all sorts of crazy attention seekers will claim credit for high profile crimes they didn't commit. But they've arrested Karr after three months of investigation, so something there must be strongly corroborative.

FireBird

08/17/2006 02:00:45 PM · #16

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Ummm, didn't the guy basically confess to killing her in his interviews with the media? This doesn't sound much like merely another lead in a cold case...

All kinds of weird nutcases confess to things they don't do. Perhaps the people in Thailand didn't really like having a child molestor as a 2nd grade teacher. Maybe his only route of escape from Thailand was courtesy of the US gumment.
Jail in the US could conceivable be more pleasant than Thailand? With at least three different people now giving Karr alibis we'll have to wait a bit til things get sorted out. As the police say: "There's something hinkey about this case."
Almost a hinkey as fotoman frying bacon in the nude. :(

FireBird

08/17/2006 01:53:12 PM · #17

Originally posted by karmabreeze:

Originally posted by Chinabun:
what?

Originally posted by fir3bird:
Patsy Ramsey found out what happened to Jon Benet on June 12 of this year. Assuming she didn't already know.

The investigation was in the works as early as May and definitely in June, and the family, including Patsy, were all aware of it, cooperative with it, and had full expectations of this arrest.

My comment was a little more of the magic and mystery element. Patsy Ramsey died on June 12.

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08/17/2006 01:50:21 PM · #18

Ummm, didn't the guy basically confess to killing her in his interviews with the media? This doesn't sound much like merely another lead in a cold case...

yanko

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08/17/2006 01:48:43 PM · #19

Or teach 8th grade math. :P

JayWalk

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08/17/2006 01:46:53 PM · #20

Any guy that wears his pants that high (and no belt) MUST be a killer! Case closed!

Message edited by author 2006-08-17 13:50:58.

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08/17/2006 01:40:25 PM · #21

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

Because the media is glamorizing this whole thing with out any facts. They have the entire worlds hopes up that this case is finally solved. Based on an arrest and a few emails. No Real Facts present.

The police in tailand did not release any real information at first but the big news channels all had their photoshop experts whipping up banners for the story. It is on every channel and every front page , Some even bold enough to print JonBenets killer Caught..

Big Graphics Splash Screens or what ever they call it. They are glamorizing it and now it if it turns out to be a false lead the people watching it are left right back where they were before the Breaking News Flash came on the air. Had the media waited to see if this was real or hoax. They could have saved alot of people from alot of BS. The problem is. They all want to be first to break the story.

It is just like when there is a big plane crash. They are on the air 2 minutes later giving out false information, 200 people dead, no 177 dead, no 187 etc etc. If they could just say we are waiting for official numbers to come in and we will report them when we know they are real. But they can't do that because they are affraid that the other channel will beat them to it.

And please dont take this personal scarbrd It is just the way I feel about the way alot of news stories get released before they were finished being writen.

Originally posted by scarbrd:
The media reported that an arrest was made. How is that not a fact?

The media also reported that the ex-wife says he wasn't there.

If it turns out he wasn't there, how can you fault the media for the FACT the he was arrested? geeez.

Originally posted by Bugzeye:
If this turns out to be a scam it will help prove my point, The media again reporting with out any facts...

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by strangeghost:
From a USAToday story (//www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-17-jonbenet-ramsey_x.htm?csp=34) - the links button not working???

"Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe her former husband was involved in the homicide."

If this turns out to be a scam, you can thank the media for exposing it.

Your real problem is with the American people who you are calling pretty stupid in an indirect way. I've had the news on this morning and what I've learned was this guy was "arrested" that's it! So far I haven't heard anybody mention he was already convicted and sentence or anything like that. If you think that is how it is being interpreted by the masses then that's an indictment with the people watching not those relaying the message. Granted, I have lots of issues with the media also but I'm not going to fault them for covering a story that CLEARLY is of interest to it's audience. My main problem with the media is they simply spend too much time on certain stories while not covering others just as important or more so.

Message edited by author 2006-08-17 13:41:30.

Bugzeye

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08/17/2006 01:19:31 PM · #22

Originally posted by scarbrd:

The media reported that an arrest was made. How is that not a fact?

The media also reported that the ex-wife says he wasn't there.

If it turns out he wasn't there, how can you fault the media for the FACT the he was arrested? geeez.

Originally posted by Bugzeye:
If this turns out to be a scam it will help prove my point, The media again reporting with out any facts...

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by strangeghost:
From a USAToday story (//www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-17-jonbenet-ramsey_x.htm?csp=34) - the links button not working???

"Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe her former husband was involved in the homicide."

If this turns out to be a scam, you can thank the media for exposing it.

scarbrd

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08/17/2006 12:24:03 PM · #23

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

If this turns out to be a scam it will help prove my point, The media again reporting with out any facts...

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by strangeghost:
From a USAToday story (//www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-17-jonbenet-ramsey_x.htm?csp=34) - the links button not working???

"Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe her former husband was involved in the homicide."

If this turns out to be a scam, you can thank the media for exposing it.

Bugzeye

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

08/17/2006 12:08:58 PM · #24

If this turns out to be a scam it will help prove my point, The media again reporting with out any facts...

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by strangeghost:
From a USAToday story (//www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-17-jonbenet-ramsey_x.htm?csp=34) - the links button not working???

"Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe her former husband was involved in the homicide."

If this turns out to be a scam, you can thank the media for exposing it.