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09/11/2003 04:58:28 PM · #1 |
That's undoubtedly true, Ursula, though I have a wife who sometimes looks at my shots and says "WAY to much red, David!"
I do find that in regular life, I can play Uno if it is very bright and I can see the colors clearly. But in photography, many photographs hailed as having "great colors!" to me seem washed out. So I tend to go for darker, saturated colors with rich tones and shadows--like your "mer Bleu Bog" (and many of your other color photos). I often wonder if my own photos are seen as "cartoonish" to some people. I thought that this shot of mine was a slight bit cartoony with its color, I trusted the tones more than the colors, and got approval from my wife, so it was okay.
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 17:03:24.
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09/11/2003 01:26:26 PM · #2 |
[quote=dsidwell
But please don't point to things and ask "What color is this? and this? and this? and this? and this . . ." It's like asking a deaf person "Can you hear me now? NOW? NOW!!!? NOW!!!!!!!?"
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Wow, I'm sorry. I never realized that colourblindness was like that. I have a lot of experience with a severe hearing loss person in the family, and I know how frustrating it is, for him, and for those around him.
Related to that, I wonder if the way I see your pictures, David, or pictures of others with colourblindness, is "coloured" by that difference in perception, and that sometimes to me the colours used by others look "odd". I know it's happened to me looking at some of jjbeguin's pictures - I think, "This is beautiful, but the colours are a bit strange, I would not use them that way." I figured it was just difference in taste (and it probably is for the most part).
Oh well.
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09/11/2003 11:40:28 AM · #3 |
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Ohhhh, my favorite picture! I'm so glad he doesn't know the napkin is pink! |
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09/11/2003 11:34:54 AM · #4 |
| To see if YOU are colorblind, click here.. You may be surprised. |
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09/11/2003 11:27:26 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by jdw91479:
I've played Uno (the card game) w/ color blind people before. It makes it more intersting. Actually, I think Uno is mostly primary colors, so they were pretty recognizable. |
Forget Uno--it's impossible to play! The yellow is orange and the orange is orange, too (as I recall). It's odd because I'll mention that the yellow looks orange, and everyone derides me, but when I press them, they'll finally say, "well it does have SOME orange in it" and then I'll press them about the orange and they'll say "well it does have SOME yellow in it" and then they understand when I think both colors are yellow-orange! Subtleties are lost on us!
I grew up not knowing what colors were, just because everyone figured I couldn't see them. I was an adult before I learned what chartreuse and taupe and other weird colors were (Chartreuse is easy to see, taupe is not).
But please don't point to things and ask "What color is this? and this? and this? and this? and this . . ." It's like asking a deaf person "Can you hear me now? NOW? NOW!!!? NOW!!!!!!!?"
KNowing that JJ and Bob and Ron and others are colorblind empowers me! Wow!
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 11:28:13. |
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09/11/2003 11:03:12 AM · #6 |
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For example, a pictures by jjbeguin, "new shoes / no more wine", the red polka dot shoes and the pink napkin - how could someone colourblind make such a beautiful, colourful picture without seeing it? How do you compensate?
Ursula[/quote]
I can honestly say I always thought this napkin was white (and still do).
We have always seen the world this way and are aculturated to what looks beautifull chromatically, no big deal.
If there was a simulation to make us see the way we should, i'm sure it would look pretty terrible to us as well |
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09/11/2003 10:34:59 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Color blindness or monitor calibration? lol ;)
Seeing what a colorblind person who see. |
Now I'm very, very curious. I checked a couple of my pictures (I use a LOT of red and orange in many of my picts) through this colorblind simulation page, and they look positively HORRIBLE!!!!
Is is actually possible that some of you might see like that?
I am shocked!
For example, a pictures by jjbeguin, "new shoes / no more wine", the red polka dot shoes and the pink napkin - how could someone colourblind make such a beautiful, colourful picture without seeing it? How do you compensate?
Can colourblindness be treated in some way?
Ursula
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 10:37:54.
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09/11/2003 10:28:57 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Originally posted by jjbeguin:
I am too. |
Wow! Your photographs are simply superb. I'd never imagined that you'd have a problem visually. |
It's not always a problem, just different.
It occurs to me that we have almost precisely the opposite situation with auditory sensation -- someone with perfect pitch is the rarity, and "defective" hearing is the norm .... |
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09/11/2003 10:21:13 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by jjbeguin:
I am too. |
Wow! Your photographs are simply superb. I'd never imagined that you'd have a problem visually. |
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09/11/2003 08:49:58 AM · #10 |
I'm colorblind. I don't think it affects me that much. The only real obvious thing that is affected is that I can't match clothes to save my life (which could also be a side-effect of being a straight male). I've fixed that problem though... I wear jeans or black pants and everything fits. I suffer from the same type of color problems as GeneralE.... greens and browns are often indistinguishable as well as blues and purples. If they are very very obvious I can tell, but once they start looking sort of close, I'm lost. This also gives me fits when trying to match mats to pictures.
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09/11/2003 05:31:56 AM · #11 |
I am too, which can explain why I prefer dealing with duotones. I don't see apples or red flowers in a tree unless somebody points them out for me. I have dressed in pink shirts for years thinking they were white.
in the test i see 20 ad 57 and nothing on the right.
I use the desaturate tool in photoshop to deal with reds and greens. |
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09/11/2003 03:02:32 AM · #12 |
| It is pink like the lipstick... |
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09/11/2003 01:37:03 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Why can't I get that link to show???? |
Oh well, no replies.
Just look at my profile. You'll see the numbers very clearly there. |
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 02:02:44.
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09/11/2003 01:33:16 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Why can't I get that link to show???? |
Oh well, no replies.
Just look at my profile. You'll see the numbers very clearly there. |
You need to put "[url]" before and "[/url]" after the url (no spaces) to make it work or hit the button above the typin' box that says INSERT HYPERLINK when you put your curser on it!
Hope this helps!
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09/11/2003 01:29:23 AM · #15 |
I've played Uno (the card game) w/ color blind people before. It makes it more intersting. Actually, I think Uno is mostly primary colors, so they were pretty recognizable.
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09/11/2003 12:22:22 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Why can't I get that link to show???? |
Oh well, no replies.
Just look at my profile. You'll see the numbers very clearly there. |
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09/11/2003 12:21:28 AM · #17 |
Does that mean the new $20.00 bill is going to look funny.
New design is coming out in October.
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 00:23:13.
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09/10/2003 11:48:04 PM · #18 |
This is kinda a funny story and one of the only times my color blindness (it's really subtle and doesn't affect my day to day events) came to the fore front.
My kids class went on a field trip to a local park. The park had several activities planned for the class so they split the class up into two groups to get everything done easier. The groups were denoted by blue and green "Hi my name is..." name tags. My kid was in the blue group. We were standing in our group waiting for the leader to take us to our activity when I asked Ian (my son) why some of our group was going off somewhere else.
He said "Dad, that's the green group!"
All the rest of the field trips that year were divided into blue and red groups!!! :-P
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09/10/2003 11:38:30 PM · #19 |
| Herb Lubalin [ITC fonts, Avante Garde mag, Sound of Music promo designer] was colorblind (as was his twin brother). |
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09/10/2003 11:33:01 PM · #20 |
David, this reminds me of a good friend of 13 years. When I first visited his apartment in Essen, I was a bit dumbfounded to find almost everything there in either blue or yellow (i.e. the telephone - yellow, the clock - blue with yellow details, the sofa - ikea blue, the cupboard - maple yellow, the wallpaper - blue and yellow stripes... you get the idea). When I commented about the color scheme that made his apartment look like a Lufthansa lounge, that's when I found out that he couldn't make a disctinction between reds and greens. The stoplight, apparently for him, was just yellow, and two greys of differing intensities.
Don't get me wrong: that you are sensing images through a 'natural filter' makes your work even more amazing, and makes me appreciate them even more.
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09/10/2003 10:30:31 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Color blindness or monitor calibration? lol ;)
Seeing what a colorblind person who see. |
Once you discover what type of colorblindness a person has, you can bring up a url address and see it the way that person will see it.
Message edited by author 2003-09-10 22:34:04.
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09/10/2003 10:14:59 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
70?
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29 upper left.
57 lower left.
86 upper right.
75 lower right. |
That's what I see.
and pink streaks in the hair on the ooops challenge. |
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09/10/2003 10:12:58 PM · #23 |
Why can't I get that link to show????
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09/10/2003 10:11:31 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
70?
it's
29 upper left.
57 lower left.
86 upper right.
75 lower right. |
Someone has to do it. And say it. Mavrik's right.
I've taken the original file and played around with desaturatation, levels and so on. The numbers are as Mavrik shows.
Here is the edited file.
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09/10/2003 10:04:50 PM · #25 |
| Don't forget, when I photographed this and adjusted it and changed color spaces and all that, it might not be entirely accurate, although from people's comments I must have gotten pretty close! |
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