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08/07/2003 07:38:01 AM · #1 |
Qualified or not, I like the take on the challenge and the fairy tale execution. It's a nicely taken shot.[/quote]
ThanX
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08/07/2003 07:31:59 AM · #2 |
See, I didnt think yours was that outside the box. After all, dying is often called "pushing up the daisies".
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Thinking outside the box on DPC is not a good idea if you want to score well. My photo that I submitted to that challenge was too far outside the box... lol... |
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08/07/2003 01:36:43 AM · #3 |
John, I don't think that you have to wedge an unrelated pic into a challenge just to suggest its relevance with a title. With so many pics to look through, it helps to give the viewer some idea of why YOU think it fits. Not everyone spends enough time on each image to understand how it fits the topic. That doesn't mean that they would disagree that it does once they "see" the connection.
I don't think a title should affect the score of the shot, but people are sometimes too strict about meeting the challenge.
You obviously felt that the shot met the challenge, and I admit that I would have been more likely to agree if I had thought of a memorial garden while voting. |
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08/06/2003 10:54:18 PM · #4 |
Thanks Eddy. Yeah I currently use Irfan View's Lanczos algorithim for upsizing and didn't think it could get much better. Will definitely try your suggestions.
Thanks again
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by Jaxson:
I'll definitely try this when I next re-size. I wonder if this method works for upsizing as well. |
Yes, it can work when upsizing as well, but there are better algorithms out there (such as the Vector algorithm in Qimage, which is much better in many cases than Photoshop's bicubic interpolation or even Lanczos... see the sample).
Incidentally, the process of resizing in steps is called stair interpolation and a search on Google for the term should reveal lots of reading material, such as this thread. |
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08/06/2003 09:35:48 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Jaxson:
I'll definitely try this when I next re-size. I wonder if this method works for upsizing as well. |
Yes, it can work when upsizing as well, but there are better algorithms out there (such as the Vector algorithm in Qimage, which is much better in many cases than Photoshop's bicubic interpolation or even Lanczos... see the sample).
Incidentally, the process of resizing in steps is called stair interpolation and a search on Google for the term should reveal lots of reading material, such as this thread.
Message edited by author 2003-08-06 21:36:58. |
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08/06/2003 09:16:19 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
You are right about that. Yours was WAY outside the box; a great image, but way out there.
Hmmmm, perhaps if you had titled it "Forbidden Garden"... or "Liberty and Death"...... :) |
You will never see me use a title to 'wedge' a photo into a challenge.
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08/06/2003 09:13:42 PM · #7 |
Thanks for this tip Scott. I can sure see the difference!! I'll definitely try this when I next re-size. I wonder if this method works for upsizing as well.
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by Jaxson:
Scott, would you mind explaining to me why you resize this way? In photoshop in "image size" I just input the desired amount of pixels (eg width: 640, height: 480). Or are you talking about compressing it to fit under 150k?
Thanks |
I can't explain why it works, I just know that, while for most shots it doesn't necessarily have any benefit (that I can tell), when I have images that are prone to getting jagged lines when resizing, this process often works. I can only guess that instead of having to resample a bunch of pixels into one, it resamples at a more gradual rate, and the results are smoother. (And no, nothing to do with compression. Compression will generate artifacts, but in my limited experience, doesn't lead to jagged lines.)
For example, look at my transportation entry, The Coaster. I did it before I learned about this trick, and it was a straight resize. You can see all the grass came out jagged - for example the piece that bends back horizontally, above the train engine. Now look at this version, resized in steps (though with no other processing). A lot of those jagged edges are much smoother. Notice that in this example, the results weren't perfect - the reeds in the top right are still a little jagged - but I've found these marsh grasses among the hardest images to resize without getting jagged.
In doing the new version, I did also notice that sharpening also had an effect - after resizing if I tried to sharpen too much, it got more jagged. But I did do a straight resize vs a stepped resize with no other changes, and the difference was significant. |
Message edited by author 2003-08-06 21:15:44. |
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08/06/2003 09:01:02 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Thinking outside the box on DPC is not a good idea if you want to score well. My photo that I submitted to that challenge was too far outside the box... lol... |
I think if you had titled it "Gardens of Stone", or something with a more garden-related connection, it might have done better. It is a very good shot.
And, good to see you back in the challenges! |
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08/06/2003 08:59:21 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Jaxson:
Scott, would you mind explaining to me why you resize this way? In photoshop in "image size" I just input the desired amount of pixels (eg width: 640, height: 480). Or are you talking about compressing it to fit under 150k?
Thanks |
I can't explain why it works, I just know that, while for most shots it doesn't necessarily have any benefit (that I can tell), when I have images that are prone to getting jagged lines when resizing, this process often works. I can only guess that instead of having to resample a bunch of pixels into one, it resamples at a more gradual rate, and the results are smoother. (And no, nothing to do with compression. Compression will generate artifacts, but in my limited experience, doesn't lead to jagged lines.)
For example, look at my transportation entry, The Coaster. I did it before I learned about this trick, and it was a straight resize. You can see all the grass came out jagged - for example the piece that bends back horizontally, above the train engine. Now look at this version, resized in steps (though with no other processing). A lot of those jagged edges are much smoother. Notice that in this example, the results weren't perfect - the reeds in the top right are still a little jagged - but I've found these marsh grasses among the hardest images to resize without getting jagged.
In doing the new version, I did also notice that sharpening also had an effect - after resizing if I tried to sharpen too much, it got more jagged. But I did do a straight resize vs a stepped resize with no other changes, and the difference was significant. |
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08/06/2003 08:51:52 PM · #10 |
You are right about that. Yours was WAY outside the box; a great image, but way out there.
Hmmmm, perhaps if you had titled it "Forbidden Garden"... or "Liberty and Death"...... :)
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08/06/2003 08:22:57 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by PSUBecker:
Congratulations to all that won the in the garden challenge....... however I have to say that I am disappointed that 7 of the top 10 pictures were of insects. Although I all feel that they are very good photos, I just really think that people should be more rewarded for their "Thinking Outside of the Box" persay. Or, maybe I am just bitter that I can't make it into the top 100! :-D I hope that no one is offended by this comment... I just really tried to be original, and ended up not doing so hot. I also had some pixel problems with my pic. Oh well. If you're interested, check out the "alternate" pic that didn't get entered, and tell me which one you liked better:
Contest Entry
Alternate Entry |
Thinking outside the box on DPC is not a good idea if you want to score well. My photo that I submitted to that challenge was too far outside the box... lol...
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08/06/2003 08:19:51 PM · #12 |
PSUBecker,
I really like the creativity of your entry. I think it was tastefully done. It gets high marks for originality, but the alternate image would have did better. The alternate is a higher quality image.
I suspect the reasons it got a lower score has nothing to do with its content, but its technical flaws.
The Pixilation on the legs is a major distraction from the message of this image. Those legs are much to nice for that. In fact, there is pixalation all over this image. That can't be ignored.
There are varying opinions on DOF, but the ruffled garment in the foreground to my eye was just out of focus, not the result of artistic use of DOF.
They "bug" images were at the top of the ratings simply because they were the best images.
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08/06/2003 07:45:26 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Here's a tip: when resizing your image, do it in steps. Resize it 10% at a time, i.e. resize to 90%, then again to 90%, then again until its the right size. It doesn't work perfectly on every shot, but it does work many times, and probably would work on your shot. |
Scott, would you mind explaining to me why you resize this way? In photoshop in "image size" I just input the desired amount of pixels (eg width: 640, height: 480). Or are you talking about compressing it to fit under 150k?
Thanks |
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08/06/2003 07:02:07 PM · #14 |
Reading through this thread, something dawned on me: I think many on the eastern side of the Atlantic suffered from an American vs. British translation of the word "garden". In America, a garden tends to be thought of as subsection of your yard, where you plant vegetables, flowers, or other ornamental plants (or, in more arid climates, maybe rocks!). In the British mind does garden tend to cover the whole area of land around the house? I wouldn't think of a clothes line (for example Jon) as technically being in a garden, but as being in my yard. Semantics, I know, but that could be why many didn't connect your shot as being tied to a garden. It's not that one or the other interpretation is right or wrong, just might explain some of the confusion.
Personally, even though I tend to be a stickler for meeting the challenge, all the shots (at least that I recall) commented on in this thread were close enough for me that I didn't quible. |
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08/06/2003 05:33:16 PM · #15 |
Michele in response to your entry picture I can say I gave it a lower rating, due to the jaggies and also it didn't convey garden to me, it gave me the feeling of a field, not a garden.
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08/06/2003 11:36:12 AM · #16 |
| I totally agree with BobsterLobster, and i´m going beyond your comment: the rules said "the main subject of your photograph may NOT be a flower"text, did you get it, a single flower. By the way, 4 of the first ten places shows a bug in a flower. I have seen a garden without flowers once; in The Adam´s Family. Is too sad there are a lot of people inside the box. |
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08/06/2003 10:46:35 AM · #17 |
Thank you very much to all who commented on my In the Garden submission.
Several people said they did not like the bottom right being as dark as it was but I thought it added to the image overall. It's true, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder. This site really is a learning experience.
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=30961
Message edited by author 2003-08-06 10:48:00. |
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08/06/2003 10:43:10 AM · #18 |
Well it was my pic and it did pretty well (for me at least)about 5,9 I think
//www.zeranico.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Album-4&id=e1 here it is!
It unfortunatly got DQed for using history eraser wich i did not know was forbidden ...
But again thanx 4 all the nice comments;) never got so many:D
Message edited by author 2003-08-06 11:20:31.
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08/06/2003 10:29:27 AM · #19 |
| I searched the entire entry results...looking for the garden of eden pic...wanting to know who took it. Very disappointed to not find it there. How was it scoring before the DQ? Just curious. Loved the photo. |
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08/06/2003 09:48:11 AM · #20 |
[quote=magnetic9999]PSUBecker -- I like both your shots, problem was they renamed this the bug challenge without telling us.
HA HA HA HA HA
And that was exactly why I posted this tread! IMAGINATION is the key to life, and the key to photography. |
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08/06/2003 09:44:04 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by ddsoul:
psubecker:
perhaps if you used your entry, maybe added that bitten apple next to a visible arm and hand.. with the apple on the ground, next to the hand.. and then titled it "the garden of eden". that may have been a nice shot. just a thought :) |
Yeah..... the secret places was IN NO WAY related to the Garden of Eden... It was sex baby! It was all about the sex.
Oh and P.S., I am NOT the girl in either of the photos for those of you who mentioned a possible self portrait. Unfortunately, I was not blessed with such a nice set of legs! |
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08/06/2003 09:11:36 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Guys, guys, GUYS!!!!!
What is wrong with you all? I've just been looking at some comments on some of my favourite pics for the garden challenge, and I can't believe how picky you've all been about relevance to the challenge!
Flowers WERE allowed, they just weren't allowed to be the main focus.
And it didn't have to be taken in the garden, it just had to be 'somehow related'. I can't believe how many excellent and relevant (IMO) photos didn't do well because of this!
Anyway, it did allow mine to get a ribbon... thanks again! |
Totally agree. Some voters are too "thinking inside the box".. maybe they can do a shot for "from the inside out" challenge of themselves looking outside the box :P
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08/06/2003 09:09:46 AM · #23 |
This is a terrific image. Sorry it was DQ'd.. but you can still put it up for print. I think it is great! |
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08/06/2003 08:27:50 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Most of the places I've lived we couldn't use a washing line - either too wet, too cold or too hot/humid to have much effect :) |
The weird thing is - people didn't seem to even recognise it as a washing line or even know that gardens are where they tend to be (or across streets, etc) but either way it's a backyard thing. Odd. |
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08/06/2003 08:23:21 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Well, where do people dry their washing in other parts of the world?! |
Most of the places I've lived we couldn't use a washing line - either too wet, too cold or too hot/humid to have much effect :) |
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