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07/09/2003 01:59:03 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by kebmod54:
Why would the "night out" entry have to be in the dark to be considered a good photo. A night out for me is supper at about 7:00pm and home before the sun sets. |
The following is TOTALLY JUST MY OPINION. I appreciate the community here and the ability to share with others.
I'm not trying to be picky or a twit about the contest topic. My average score given is over 7 and with this particular contest I have 1 10, 3 9's, scores of 8's and 7's. I also gave our several 4's, 3's and maybe a 2 and a 1. I generally try to provide feedback to the artists on about 25-30% of all the images I rate.
This is just my hangup but I feel that if the title of the contest is "A Night On The Town" then some visual reference should be made to the PM context (usually darkness but not always) and some reference should be visible to the ". . . On The Town" part, too. The composition of one of the pictures is a nice place setting of a dinner plate with silverware on a (presumably) linen tablecloth. IMO, this doesn't go to the extent to demonstrating the evening aspect that I'm expecting in this contest. If the image was darker with candlelight I would be able to infer that the darkness was probably due to the lack of sunlight, thus I could suspend my ignorance of the setting enough to give a higher (above 6) score to this scene. The idea of ". . . On The Town" was included with the more formal place setting (once again, IMO).
In contrast, other images (specifically fireworks pictures cropped without any "city/town" context to the image were equally remiss in showing that they weren't completely seascapes or rural locales. Some of the fireworks that included "town" settings not only hit both of the key points that I felt were needed in any composition that would earn at least average (5-6) scores from me; they excelled at setting a tone or eliciting an emotion from me that made me understand and/or feel like I could be in the setting. Perhaps they made me (in the sense of one Amsterdam picture (not a fireworks composition) I had a sense of longing to be able to visit the town in the photo and amble its streets (assuming they're safe enough) with a loved one during the dusk hours.
In conclusion, I try to be fair and understanding and not punative in my assessments but I do ask that if someone wants a higher ranking from me then either include the salient points in a forthright manner or provide some direction for me as a viewer via the title of the composition. I'm completely capable and ready to view a contest or a creation from a different point of view but sometimes it helps if the author/creator gives me a helpful pointer. An example is in the Speed contest I ranked an image highly that showed a silhouette of a young girl standing--the caption was "Speed is Relative". Being a recently new first-time-father, this image took on a new poignency when I viewed the title as opposed to my initial gut reaction when I saw the photo.
If someone doesn't want to provide that help to me, then I try to be fair (as some can attest from my comments to them even in my own ignorance of how to interpret a composition). I assume the artist in those situations values his/her own creational integrity more than my ranking of the photo.
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07/09/2003 01:46:52 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by kebmod54:
Why would the "night out" entry have to be in the dark to be considered a good photo. A night out for me is supper at about 7:00pm and home before the sun sets. |
LOL about the same here but last week I got a cool photo before it got dark of something and my husband got the same photo later in the evening. His was a much better representation of Night On the Town cause it was dark when he took it, so I submitted something that wasn't nearly as good cause I didn't want to have the same image as him. |
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07/09/2003 01:44:42 PM · #3 |
| on to positive shots, there is one I just LOVE, and think should be the clear winner this week for a night on the town, do each of you usually feel that way about one photo per week (one thats not your own)? |
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07/09/2003 01:44:06 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by alexmfin:
I have to agree. Just looked over the thumbnails and I am already disspointed ... a couple of obligatory long exposure traffic shots, empty glaces, empty streets etc ... maybe one or two decent shots, but no 10s.
I didn't submit anything for this one, I admit. I also do not intend to rate any of the submissions, which is why I am expressing my opinion here. I also dont want to rate this challenge since vast majority of the entries are uninteresting rubbish.
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Shall we crown you troll of the week for this? Come on don't be so dang negative until you have taken the time to view every single entry in its fullsize not just the little thumbnails. Thumbnails are very misleading at the very most.
If you have so much power and ability to complain about the night on the town images where is your entry? At least those of us who entered might not have the best of shots but then again we weren't afriad to enter. Many of us spent time to create what you just called rubbish, and might I suggest in the future before you set out to offend a lot of people, you at least spend enough time to take a photo and enter then and only then will you have the right to call any photo rubbish! You see we don't have the ability to call your night on the town entry trash as you just did to all of us, next time at least put your own work on the line before you critize, in other words...
"DON'T DO THE TALK IF YOU CAN'T DO THE WALK"
or maybe you will understand this better...
"PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS"
and if you still don't understand in street terms...
"PUT UP OR SHUT UP"
Geeshhh at least when I complain I have an entry!!!!
I'm sorry everyone but I just don't think that remark he made was called for when he can't submit to the challenge and has only looked at thumbnails! |
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07/09/2003 01:23:52 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by alexmfin:
I also dont want to rate this challenge since vast majority of the entries are uninteresting rubbish. |
Ya know, I noticed you bashing the speed entries like this, when you've only offered two fairly average entries to any challenges, and not to anything for a couple of weeks. If everything has gotten so damn crappy, then why aren't you putting yourself out on a limb raking in all the ribbons??? Hey, it's one thing to voice an opinion about the overall quality of the challenge, but if you aren't going to enter, then all your criticism seems a little highhanded and hypocrytical.
Edit: OK, I just saw that your speed entry got DQed for technical reasons, so maybe I overreacted on that front. But last night I went back over all the complaints about the quality of the speed entries, and most of those who complained either didn't enter or had entries that were mostly mediocre or worse...
And, while Mag is right about the first hour scores, there does seem to be even a sharper drop than normal today, at least based on the comments. My own drop has only been about .3 points, but then I started out just above 5, so a load of 1 votes wouldn't hit me as hard as Mavrik and the others up in the 6s (especially Bryskyd - man, that's a brutal plunge!). I'm not ready to yell conspiracy, but it's definitely a discouraging phenomonon...
And, my shot was at night, and as a dad, it was our family's "night on the town", but with some of the comments here, I'm wondering if some people are going to think it has to be a club scene type shot to fit. I haven't gone through the entries yet, so I'll reserve judgement....
Message edited by author 2003-07-09 13:31:11. |
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07/09/2003 12:43:08 PM · #6 |
Why would the "night out" entry have to be in the dark to be considered a good photo. A night out for me is supper at about 7:00pm and home before the sun sets.
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07/09/2003 12:29:02 PM · #7 |
When you travel 1500-2000 miles to take picture of something historic and one of the most beautiful places of the world,and you try hard to take the whole picture,to tell the whole story,then you get the comments:
too much sun
overexposed areas
noisy
too dark....
It is very discoraging...
Oh well,life is tough!
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07/09/2003 12:03:56 PM · #8 |
I have to agree. Just looked over the thumbnails and I am already disspointed ... a couple of obligatory long exposure traffic shots, empty glaces, empty streets etc ... maybe one or two decent shots, but no 10s.
I didn't submit anything for this one, I admit. I also do not intend to rate any of the submissions, which is why I am expressing my opinion here. I also dont want to rate this challenge since vast majority of the entries are uninteresting rubbish.
It appears that ever since "Country Life" challenge quality just plummeted or it is just me?
Originally posted by SharQ:
Yeah.. I ended up giving like 50 2s (for the ones not fitting the challenge), a bunch of 5s (for the ones that did but were shite), some sevens and an eight.
This is actually pretty sad. C'mon,. DPC! you can do better than this! |
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07/09/2003 11:54:35 AM · #9 |
the score immediately after the challenge opens is RARELY if ever indicative of the final score. that's why i dont recommend looking at it right then :)
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07/09/2003 11:13:25 AM · #10 |
same here guys... i went from a 6.7 last night to a 5.4 this morning :(
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07/09/2003 11:11:22 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Well in "good news" all those Monday morning voters got me down from 6.5 to 5.77 |
This is so interesting. After the same people voted a lot of us dropped significantly. I went from a 6.4 last night to a 5.7 this morning. My husband's and my scores very often rise and fall at the same times too. Not to say this is bad or wrong, voters can vote any way they want, it's just interesting. |
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07/09/2003 10:57:20 AM · #12 |
| This voting is crazy I had a 6+ last night and now Im down to a 3.9.. The one comment I got was that mine did not fit the challenge, which of course it does.. people score way too low for not fitting the challenge, Night on the Town can mean so many things.. as long as the photo is at night (in my opinion a big factor), and a photo of something involving or involved in a night on the town, it fits perfectly.. people need to stop being so darn mean.. |
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07/09/2003 10:03:22 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Well in "good news" all those Monday morning voters got me down from 6.5 to 5.77 |
Ive just had the same effect, dropping 6.2 (20 votes) -> 5.6 (40 votes). Interestingly I dont see it when I start at a lower score. Its like a group of folks are logging on and giving everything a flat 5. Maybe D&L could get a statistician to analyse voting patterns (there has got to be a PhD thesis in there somewhere). |
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07/09/2003 09:37:14 AM · #14 |
I have to agree with several of the other posts that some photos just didn't add up to the "Night on the town" challenge. I gave several twos for this reason while most were 5 and the top end was a nine. Still there were several very good shots that I truely enjoyed.
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07/09/2003 08:55:31 AM · #15 |
ekkk me too down from 5.4 to 4.8
2 coments though unfortunaly the same thing one commenter prased another marked against me....
:::shrugg:::
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Message edited by author 2003-07-09 08:56:20.
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07/09/2003 08:52:38 AM · #16 |
Well in "good news" all those Monday morning voters got me down from 6.5 to 5.77
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07/09/2003 08:44:01 AM · #17 |
Night on the town can be portrayed in many different ways. Like the challenge says "and anything in between". For me, a night out is any leisure activity done after I get off work and if I had to be more precise (in the PM hours). In some form or another, most of the shots submitted will fit the challenge.
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07/09/2003 06:10:54 AM · #18 |
| You people are rude....interpretation of any challenge....is ones own..Quality of Picture...is utmost....I have never given a 2.... ever...this site has lost something in the last few months...and I see that in people leaving........... |
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07/09/2003 05:54:25 AM · #19 |
I wasn't sure whether to enter anything for this challenge. I'm not very happy with the shot I took and thought it could be placed very low against the rest - but after seeing the competition I'm a bit more confident.
There were some very obvious shoehorns this time around - I'd have thought "night on the town" was fairly clear. If your responses is "But I don't/can't go out on the town" then we don't want to see a picture of what you do instead. Set something up to seem like a night on the town or skip the challenge!
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07/09/2003 04:14:34 AM · #20 |
Yeah.. I ended up giving like 50 2s (for the ones not fitting the challenge), a bunch of 5s (for the ones that did but were shite), some sevens and an eight.
This is actually pretty sad. C'mon,. DPC! you can do better than this!
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07/09/2003 03:07:47 AM · #21 |
| Just looked through the 'Night on the Town' entries, IMO very few fit the challenge. No flowers though! :{> |
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07/09/2003 03:01:28 AM · #22 |
| I have already screened 47 pics (taking a break right now), and commented on 18 of them - usually, I just comment on images that are more than Ok (which, to me, is at least a 7). The lowest I have given so far is a 4. Am I being too lenient, or is the quality of entries in this batch particularly compelling? There is so much talent in here that viewing the pictures on the site (including outside challenges) has become sort of an "addiction" for me. |
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07/09/2003 01:24:34 AM · #23 |
Well, I'm glad to know I am not going to break my average too badly, I will continue to do poorly, looks like.
That would bother me less if I had even one comment, though I have my suspicions of at least one cause of the low scores. Hopefully by the time this closes, I will either have a better score, or some comments. (Both would be nice. But I suspect the comments are the more realistic hope....) |
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07/09/2003 01:19:24 AM · #24 |
yeap a roller coaster it just went back up again
Votes: 13
Avg Vote: 4.0000
Comments: 0
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07/09/2003 01:15:51 AM · #25 |
Warning! do not rush home, Try to download 25 NEF files with 15 min. to go...Pick the worst one and toss it online with only ten seconds...I should not have! I deserve what I am getting and if someone would please figure out which one is mine and then challenge it...maybe I'll get lucky and it will just go away with all the "What were you thinking?" comments. LOL
Message edited by author 2003-07-09 01:16:10. |
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