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12/23/2005 11:52:35 PM · #1
I believe in santa I live in Iceland .. ice
12/23/2005 11:49:47 PM · #2
Shamrock. Well said. I never actually knew what a yule log was, but I had heard of it from other places. I know that Evergreen trees decorated with gold and silver is mentioned in the book of Samuel in the Bible though as part of false worship. How you view this depends on your view of the Bible though - and that's not the topic of this thread.

I find it very funny actually that the idea of santa coming down a chimney comes from a European story about a thief who did such. The leaving of trinkets and gifts by the fireplace may have had the idea of appeasing him to not take too much from the house or harm the occupants.

I would have thought that a big fire would have worked better... ;)

Agreed, celebrate what you wish, just don't delude yourself with ideas like "I'm celebrating Jesus Christ's birthday" (I thought it was accepted to have been in the early-mid fall? death in early-mid spring? - unimportant in this discussion) or "christmas = Mass of Christ" when there is a great deal of available information available.

Like I said, for myself to find out the facts merely took casually thumbing through an encyclopedia one weekend.

Anyone else can do the same.

That having been said, I appreciate magical moments as much as the next person. Early springtime mornings, the silence and mystique of a city blanketed in snow, a beautiful navel, the delicate flavor of a freshly picked strawberry, just a little too green because you couldn't wait....

... and being totally surprised by gifts from parents that are well-thought out and presented as well as anticipating parties and fun events in the household. Didn't need christmas for that.

Message edited by author 2005-12-24 00:37:05.
12/23/2005 08:01:21 PM · #3
John and I were talking about this earlier this evening. We agreed that there was nothing like waking up on Christmas morning and feeling that heavy sack on the end of the bed and knowing that HE had been while you were asleep. The delight in trying to guess what was in each lumpy parcel and turning on the light and opening each present, eating chocolate and satsumas at 4am and anticipating all the fun that would be happening during the day ahead. It was a magical feeling that stays with us 50 years on. The only thing to match it, was seeing the magic again with our own children. I hope we will enjoy it in the future with our grandchildren.

Santa lives on!

Merry Christmas Everyone!
12/23/2005 08:01:18 PM · #4
John and I were talking about this earlier this evening. We agreed that there was nothing like waking up on Christmas morning and feeling that heavy sack on the end of the bed and knowing that HE had been while you were asleep. The delight in trying to guess what was in each lumpy parcel and turning on the light and opening each present, eating chocolate and satsumas at 4am and anticipating all the fun that would be happening during the day ahead. It was a magical feeling that stays with us 50 years on. The only thing to match it, was seeing the magic again with our own children. I hope we will enjoy it in the future with our grandchildren.

Santa lives on!

Merry Christmas Everyone!
12/23/2005 07:58:14 PM · #5
I still remember: we were driving down the main downtown street, all decorated with tinsel and I told my mom that a fellow 2nd grader at school had said that Santa got stuck in a chimney and died. She went into a long spiel about the spirit of Christmas, and I was so crushed, I cried all the way home. I wish she'd lied.
12/23/2005 07:42:05 PM · #6
I stopped belieiving in Santa after I bursted through the door of my parents bedroom on christmas morning, and saw my stepdad giving my mom his 'candy cane'.

Soon after, I started to experiment with drugs. Maybe to try and to recapture the fantasy of Santa.

Now I just drink my self to a HO HO HO state during the holidays, and I make sure my bedroom door is locked on christmas day.
12/23/2005 06:48:15 PM · #7
Originally posted by dassilem:

And I do not have to keep quiet because you don't want to hear my Christmas music. I am putting up a CHRISTMAS TREE, not a Holiday Tree....I will be celebrating Jesus Christ, and enjoying the wonderment of Santa. I quote the musician Kenny G. (Jewish) He has released 2 Holiday albums. As he writes, he 'acknowleges that some Christmastime music is the most beautiful music written and it would be a loss not to share this remarkable music'

So, Merry Christmas to all who wish to accept my sincere sentiment... Have a nice day to those who don't.


A Christmas tree, eh? You mean that ancient pagan tradition of the Yule log, right? Which was co-opted, along with the date of December 25, to help bring pagans more easily into the fold of Catholicism. Most of the ceremonial activities associated with the Mass of Christ are in fact holdovers from Pagan ceremonies and festivals. Don't even get me started on Easter. Which falls much closer on the calendar to the actual birthdate of Jesus, btw.

*sigh* Celebrate how you wish, so long as it harms none. But don't overlook the fact that *your* holiday was build on another, and expect everyone to allow you the conceit of claiming it for your own, ignoring the traditions that came before or even the ones that have been established since.

edit to note: I'm not a Pagan, nor am i a Catholic. I consider myself agnostic, and if i had to identify with a religion to feel complete, i'd most likely be a Buddhist. One that is sick and tired of individuals declaring their beliefs superior and clamoring to shut everyone else up.

Message edited by author 2005-12-23 19:06:45.
12/23/2005 05:02:59 PM · #8
I don't remember when I quit believing but we had three children and at any point in time where they indicated they no longer believed I would say "He(She) who does not believe, does not receive." Funny thing, they claimed to believe until they left home and went out on their own...
12/23/2005 05:00:20 PM · #9
He's not Real?
12/23/2005 04:58:53 PM · #10
This was on the radio yesterday:

There are 3 stages of Santa

Stage 1: I believe in Santa
Stage 2: I do not believe in Santa
Stage 3: I am Santa
12/23/2005 03:58:26 PM · #11
Originally posted by sher9204:

i hardly think that allowing your child to believe in Santa Claus equates to a crime. it's pretty obvious in watching the nightly news that there are far worse things that could befall a child in this day and age.


Allowing your child to believe in Santa is just fine.
Forcing your child to continue to believe in Santa is not.

I realize my post was a little out of context in this thread--I wrote it in response to another thread that was locked because the topic was somewhat similar and the title was the same. In that thread, the OP stated that her neighbors were blaming her 13 year old daughter for spoiling Christmas for their child because she told the other kid that Santa wasn't real.
12/23/2005 03:54:05 PM · #12
Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by Ennil:

Never believed...


....and yet you live where the "real" Saint Nick comes from: "Santa is a variant of a European folk tale based on the historical figure Saint Nicholas, a bishop from present-day Turkey, who gave presents to the poor." Hmmmmm....interesting.


Actually he gave money to three sisters so that they can get married and be able to take care of themselves after the death of their father. But they stole Nick from us, damn those italiens.
12/23/2005 03:40:35 PM · #13
i hardly think that allowing your child to believe in Santa Claus equates to a crime. it's pretty obvious in watching the nightly news that there are far worse things that could befall a child in this day and age.

i've never understood how we throw Harry Potter, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc., at children and then get bent out of shape because they believe in Santa Claus for a little while.

i say let a child be a child and do everything you can to help foster a child's imagination and creativity. they will grow up and become jaded about far too many things fast enough...no need to push them.
12/23/2005 03:26:46 PM · #14
A few years ago my daughter asked if Santa was real. I told her that I had quit beliving in Santa years ago, and that when I did I no longer got any presents under the tree from Santa anymore. Upon reflection she decided that she might still belive in Santa after all.

Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshiper who sold his soul to Santa?
12/23/2005 03:13:11 PM · #15
Originally posted by Ennil:

Never believed...


....and yet you live where the "real" Saint Nick comes from: "Santa is a variant of a European folk tale based on the historical figure Saint Nicholas, a bishop from present-day Turkey, who gave presents to the poor." Hmmmmm....interesting.
12/23/2005 03:07:08 PM · #16
Never believed...
12/23/2005 03:02:30 PM · #17
We grew up relatively poor (in a third world country), so Santa wishes and church prayers were pretty much the same thing, except one was seasonal. We *believed*, but concluded that Santa handled the western hemisphere and Father Christmas handled the eastern. Father Christmas was a bit strapped for money and resources (he never seemed to have reindeer or elves either). I'm not making a political statement here, I'm just recalling my childhood point of view.
Since hope is one of the most powerful things in the universe, my mother taught us that we had to be the ones to keep the beliefs for those who were losing hope. I have fond memories of sneaking about, leaving things at people's doorsteps. :))

Anyway, all things being equal, I believe in the preciousness of hope and in the fun of an unexpected gift. And if that means I believe in Santa Claus/Father Christmas, then by golly, I do!!!
12/23/2005 02:57:54 PM · #18
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Please accept with no obligation....


Love it !!
12/23/2005 02:30:35 PM · #19
Slippy, can I copy that and hand it out at Wal-Mart? And to all the xmas grinches?
:)
12/23/2005 02:29:18 PM · #20
Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, nonaddictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holidays, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great, (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, sexual preference, or choice of camera brand of the wishee.

By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law. It is also revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher.

This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.

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-edit this isn't my material, but I thought it fit well with the retentive nature of a few ppl here, and would amuse the rest. :-P

Message edited by author 2005-12-23 14:33:21.
12/23/2005 02:12:07 PM · #21
Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by KaDi:

People who continue to try to keep the myth about Santa "real" to their children are guilty of some of the worst crimes a parent can commit!


I think children should be sent to work straight from the womb so they get a sense of the real world! No goofing around on someone else's dime.


""Are there no prisons?" said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with
his own words. "Are there no workhouses?""
12/23/2005 01:27:38 PM · #22
Originally posted by eschelar:


While I'm not a "pagan" myself, I found it interesting that when I worked at a health food store with about 1/3 or more of the employees describing themselves as "pagan", when they requested gently to restrict christmas music to just the one day instead of the entire month, management responded by telling them not to "shove their religion down other people's throats".


And I do not have to keep quiet because you don't want to hear my Christmas music. I am putting up a CHRISTMAS TREE, not a Holiday Tree....I will be celebrating Jesus Christ, and enjoying the wonderment of Santa. I quote the musician Kenny G. (Jewish) He has released 2 Holiday albums. As he writes, he 'acknowleges that some Christmastime music is the most beautiful music written and it would be a loss not to share this remarkable music'

So, Merry Christmas to all who wish to accept my sincere sentiment... Have a nice day to those who don't.
12/23/2005 01:10:35 PM · #23
Originally posted by KaDi:

People who continue to try to keep the myth about Santa "real" to their children are guilty of some of the worst crimes a parent can commit!


I think children should be sent to work straight from the womb so they get a sense of the real world! No goofing around on someone else's dime.
12/23/2005 01:07:51 PM · #24
Originally posted by mesmeraj:

Originally posted by KaDi:


2. They instill false beliefs...and if Santa isn't real then what's next, god?


I fail to see why a child questioning God is a problem. A child learns by asking questions. It is healthy to question others spiritual beliefs, it is how a child forms thier own.


To clarify, I was trying to say that children should question beliefs--Santa, God, Easter Bunny, etc. By telling children it is wrong to discuss these things with their peers, parents send the message that belief is received (from them). When the child eventually decides that there is no Santa, the logical conclusion is that the parents' beliefs have little credibility--they lied to me about Santa, maybe they're lying to me about God, too.
12/23/2005 12:53:34 PM · #25
Originally posted by KaDi:


2. They instill false beliefs...and if Santa isn't real then what's next, god?


I fail to see why a child questioning God is a problem. A child learns by asking questions. It is healthy to question others spiritual beliefs, it is how a child forms thier own.
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