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12/02/2005 05:19:09 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by DannyM:
It depends a lot on the challenge. |
Indeed. I had a 6.251 that placed 96% and a 6.284 (higher) that placed 21%.. Now THAT'S a spread! |
I checked out that 21% photo. The first Master's free study challenge. Only the five last photos scored less than 6.0. An anomaly. Free study challenges generally bring out the best in folks.
Message edited by author 2005-12-02 17:21:05. |
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12/02/2005 03:53:30 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by DannyM:
It depends a lot on the challenge. |
Indeed. I had a 6.251 that placed 96% and a 6.284 (higher) that placed 21%.. Now THAT'S a spread! |
I agree. Numeric score gives answer to question "Did they like it?", percentage gives answer to "How I did comparing to others that submitted?". Both questions are valid, both answers are interesting. |
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12/02/2005 03:39:26 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by DannyM:
It depends a lot on the challenge. |
Indeed. I had a 6.251 that placed 96% and a 6.284 (higher) that placed 21%.. Now THAT'S a spread! |
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12/02/2005 03:30:54 PM · #4 |
| It depends a lot on the challenge. I have two entries that scored only .04 pts apart yet one was 46% and the other was 86%. |
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12/02/2005 03:24:35 PM · #5 |
I am sincerely glad to end up having average score in the challenge. Most of people submitting photos are serious about photography, so it is far from being bad to leave half of them in the dust :)
OK, it's much better to get higher place though...
I agree with those stating the % presentation of results is more informal. |
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12/02/2005 03:19:08 PM · #6 |
I took a screenshot early on the morning of 11/30, when my scores were:
Adulthood
4.3971
10 comments
Industrial
4.3889
1 comment
At least one time, I've briefly had two photos with the same score. |
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12/02/2005 03:10:45 PM · #7 |
what I meant by 5 may not actually be average is it may not be the mathematical average.
If you have 100 members and 75% of them score 4 or below then a scoreof 5 would put you in the top 25% of the photographers on the site (these numbers are fictitous, used just for example).
So by having an average score of 5 you may not actually be just an "average" photographer, you may be much higher than that :) |
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12/02/2005 02:36:32 PM · #8 |
As far as voting goes, I use the whole scale. I give about as many 10s as I do 1s.
As for my scores, as I have said before, I am the master of the average photo. Most of my photos have scored in the low to mid 5s with few comments. Usually my bell curve of scoring more resembles a bell "spike". My "Your Corner of the World" entry has a staggering 86% of the votes as 4,5 or 6.
At least I'm consistent. |
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12/02/2005 01:52:29 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I don't give out as many 1-3 as I do 8-10, but the scale is 1-10 and it is a bit silly not to use the bottom end "just because". |
i tend to agree... someone suggested none of the free study photos deserved less than a 5 and when i was voting i thought to myself "how could anyone give this higher than a 4?"
sure, it's all subjective, but i think there are some who limit their votes to the 5-10 range just to keep from hurting someone's feelings. me, i like it best when my votes on a challenge average out to the bell curve. a few highs, a few lows, but certainly the entire spectrum.
in this, like mr roflmao, i tend to pay more attention to my percentile score than the the avg vote. sure, my free study score might be # 3 or 4 in my list, but percentile? doubt i make 50%...
if i compete against my betters, i'll improve much faster than if i only compete against myself...
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12/02/2005 01:47:02 PM · #10 |
| I vary quite a lot. How about your procentual rank in challenges? From last 10 challenges my best is 70% (64/208) and worst 5% (253/267). Although I do wish I varied even more.. you know which way. |
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12/02/2005 01:28:43 PM · #11 |
I agree that the only rule of "correct" voting is to vote 100%. After that, you can do whatever you want. I don't give out as many 1-3 as I do 8-10, but the scale is 1-10 and it is a bit silly not to use the bottom end "just because". I think I've actually gotten softer as I've been here longer. My average score given has risen in the last month from about a 5.2 to a 5.5. I think that's a significant jump when we are talking a few thousand votes.
It doesn't matter though. If you vote the whole challenge it all evens out and the worst it does is raise or lower the average score for the whole challenge. |
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12/02/2005 01:06:21 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
There is no such thing as voting wrongly but PLEASE leave a reason if you vote a 3 or lower. |
I agree and disagree. I think there's no way to vote wrongly if you vote on ALL the pictures in the challenge. As long as you're going to vote on all the images, you can give all the ones you don't like a 1 and all the ones you do like a 2, and that would be fine as long as you do it equally to every image. However, if you were to vote in that manner, and you only voted on the minimum percentage of images, then you would hurt all the pictures you voted on.
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12/02/2005 01:29:17 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
I give out maybe one 1-3 vote in a challenge, and about a 1/4 of my votes are 8-10. 5&6 make up the majority for me.
There is no such thing as voting wrongly but PLEASE leave a reason if you vote a 3 or lower. If you can't justify a low vote to the photog, you shouldnt be making it. |
Maybe I have bad taste, or maybe there are plenty of good photos because I tend to enjoy looking and voting each photo, and some got me thinking "this guy is funny". Maybe I should try submit a challenge too someday. |
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12/02/2005 01:27:57 AM · #14 |
| Would be interesting to know what the overall average score given is (counting voters who voted on at least 5 challenges) |
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12/02/2005 01:24:24 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by megatherian:
is 5 really average around here though? I'd be willing to bet 1,2,3's are given out much more often than 8,9,10's. This place scores HARD and can be very finicky. I have no evidence to support my theory but my feeling is that a 5 is actually above average around these parts. |
So am I voting wrongly by giving out so many above 5 votes? Please advise, thanks. |
nope.
I give out maybe one 1-3 vote in a challenge, and about a 1/4 of my votes are 8-10. 5&6 make up the majority for me.
There is no such thing as voting wrongly but PLEASE leave a reason if you vote a 3 or lower. If you can't justify a low vote to the photog, you shouldnt be making it.
edit because i cant count (shuddup mav)
Message edited by author 2005-12-02 01:25:27. |
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12/02/2005 01:20:49 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by megatherian:
is 5 really average around here though? I'd be willing to bet 1,2,3's are given out much more often than 8,9,10's. This place scores HARD and can be very finicky. I have no evidence to support my theory but my feeling is that a 5 is actually above average around these parts. |
So am I voting wrongly by giving out so many above 5 votes? Please advise, thanks. |
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12/02/2005 01:20:19 AM · #17 |
| i can do a 4.8 to a 6.8 in under 10 days. I'd say i swing either way! |
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12/02/2005 01:16:34 AM · #18 |
| You need to get through at least ten challenges and then look for a general trend if you care about the scores. I may be one of just a few who think that, in the context of a challenge, the percentile where you finish is more telling than the numerical score. |
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12/02/2005 12:12:24 AM · #19 |
I'm at 4.7..no comments either. and I really like my entry. I had no dilusions of getting a ribbon with it, but dang..... I was figuring mid 5's anyway.
Also, not in any other current challenges.
Message edited by author 2005-12-02 00:12:47. |
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12/01/2005 11:25:12 PM · #20 |
My free study entry is at 4.37... no comments either, I wish someone would tell me what's wrong with it at least
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12/01/2005 11:10:24 PM · #21 |
I give a 5 for effort if I think it's an average shot. Not meeting the challenge will get you a 1-3 from me, and tickling my fancy will get you a 7-10. If it meets the challenge, but it's kinda boring, and there's nothing special about it but still nothing wrong with it, I give it a 5.
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12/01/2005 10:41:37 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by megatherian:
is 5 really average around here though? I'd be willing to bet 1,2,3's are given out much more often than 8,9,10's. This place scores HARD and can be very finicky. I have no evidence to support my theory but my feeling is that a 5 is actually above average around these parts. |
I would say a 5 is the basic starting point. From there you weigh factors. So to me, if I get a 5 on an entry, to me it is saying that it isn't a bad photo, but not grand enough to "that particular person" to meet their personal expectations of a 6 or above. However, on the other hand, it also didn't meet their expectations of what deserved below a 5, so it is an average score really.
A 5 is the average score I give, as I said, and I go from there. I have given out below that though to some images. Usually my reasoning is based on each individual challenge, and if I find the subject matter distasteful, or built on social or political views, or just plain not creative, or even too artsy fartsy. I usually give 6's and 7's if the subject interests me and I find the technical ability above average. I give 8's to those that I feel just fall short in some way or another, depending on challenge, of what I feel deserves the 9's and 10's. For 9's, I usually base that on falling short by one point of a 10 in either lighting, or cropping, or subject being just a bit more far away then I care it to be, etc. And of course, my 10's is what I give to those I find the most appealing and flawless. Sometimes they aren't even flawless, but something superceeds it, like the subject matter being rare, or just off the hook in lighting or contrast or composition, etc.
I also tend to score during roll over, so the next day, when I am more refreshed and have time, I go back and usually do a lot of bumping up of scores. RARELY, do I bump down. Don't think I have yet actually. Just today I bumped up some 9's to 10s, some 8's to 9's, etc. I did this all the way down to the 6's I had placed. The rest of my voting I am happy with now.
Some people have their favorites. Mine? I happen to love the truly great landscapes and macros. I tend to fall short of enjoying anything artsy fartsy, nudes, people in photos to depict a theme (as I feel sometimes others may know who they are on here and give away anonymity), and emotional views or political or social views.
In any case, I would say that a 5 is the middle of the road. Just average, but nothing to be ashamed of. Usually there is good reason aside from just being an average shot to fall below or even above that margin. So if I get a 5 in a challenge, and it just so happens to put me in the 100th place out of 147 entries, I am still happy with it.
Set personal goals. Then anything more is a bonus. Anything less, you will only be competing with yourself. And competing with one's self is much more of a challenge then trying to compete with others in some cases, and much more satisfying then a ribbon if you reach that goal.
Rose
Message edited by author 2005-12-01 22:50:06. |
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12/01/2005 10:28:35 PM · #23 |
| My first four were: 5.564, 5.561, 5.521, 5.350 & my present one in free study is sitting at 5.7387 so far. that is pretty consistent, but I would rather be going up! |
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12/01/2005 10:24:38 PM · #24 |
| is 5 really average around here though? I'd be willing to bet 1,2,3's are given out much more often than 8,9,10's. This place scores HARD and can be very finicky. I have no evidence to support my theory but my feeling is that a 5 is actually above average around these parts. |
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12/01/2005 10:24:29 PM · #25 |
Mine all floated at 5.2 to 5.3 for about 2 days straight. Nearly identical to each other. It was strange.
Study is now close to a 5.9 and started at a borish 4ish..LOL.and for that shot that was ridiculous, so I am glad to see it climbing. My adulthood is down to a 4.8 and started in the 5.3/5.4 range but it was a fly by night entry which could have been done better had I not been so jumpy to enter, and my collections is at a 5.0, but I know I could have done that one better lighting wise.
So all in all I am satisfied, since my personal goal is a 5.5 with the shots I truly know are good. For Free Study I literally pulled my original shot that sat for a few weeks and traded it with another that was hardly touched for editing at all - and in the last hour before deadline, I entered it. I just did a quick one click on it for an edit and through it in place of the other and said "what the hell". I let it fly or fall. It is turning out to be my best entry yet of all challenge scores.
One never knows, but so far, I am pleased. My last two challenges were in a nice range for ability and camera. Not a bad start. When I upgrade to a Rebel next year, I intend to be quite more competitive.
Rose
Message edited by author 2005-12-01 22:54:14. |
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