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10/22/2005 12:13:10 AM · #1 |
My Fuji 602 was SLR-like. A long zoom range, you can add filters, TC convterters or wide angle converters, had a hotshoe, full manual capability.
For some this may be sufficient.
What it lacked compared to a dSLR is instant shutter response, too much noise and higher ISO, no TTL dedicated flash. On many images, particularly on the web, there is very little quality difference. But on others, the difference is absolutely huge.
Then there is the psychological part. |
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10/21/2005 11:05:37 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
This is what you can kiss if you disagree with me. :-P |
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10/21/2005 07:59:27 PM · #3 |
| My top scoring two pictures and my only ribbon were taken before I got my DSLR, so while I can do a whole lot more with my new camera, my sense of design, style and what makes me a photographer is not just my fancy hardware. My two cents. |
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10/21/2005 07:49:23 PM · #4 |
Well thanks for all making my night lol. I just took a bunch of shots the past 2 days and quite a few came out really good. Won't post because I may be using them for a current challenge. My husband is amazing with a regular camera and he complimented me on a few of the shots I took. So I MUST be doing something right lol. I'm gaining some skills hehe.
Well what about SLR-LIKE cameras? I'm seeing a lot of them online and sample pics with them- i use dpreview. I've got it narrowed down to a few now. I was going to sell my p&s to a friend, but after reading all these replies I'm wondering if I should just keep it. Is an "SLR-Like" camera similar to a p&s?
As you can see I'm all new to this. Up until a few weeks ago I was just taking pics of my daughter, nothing creative or artsy really. Not even trying to be that way. Now I am lol. |
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10/21/2005 07:24:11 PM · #5 |
Dont' feel bad.....I got a little Kodak CX4200 and I feel like poor camera trailer trash!! He, he!!
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10/21/2005 07:16:47 PM · #6 |
I've entered 43 challenges on DPC. Roughly half of my challenge entries were done with my Olympus C-8080 "point and shoot" (actually, I object to the term "point and shoot", but that's besides the point). Then I got a Canon Digital Rebel XT, and roughly half of my challenge entries were done with it.
My top three scoring photos were all taken with my dSLR. Here is the first one:
This would have been physically impossible to take with my Olympus. I used a super-wide lens (10mm) that my Olympus could not have come close to.
Here is my second highest scoring photo:
For this shot I stood very far from my model to make the sun appear large relative to her and used a 200mm focal length to fill the frame with her and the sun. Although my Olympus doesn't come close to this focal length, I could have used the Olympus and stood the same distance from my model to get the same effect. Only difference is that I would have had to crop the hell out of the picture to get the desired composition. Would I have lost too much image quality in doing the extreme crop? Maybe.
Here is my third highest scoring photo:
This was done in my kitchen at home on a tripod. I feel confident that this could have easily been done with my Olympus. In fact, it may have turned out better with the Olympus, since it has a deeper depth of field.
What's my point? I'm just saying that some shots you can only get with a dSLR, other shots you can get with either type of camera, and still other shots fall somewhere in between. And I think it's noteworthy that my highest scoring shots were all taken with the dSLR. Is it because of the camera, or because my skills have improved? Don't know. Maybe a little of each. |
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10/21/2005 06:24:36 PM · #7 |
BTW, I won both my ribbons with P&S cameras, but I have yet to win anything with my 350D.
Oh, wait, I have yet to enter anything from my 350D.
Sorry, bad example... |
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10/21/2005 06:21:23 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
This is what you can kiss if you disagree with me. :-P |
DSLR or P&S? ;)
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10/21/2005 05:59:23 PM · #9 |
 dSLR
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 P&S, hey, it's tough to follow action in my little window, then there's a delay when I shoot. :-P
 dSLR
No P&S comparison available, because a P&S couldn't get through the cage in front of the eagle, not even with the hokey manual focus. :-P Joey used X-ray powers & made the cage disappear, it's just freaky!
This is what you can kiss if you disagree with me. :-P
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10/21/2005 03:54:01 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by mkalandros:
Maryba,
You've got an 8700 -- what do you think of the its performance at ISO 400?
BTW, have you noticed any problems with the way the 8700 renders purples? My shots of purple objects tend to have a bluish tint to them. Not sure if its simply an imprecise white balance that shows up one this color in particular or what is going on. |
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I rarely switch from ISO 50 on the Coolpix. Most of my photos are on stationary objects in the early morning/late afternoon. Maybe I am colorblind-but I seem to get a lot of complaints from dpc'ers about yellows.
My main problem with the Nikon coolpix is the limited aperature range and control of depth of field. If I want to take a photograph at f2 or f22, I switch to my film camera.
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10/21/2005 03:42:40 PM · #11 |
 
I was using a Fuji S602z, a step above a P&S and then the Deja Vu challenge showed me unequivocally that i needed to move on up to a dSLR.
I still have my trusty old Fuji 1400z though!
Message edited by author 2005-10-21 15:44:34. |
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10/21/2005 03:06:36 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by mkalandros:
Thus DSLRs DO have some benefit over P&S cameras. That being said, I don't think you will necessarily take better pictures -- that's more the photographer than anything else, as any ribbon winner with a P&S camera can attest. What you get with a DSLR is the ability to take good shots under a wider range of conditions (e.g. low light) and some creative shots (e.g. long exposures at f22) that you wouldn't be able to get with most P&S cameras. |
Hah, why you're trying to suck & blow at the same time, I don't know. The advantage is huge! Half the pics I try to take my camera simply cannot handle due to the 'narrower range of conditions' it can shoot in. That limits me a full 100%, huge, huge, huge!
I don't know why some people can't just admit that there is a HUGE difference. Oh sure, let's compare shots of a tree in easy conditions, that's meaningless.
What taboo is being broken by saying the difference is HUGE! C'mon, admit it!
:-P
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10/21/2005 03:05:35 PM · #13 |
Maryba,
You've got an 8700 -- what do you think of the its performance at ISO 400?
BTW, have you noticed any problems with the way the 8700 renders purples? My shots of purple objects tend to have a bluish tint to them. Not sure if its simply an imprecise white balance that shows up one this color in particular or what is going on. |
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10/21/2005 02:15:53 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by mkalandros:
//www.imaging-resource.com has all sorts of fixed comparisons of different cameras. For example here is a picture from a Nikon Coolpix 8700 at ISO 400 (warning: large image):
//www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/CP8700/FULLRES/CP87INI400.HTM
and the Nikon D50 SLR at ISO 400 (again, large image):
//www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D50/FULLRES/D50INI0400.HTM
I don't know what his other settings were (shutter speed, aperature, etc.), but the exposure looks similar, so they are probably pretty close. Its obvious that the D50 has an advantage in noise levels under these conditions. Additionally, the D50 goes up to ISO 1600 and still has better noise levels than the Coolpix at ISO 400. Thus DSLRs DO have some benefit over P&S cameras. That being said, I don't think you will necessarily take better pictures -- that's more the photographer than anything else, as any ribbon winner with a P&S camera can attest. What you get with a DSLR is the ability to take good shots under a wider range of conditions (e.g. low light) and some creative shots (e.g. long exposures at f22) that you wouldn't be able to get with most P&S cameras. |
The photograph taken with the Coolpix 8700 should win a "bad" noise award. |
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10/21/2005 01:55:56 PM · #15 |
//www.imaging-resource.com has all sorts of fixed comparisons of different cameras. For example here is a picture from a Nikon Coolpix 8700 at ISO 400 (warning: large image):
//www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/CP8700/FULLRES/CP87INI400.HTM
and the Nikon D50 SLR at ISO 400 (again, large image):
//www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D50/FULLRES/D50INI0400.HTM
I don't know what his other settings were (shutter speed, aperature, etc.), but the exposure looks similar, so they are probably pretty close. Its obvious that the D50 has an advantage in noise levels under these conditions. Additionally, the D50 goes up to ISO 1600 and still has better noise levels than the Coolpix at ISO 400. Thus DSLRs DO have some benefit over P&S cameras. That being said, I don't think you will necessarily take better pictures -- that's more the photographer than anything else, as any ribbon winner with a P&S camera can attest. What you get with a DSLR is the ability to take good shots under a wider range of conditions (e.g. low light) and some creative shots (e.g. long exposures at f22) that you wouldn't be able to get with most P&S cameras. |
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10/21/2005 01:43:24 PM · #16 |
Right now I have one entry each shot with my five year-old Olympus 2MP P&S and a Canon S1 IS 3MP middle-range camera in automatic mode.
Guess which one's scoring almost a full point higher ... : (
I shoot almost equal numbers with them -- I carry the Oly with me almost all the time, and use the Canon more when I'm on a "photo shoot" and not just taking pictures ... |
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10/21/2005 01:42:51 PM · #17 |
| Aw c'mon guys... Please let me live in my fantasy world until I can afford to upgrade!!! LOL |
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10/21/2005 01:38:22 PM · #18 |
| You're not alone. I started out with a Pentax P&S and then moved onto a Rebel with about 5 or 6 lenses. I always had a love/hate relationship with the Rebel (most times more towards hate I'll admit) when I decided to go back to P&S but with more features than my Pentax. After trying out about 5 cameras (one I bought and returned twice) I ended up with my little $400 Panasonic FZ5. I am thrilled with my choice. For ME it's the best option. I did pull out the Rebel this past weekend and took two similar shots, the FZ was much better IMO. My last 5 or so challenges have been with it and I've gotten more comments, almost all positive than I did with probably my last 10 Rebel entries. I know it's not all about DPC results but for me the P&S is the way to go. I find I focus more on the shot than what button to push and if I have the camera set right. I've had tons printed and I cannot tell the difference. The Rebel is sitting in my closet probably going to be sold along with the lenses. |
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10/21/2005 12:58:34 PM · #19 |
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10/21/2005 12:49:45 PM · #20 |
How is this for comparison?
Probabily not the best pictures for this but for me, the real difference is when you print them out. By resizing here, I think you loose some details.
edit: (removed pictures)
Message edited by author 2005-10-23 16:51:03. |
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10/21/2005 12:45:26 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I watched Joey get perfect focus on an eagle through a tightly gridded cage. No way in heck my P&S could come close to that. |
Nothing to do with dSLR. That was Joey using his special powers. Didn't you realise?
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10/21/2005 12:36:53 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I came away from that GTG knowing that dSLR users are actually at a huge advatage. Anybody telling you differently is spreading dSLR propaganda. |
I have a dSRL now and I know you are prefectly right!
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10/21/2005 12:29:20 PM · #23 |
Here's my camera. I manage to do pretty well with it.
But, after being to a GTG and doing lots of chimping with Joey while he was borrowing a fancy dSLR, I'd have to say that it is an extreme falsehood to say that, even for the purposes of DPC, SLR's have little advantage over point & shoots. I watched Joey get perfect focus on an eagle through a tightly gridded cage. No way in heck my P&S could come close to that. We were shooting a cat in low light & he was getting great shots, my camera couldn't handle the low light & I just got blurs & grain, even with my highest ISO setting & widest aperture. I won't even go into trying to get action shots.
I came away from that GTG knowing that dSLR users are actually at a huge advatage. Anybody telling you differently is spreading dSLR propaganda.
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10/21/2005 12:20:09 PM · #24 |
| WOW... That would be interesting to see... |
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10/21/2005 12:14:04 PM · #25 |
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