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 10/13/2005 09:31:43 PM · #1
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
Originally posted by rikki11:
Here's food for thought. In as much as I am happy about my highest rated score, I have to ask the question.

Is there no room for ABSTRACTS on DPC?





Hello Rikki,
First I love your photography.
Second your picture Burn is outstanding.
Third I get tired of the same old same old too.

And furthermore, quit complaining. I am lost to find a 6 let alone a 6.461 and 14th place. Sure I get frustrated too when I take something I put a lot of thought into and it just scrapes out a 5 or so. I have a picture now in the “Pride” challenge which nobody is getting which proves one they are not too up on current and contemporary photographers (which there is nothing wrong with, just a kick to get people to use Google.) or two they are so arrogant they can’t be bothered, in which case I am glad they are not commenting on my photograph.

As you can see I have a habit of complaining about my scores, I guess that just makes me a pissy little sensitive artist. LOL but I think you get what I mean. I will say this, I owe you an apology, with all the entries there are, sometimes I do not have the patience of someone like Judy (Jutilda) to go back and give a fair view of an image. I regret I may have done that with this one. I had given you a 5 and was going to go back and recheck some of my votes but forgot. I hope I wasn’t the reason you didn’t get into the top ten.

I hope you continue to create even abstracts for our enjoyment and hopefully for a mural in Donald Trump’s new building lobby someday, after I do, :) fair enough? Be well.

Michael


Michael-

On the contrary, I wasn't complaining about my scores. What I was merely alluding to was whether or not abstracts can really be received well in DPC. Well enough to break the top tier or probably even ribbon.

Like yourself and many others in this community, I too at times complain about my scores. It is the lore of being part of this group and being part of a challenge. I've learned to just shrug it aside and move on. And on that note, a few rogue scores of 1s and 2s and even 3s don't really hurt your score as much in the whole scheme of things. My complimentary image received a few but not so much as to sway the overall results of the votes.

I agree with what the others have said about abstracts and photography. I will keep this in mind as I move forward improving my skills and techniques with the help of everyone in this community.

Best regards.

Rikki
 10/13/2005 07:14:52 PM · #2
I think there is room for most types of photography here on DPC. Pure abstract photography is generally not popular and the same applies here on DPC. Abstract photographs that do not have identifiable objects generally don't rate high in challenges. Your entry in the Complementary Colors challenge rated exceptionally high considering that it's pure abstraction.

However images that have strong abstract qualities but still have identifiable subjects have a good chance of rating high. Here are some recent examples:





I do think what Ursula said makes a lot of sense:

Originally posted by ursula:
Just my opinion, but I don't think it has that much to do with people not being able to appreciate the abstract.

I think it has more to do with a lot of abstracts being presented as being good shots simply because they are abstract, but just being an abstract doesn't make a shot good. Many abstracts are just as medriocre/boring as the endless drops, flowers, animals, nudes, bugs, whatever.

I think a good abstract is a lot of work. Just showing a part of something or an intentionally out of focus picture or a camera movement picture does not make the picture a good abstract. It has to have something else. I haven't figured out what that is though.
10/13/2005 05:40:29 PM · #3
Originally posted by katswig:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I think you did very well! Look where I ended up with my abstract!

I think you proved the opposite of what I would conclude with mine: that there is a place for abstracts. But perhaps not ones that look like they break the rules? (That's my theory anyway--I asked for validation at the start of the challenge but it took two whole days to get it validated, more than 1/2 the votes (around 145 out of 234) had already been cast before it was validated.



84th place with an
average vote of 5.509
40 votes out of 234 were three and under, despite the clear predominance of complementary colors green and red.


But the first color _I_ see is the bright yellow in the middle, so you have three colors not two, and the main color is not a complement of either of the others.

So for me, if you are gonna go for abstract in a complementary colors challenge, you had better get the colors right, and in this one, if you ask me, you didn't.


Not to argue my score, since that wasn't my point here, but I take issue with the statement that the two complementary colors had to be the only colors, or even the focal point. The challenge said:

While colors are fresh on your mind, try to use two complementary colors to compose your photograph.

I did use two complementary colors to compose my photograph.
 10/13/2005 05:14:29 PM · #4
Originally posted by rikki11:
Here's food for thought. In as much as I am happy about my highest rated score, I have to ask the question.

Is there no room for ABSTRACTS on DPC?





Hello Rikki,
First I love your photography.
Second your picture Burn is outstanding.
Third I get tired of the same old same old too.

And furthermore, quit complaining. I am lost to find a 6 let alone a 6.461 and 14th place. Sure I get frustrated too when I take something I put a lot of thought into and it just scrapes out a 5 or so. I have a picture now in the “Pride” challenge which nobody is getting which proves one they are not too up on current and contemporary photographers (which there is nothing wrong with, just a kick to get people to use Google.) or two they are so arrogant they can’t be bothered, in which case I am glad they are not commenting on my photograph.

As you can see I have a habit of complaining about my scores, I guess that just makes me a pissy little sensitive artist. LOL but I think you get what I mean. I will say this, I owe you an apology, with all the entries there are, sometimes I do not have the patience of someone like Judy (Jutilda) to go back and give a fair view of an image. I regret I may have done that with this one. I had given you a 5 and was going to go back and recheck some of my votes but forgot. I hope I wasn’t the reason you didn’t get into the top ten.

I hope you continue to create even abstracts for our enjoyment and hopefully for a mural in Donald Trump’s new building lobby someday, after I do, :) fair enough? Be well.

Michael

10/13/2005 01:14:01 PM · #5
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I think you did very well! Look where I ended up with my abstract!

I think you proved the opposite of what I would conclude with mine: that there is a place for abstracts. But perhaps not ones that look like they break the rules? (That's my theory anyway--I asked for validation at the start of the challenge but it took two whole days to get it validated, more than 1/2 the votes (around 145 out of 234) had already been cast before it was validated.



84th place with an
average vote of 5.509
40 votes out of 234 were three and under, despite the clear predominance of complementary colors green and red.


But the first color _I_ see is the bright yellow in the middle, so you have three colors not two, and the main color is not a complement of either of the others.

So for me, if you are gonna go for abstract in a complementary colors challenge, you had better get the colors right, and in this one, if you ask me, you didn't.
10/13/2005 12:57:36 AM · #6
Just my opinion, but I don't think it has that much to do with people not being able to appreciate the abstract.

I think it has more to do with a lot of abstracts being presented as being good shots simply because they are abstract, but just being an abstract doesn't make a shot good. Many abstracts are just as medriocre/boring as the endless drops, flowers, animals, nudes, bugs, whatever.

I think a good abstract is a lot of work. Just showing a part of something or an intentionally out of focus picture or a camera movement picture does not make the picture a good abstract. It has to have something else. I haven't figured out what that is though.
 10/13/2005 12:51:49 AM · #7

10/13/2005 12:43:33 AM · #8
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I love abstracts, but not all abstracts are great.


Nichiest!

Anyway, have to agree. Phosphorescent lime green does not go with insignia red. Not that those are the colours, but my monitor shows them thusly.
 10/13/2005 12:23:13 AM · #9
more straight forward pix are accepted than the abstract on this site.

not too many people have enlightened vision to understand the abstract.

haven't you notices how many animals, water drops, splashings, bugs, flowers, and portraits are always in the top contenders?

just my opinion, now back to whining about the bad call in tonights game.
 10/13/2005 12:15:35 AM · #10


This looks like the chair melted away :) LOL!
 10/12/2005 11:52:17 PM · #11
Perhaps part of the reason that abstracts are not popular in challenges is that they can be difficult to convey a message such as "Coffee Shop", "Pride", "Your Corner of the World", etc. Plus, they're pure aesthetics that can be extremely subjective to viewer taste (though I suppose that is basically true for pretty much any photograph, on some level or another).

I think Skip brings up a good point that the "What?!" challenge would certainly be well fit by an abstract - at least in my opinion.
 10/12/2005 07:15:10 AM · #12
Originally posted by rikki11:
Is there no room for ABSTRACTS on DPC?



I gave it a 7.

I liked it - the only problem I had was that it looked too real to be abstract! With the reflections and the shadow I could almost see what the object was. It didn't look 'surreal' enough, if that's the right word. I think the shadow kind of spoiled the effect for me.

Lovely vibrant colours though. An excellent interpretation of the challenge.
 10/12/2005 06:19:15 AM · #13
Originally posted by brianlh:
Almost seems to me the very fact that you placed highly answers the question.. that yes, there is room.


I have to agree. My highest score was with an Abstract but, I have to say, voters are funny at times (-:
 10/12/2005 06:06:55 AM · #14
i have to agree that while there is a place for abstracts, it is abstracts like mine and neil's are rarely at the top. i enjoy sharing mine, but tend to shy away from challenges where i personally don't feel my image really nails the challenge.

on the other hand, it would appear this What!? challenge should lend itself nicely to some interesting abstract interpretations...
 10/12/2005 06:05:19 AM · #15
abstracts are great, but in challenges I think people are confused about how to vote for them because they can't identify with a lot of them. but yours looks good.. congrats on high finish.!
10/12/2005 06:01:32 AM · #16
I love abstracts, but not all abstracts are great.
 10/12/2005 05:37:14 AM · #17
Plenty of room on DPC for abstracts just have alook at Jean. I think you are right they are a love/hate form of photography.
I personally love a very good abstract but hate poorly executed ones.
Your shot is miidle of the ground for me striking colours but not much else.
 10/12/2005 05:17:58 AM · #18
Originally posted by rikki11:

Is there no room for ABSTRACTS on DPC?




I did something similar a couple years back..

10/12/2005 02:01:49 AM · #19
Originally posted by dsmeth:
I know alot of people use the same subjects. I'm sure some people go back in the challenges to get ideas and see what kind of shots won.
Sorry if I offended you but I was just kinda dissappointed when I saw it.


No offense taken Dave and that's exactly why I did the shot that I entered. It's different from what you've seen in all challenges.
 10/12/2005 01:59:54 AM · #20
I know alot of people use the same subjects. I'm sure some people go back in the challenges to get ideas and see what kind of shots won.
Sorry if I offended you but I was just kinda dissappointed when I saw it.
10/12/2005 01:55:10 AM · #21
I love the shot I gave it a 10
 10/12/2005 01:53:33 AM · #22
Originally posted by MeThoS:
...or you could just shoot portraits that look identical. Just change the background and model. It seems to be popular around here. Hell, you could even draw an outline on the left third of your image viewfinder so you know exactly where to frame the model.


My sentiments exactly Brent! I'm glad I'm not the only one realizing it :)
 10/12/2005 01:52:25 AM · #23
...or you could just shoot portraits that look identical. Just change the background and model. It seems to be popular around here. Hell, you could even draw an outline on the left third of your image viewfinder so you know exactly where to frame the model.
 10/12/2005 01:49:13 AM · #24
Originally posted by dsmeth:

Not to sound like an ass or anything but when I seen this pic in the challenge, I immediately knew who it belonged to. I don't remember what score I gave it but I do remember thinking to myself, Come on Rikki with all the great photos you take, all you could come up with was a retake on the "S" Curves photo in your portfolio? Not that I don't like the photo, I think I expected a little more creativity from you than a retake. I don't have a problem with abstracts either.


No harm done Dave :) Although it's funny that you mentioned that I used the same subject. What about the rest who use the same subjects? My shot was a retake yes. Partly due to the fact that it was a last minute thing. However, in the whole scheme of things, don't you get tired of seeing the same things over and over?

Looking at gaurawa's image, it's different and too bad he didn;t get the brown :P but isn't it a bit refreshing seeing something else? Neil's image is the same way too. Joezl seems to be on the mark, even though technically it's good (at least i think it is), there seems to be no mass appeal.

So let me go back and start shooting flowers and bugs. they seem to have the "mass appeal" we all strive to get :D

10/12/2005 01:25:35 AM · #25
Originally posted by rikki11:
Here's food for thought. In as much as I am happy about my highest rated score, I have to ask the question.

Is there no room for ABSTRACTS on DPC?



We've all seen all the same old things and actually some of my outtakes were flowers and things we so fondly see in every single challenge. So I took a risk of submitting an abstract. I was really hoping to squeeze in the top 10 in this challenge but fell short. I'm happy about my 14th place but the question begs to be asked.

There were a handful of abstracts in this challenge and they were actually very pleasing to see. It's nice to see change every now and then but it seems for now, abstracts will remain a love or hate thing :)


Not to sound like an ass or anything but when I seen this pic in the challenge, I immediately knew who it belonged to. I don't remember what score I gave it but I do remember thinking to myself, Come on Rikki with all the great photos you take, all you could come up with was a retake on the "S" Curves photo in your portfolio? Not that I don't like the photo, I think I expected a little more creativity from you than a retake. I don't have a problem with abstracts either.

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