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10/21/2005 12:44:22 PM · #1 |
| I think that Turkey is on the beginnings of what could be a major upswing economically, politically, and socially - the likes of which haven't been seen since its haydays of Constantinople. I know that what I was taught in school and what I would hear in the news growing up never put Turkey in a very favorable light - seemingly portraying it as an unsafe, wartorn country for foreigners. As an adult and having done reading of my own, I know that is not the case. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think that in the USA, if you don't have any ties to Turkey (relatives or friends) or you don't specifically study that part of the world and its cultures, peoples, geography, history, etc., then what you get from the remaining sources (schools, news, government) is not going to be put in the same light. |
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10/21/2005 11:05:30 AM · #2 |
colyla : Not just in Turkey unfortuantly. Plus now in Turkey we have more people acting like they’re conservative (It’s the current fashion, veils, makeup, sexy lingerie) than actually believing in God.
taterbug : Old world feel ? Izmir ? Man… Did it change…
PShizzy : Alright... My uncle's in a turkish prison and he prefers being there than being on the outside with his wife :P I'm serious. Don't believe everything you see on a screen.
Philos31 : No mistakes and I hate Boza too. Damn…You cook them all? Impressive, I find it hard to even make a juice :P
woohoopepper : We are getting along great with Joe
Cutter : I want to go to Greece And I have big STRONG feelings about the EU that should not be discussed here for the sake of community. But I can say that I’m against it.
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10/20/2005 10:28:17 PM · #3 |
vest fabric detail... I wear this vest on occasion..... Although I have never visited Turkey, the vest was a gift to me from my father after he returned from a journey there. I understand not of the best quality (the foto either) but is representative of a style of weaving that is done. |
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10/20/2005 07:59:23 PM · #4 |
the only thing I had heard about turkey....was a few years back....my previous supervisor had a brother that was stationed over there with his family. they had some turkish neighbors and got along famously but apparently they were very religious/conservative people. One day his daughter went outside to play and they had short sleeve shirts on and the family started calling them names, throwing rocks at them because they were showing skin.
I thought this was a strange sounding story....so just kind of took it with a grain of salt. She said they were conservative muslims.
I know...dumb story....but it's the only thing I heard of about Turkey.
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10/20/2005 07:33:19 PM · #5 |
I got to visit Izmir a couple of times back in the late 80's while I was in the navy. I remember it as an interesting place rich in history and culture. Went on several neat tours. The people there were great. I really like the 'old world' feel there and throughout much of the Meditterranean that you definitely can't find in the US :-) I also remember it being a paradise for folks who love to shop! It's funny though how you almost can't buy anything without haggling :-P Great for leather goods, jewelry, brass and copper wares, and lots of other stuff. I have 2 prized possesions from there, one is a large very intricately hand carved wooden clock that hangs above our antique piano, and a beautiful hand carved meerschaum pipe. I had looked at similar pipes in the states and even back then cost from $100 to $150 easily. After a few minutes of haggling, I got mine for about the equivalent of $12 !!!
Yes, a really cool place. One of the places from my navy days that I would like to return to some day.
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10/20/2005 06:36:44 PM · #6 |
I like mine deep-fried and I get a free one every year at work.
What? Oh, that Turkey.......
ummm I plead complete ignorance only because my brain has been too busy being stuffed full of crazy stuff like Structural Vibrations, Wave Equations, Impact Mechanics and Fluid Dynamics. Please take this opportunity to enlighten me.
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10/20/2005 06:15:46 PM · #7 |
My advice is this: Avoid trying to smuggle hash out of Turkey. If you've seen Midnight Express, you'll understand why
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10/20/2005 05:51:14 PM · #8 |
Turkey reminds me of Rahat lokum, as well as the chocolate covered Canadian version, Turkish Delight. It is the Topkapi Palace, it is Cappodocia,with the homes carved into the shark-tooth shaped rocks in the fairy chimneys. It's the Göreme Valley, it's geothermal water spas, it's alternate hot/cold water and serious pummeling in Turkish Baths, it's gorgeous beaches. It's also a bargain. It's fezes (What IS the plural of fez?) It's the astronomer who discovered the planet/asteroid that the Little Prince lived on. It's aromatic tobacco, strong coffee, belly dancing. It's merchants who drive hard bargains, it's a nation with History going back many centuries before the Christian era. It's Kizkalesi, the "Maiden's Castle" and it's the gateway to the Orient.
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10/20/2005 05:43:15 PM · #9 |
Well, I know Boza (don't like it)
Börek (Love it)
Dolmas (Love it)
Patlican Dolma (Love it)
Patlican Salatasi (Love it)
Köfte (love it)
Sarma (Love it)
And offcourse Baklava (Love it)
and mutch mutch more...
And the weird thing is, I can cook it all myself (And do sometimes)(Except for the Boza)
O and please ignore any spelling mistakes |
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10/20/2005 05:41:23 PM · #10 |
Nada (about Turkey), but I find you to be an amazing young person, artistic, creative, intelligent and I find your conversation refreshing. My children (hmmmmmm, who are now both excellent elementary education teachers) both talked as you do right in front of me when they were your age. As adults, they know to whom they can use particular kinds of language around. I wish I had had the guts to do the same when I was young. I'm still afraid of my mom, and I'm nearly 55 years old! So, you just keep telling it like it is!
Have you met Joey L. yet? Wow, I bet you two would get along great.
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10/20/2005 05:33:11 PM · #11 |
Robert/Bear
I do not like Turkey nor did I like your Pride entry but I am trying to arrange a ride up to The Cape soon. I heard the bus and train are both long-ass nightmares but that may not stop me.
It might take some razzle-dazzle to coordinate but I'm willing to do the dance. The Bear Dance...of course....
You buy the Lobster...I'll bring the Port...we'll cook up a storm. |
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10/20/2005 05:24:51 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
In America the popular perception of Turkey, generically speaking, is "warlike barbarians". There's little awareness of Turkey...... |
That is absurd. I, and most of my friends know much of Turkey, and the last things any of us would every think of Turkey is "warlike barbarians". That is so stupid, I don't even know what to say.
Ennil,
I liked your Pride picture the best of them all by the way. Some of my strongest ties to Turkey are related to the time I lived in Greece and saw firsthand a country and its people who have had such strong ties and sometimes not so strong ties to your people. Turkey is very high up to there on my personal list of countries to learn more about and visit one day. I passed up a chance during my time in Greece...wrong decision.
Hey, what do you think about Turkey and the EU?
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10/20/2005 05:17:28 PM · #13 |
| One of my fave destinations.Historic,cutural and a society that is changing. |
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10/20/2005 05:14:04 PM · #14 |
A true world citizens appraisall.Very nice.Originally posted by bear_music:
In America the popular perception of Turkey, generically speaking, is "warlike barbarians". There's little awareness of Turkey as the crossroads of empires, little awareness that Constantinople (for example) was what is now Istanbul. There's little awareness of the close ties between Greece and Turkey, historically, and of why these countries are at odds with each other now. Very few people realize that Turkey, which is seen by most as a Muslim country only, was the heart of the great, Christian "Byzantine Empire" under Constantine, and that it was conquered by Muslims and underwent a sea change as a result.
For me it's a storied land of ancient mystery.
Robt. |
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10/20/2005 05:10:53 PM · #15 |
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10/20/2005 04:59:52 PM · #16 |
| There is a guy around here that everyone calls "Turkish John", which is weird because he isn't the slightest bit Turkish, and his first name is bill. That's all I got. |
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10/20/2005 04:56:02 PM · #17 |
I first visited Turkey in 1972. I was stationed in Cyprus and went on a cruise that stopped off at Marmaris, Izmir and then stayed in Instanbul for 3 days - wow Istanbul - fabulous!
It was in October 2002 my wife and I visted Turkey. We found a wonderful place caled Turunc, fell in love with it and go back every year. We have made such good friends out there. I can honestly say, hand on heart, that the Turkish people are by far the most wonderful people I have come across. I love the Greeks, Egyptians and Indians we have met on our travels but the Turkish people have that something extra special about them. Whenever we visit we are treated like one of the family.
Wonderful - thats what I know about Turkey!
Oh and Yeh The TURKISH COFFEE - its wonderful!!
Have a look here
//www.photosite.me.uk/44702.html
Message edited by author 2005-10-21 07:24:01.
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10/20/2005 03:19:31 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
what the hell is Turkish Delight? |
I too always wondered that. Funny, I imagined them to be chocolates. The real thing is sweeter.
As for Turkey, I'm not sure. Whenever I think of eastern europe, I think of old ladies with wrinkled, Tan skin at an old world farmer's market buying radishes. Obviousouly, I know very little, but I would love to someday visit.
Good luck with your photojournalism. I can't wait to see it.
Message edited by author 2005-10-20 15:20:27. |
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10/12/2005 01:37:05 PM · #19 |
maybe it is ok to speak that way in Turkey. I thought it was funny, the way she just throws stuff out there sometimes. Kids got spunk and talent she can say whatever she wants.
P.S. Rex I still don't use bad words around my parents, it makes me feel uncomfortable. lol!
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by Ennil:
(When my goddamn hard drive arrives) |
When my kids get to be 14 yo and they talk like this I will bust em right in the nose. ;-) |
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10/12/2005 01:12:11 PM · #20 |
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10/11/2005 03:30:30 PM · #21 |
Turkey is a beautiful place and great to photograph. I really want to get back there sometime. Ennil, you should post your pictures. Take a look at my site. I've posted some vacation photos from Turkey there. Let me know what you think.
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10/11/2005 03:16:25 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by probus:
I had a great time in Turkey in May. I visited Istanbul and Izmir. The people were very friendly, even when they weren't trying to sell me a carpet or shine my shoes.
I do not think the average American thinks much (or knows much) at all about Turkey. I did a little reading about Turkey before my trip. Lord Kinross's book "The Ottoman Centuries" described the history of the country very well. The Seljuk Turks were initially a wondering band from the Asian Steppes who slowly conquered territory from the decaying Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine empire). The Byzantines lost a major battle with the Turks at Manzikert in the early 13th century in which the Byzantine emperor was captured and latered released. The gradual encroachment of Byzantine territory continued for several centuries until Constantinople was virtually all that was left of the Byzantine empire. The city fell in 1453 to Mehmet II (the conqueror) who made it his capital (in place of Edirne I think). The city and the Turkish empire grew under subsequent Sultans to include the Balkans, North Africa, the middle east and the entire Mediterranian. Turkish conquests continued right up to the gates of Vienna. Alas, however, the Europeans and the Russians gradually reclaimed territories and the Balkan states rebelled. Greece rebelled and broke away from the Ottoman empire in the 1820's. The Turkish empire declined like the Roman empire did. Following WWI in which the allies occupied Turkey for a time, Attaturk came to power and drove the allies out. He sent the last Sultan into exile and founded the current republic. |
I very well think you know more about Turkey's history than I do.
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10/11/2005 02:01:07 PM · #23 |
I had a great time in Turkey in May. I visited Istanbul and Izmir. The people were very friendly, even when they weren't trying to sell me a carpet or shine my shoes.
I do not think the average American thinks much (or knows much) at all about Turkey. I did a little reading about Turkey before my trip. Lord Kinross's book "The Ottoman Centuries" described the history of the country very well. The Seljuk Turks were initially a wondering band from the Asian Steppes who slowly conquered territory from the decaying Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine empire). The Byzantines lost a major battle with the Turks at Manzikert in the early 13th century in which the Byzantine emperor was captured and latered released. The gradual encroachment of Byzantine territory continued for several centuries until Constantinople was virtually all that was left of the Byzantine empire. The city fell in 1453 to Mehmet II (the conqueror) who made it his capital (in place of Edirne I think). The city and the Turkish empire grew under subsequent Sultans to include the Balkans, North Africa, the middle east and the entire Mediterranian. Turkish conquests continued right up to the gates of Vienna. Alas, however, the Europeans and the Russians gradually reclaimed territories and the Balkan states rebelled. Greece rebelled and broke away from the Ottoman empire in the 1820's. The Turkish empire declined like the Roman empire did. Following WWI in which the allies occupied Turkey for a time, Attaturk came to power and drove the allies out. He sent the last Sultan into exile and founded the current republic.
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10/11/2005 01:41:08 PM · #24 |
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10/11/2005 01:39:16 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
Also, what the hell is Turkish Delight? Since I was a kid, having read "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" many times, I still have not found out. |
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_delight |
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