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10/06/2005 09:20:18 PM · #1
ok, i'm 14, i think i'm the closest to understanding how a 9 year old thinks... animals are the cute fluffy things you alwayse want your mom to buy you in the pet store. Vegatables, especialy green ones, as far as you are concerned, should never touch your plate. And think of minerals as the salt you put on your vegatables, which end up being spread around your plate... come on people, were not explaining atom fusion to the encylcopedia Britanica! lol
10/06/2005 09:04:47 PM · #2
Wikipedia:
Aristotle divided all living things between plants, which generally do not move or have sensory organs, and animals.
In Linnaeus' system, these became the Kingdoms Vegetabilia (later Plantae) and Animalia. Since then, it has become clear that the Plantae as originally defined included several unrelated groups, and the fungi and several groups of algae were removed to new kingdoms. However, these are still often considered plants in many contexts. Indeed, any attempt to match "plant" with a single taxon is doomed to fail, because plant is a vaguely defined concept unrelated to the presumed phylogenic concepts on which modern taxonomy is based.

.. so back to the "simple" answer.. for the eight year old.. (without being "doomed to failure"...)

animals have independent locomotion and sensory organs
plants generally have no independent locomotion nor sensory organs... (and there are some exceptions...)

.. but for me the food one works pretty well! (Can a venus fly trap live without photosynthesis?)

science ... like the rules of spelling, has exceptions!
10/06/2005 08:06:57 PM · #3
Originally posted by sacredspirit:

That game will give you some pretty vulger answers. Careful. I wanted to test the darned little thing so I thought of some nasty stuff, and some illegal stuff, I done it 3 times and the darned thing answered. It didn't only answer it, but it talks slang as well. Me, and the wife laughed for a week about that thing, and its answers. I couldn't believe it answered.


Yeah it's quite freaky how often it gets it right!!! Thanks for all the ideas people it will help simplify for my daughter
10/06/2005 08:04:34 PM · #4
Originally posted by grahamp:

a simple answer..

animals eat their food
plants make their food

Venus Flytrap?

"Plants" as diverse as fungi and mistletoe "eat" -- obtain nutrients pre-formed directly from other organisms, either alive or dead.

Slime molds, when they run out of nutrients where they are, form up into little marching globules and wander off in search of new "prey."
10/06/2005 07:04:39 PM · #5
a simple answer..

animals eat their food
plants make their food (.. no not cook!!)
minerals don't need food..

10/06/2005 06:59:03 PM · #6

That game will give you some pretty vulger answers. Careful. I wanted to test the darned little thing so I thought of some nasty stuff, and some illegal stuff, I done it 3 times and the darned thing answered. It didn't only answer it, but it talks slang as well. Me, and the wife laughed for a week about that thing, and its answers. I couldn't believe it answered.
10/06/2005 06:54:23 PM · #7
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

If it has eyes (like a potato), it's an animal.
If it is found beneath the surface of the earth (like a gopher), it's a mineral.
And if it tastes gross (like shrimp), it's a vegetable.


Absolutely perfect! Bravo!
10/06/2005 06:44:56 PM · #8
Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

There are lots of animals which don't have brains.


"central nervous system" = "brain". Bugs have "brains", so do worms, in this context. Amouebas are a problem... I'm trying to keep it at a kid-friendly level. I have some experience at this game, with children...

R.

I'm not arguing about bugs or worms -- I was thinking more along the lines of sponges, corals, jellyfish, etc.

Barnacles and corals are sessile; slime molds can crawl. And I know about playing the game, I just like bringing up the exceptions, like viruses.
10/06/2005 06:24:19 PM · #9
Minerals = Non-organic origin, no life force.
Animals = Organic life force that can walk, swim or fly. (Animated)
Plants = Organic life force that cannot walk, swim or fly. (Planted)

I've heard there are a couple of exceptions, and I'm sure someone here knows what they are.
10/06/2005 06:23:35 PM · #10
Originally posted by GeneralE:

There are lots of animals which don't have brains.


"central nervous system" = "brain". Bugs have "brains", so do worms, in this context. Amouebas are a problem... I'm trying to keep it at a kid-friendly level. I have some experience at this game, with children...

R.
10/06/2005 06:10:17 PM · #11
//school.discovery.com/schrockguide/sci-tech/scigs.html

Message edited by author 2005-10-06 18:13:26.
10/06/2005 06:08:49 PM · #12
There are lots of animals which don't have brains.
10/06/2005 06:04:38 PM · #13
animals have brains

vegetables are everythign alive that doesn't have a brain

minerals are everything else

(for the purposes of this game)

addendum: if it's "made" of an animal it's an animal, even if it doesn't have a brain anymnore; leather belt, fur coat, these are animals.

Robt.


10/06/2005 05:17:36 PM · #14
I was just thinking of how I'd explain it and I guess I'd say:

You know what animals are, right?
And you know what plants are, right?

Well "mineral" in this game means everything else.
10/06/2005 05:12:51 PM · #15
Originally posted by ttreit:

Sorry not to be rude, but how does a 9 year old not know the difference between animals, plants, and minerals? What are our public schools doing?! I mean a 5 year old, I could understand, but a 9 year old is like in third grade already, right?


I dont know we dont have grades in New Zealand. I think with the game 20 questions animal, vegetable and mineral covers everything ( ie everything can be put in one of those three catergories) and particularly mineral is not meant in the literal sense.
10/06/2005 05:10:03 PM · #16
yes

Originally posted by joynim:

So what catergory would you put a chair? Mineral?
10/06/2005 05:07:30 PM · #17
Sorry not to be rude, but how does a 9 year old not know the difference between animals, plants, and minerals? What are our public schools doing?! I mean a 5 year old, I could understand, but a 9 year old is like in third grade already, right?
10/06/2005 05:06:31 PM · #18
So what catergory would you put a chair? Mineral?
10/06/2005 04:24:13 PM · #19
Originally posted by Formerlee:

Originally posted by dahkota:

animals breathe
plants grow but don't breathe (yes, I know they do, but not so's you'd notice)
minerals don't breathe and don't grow.


Minerals do grow!

Steve


Yeah, I know. But I kinda filed that under the plants don't breathe catagory. :)
10/06/2005 04:22:43 PM · #20
Originally posted by sfalice:

Originally posted by mpemberton:

Animal: A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.

Vegetable: A plant cultivated for an edible part, such as the root of the beet, the leaf of spinach, or the flower buds of broccoli or cauliflower.

Mineral: A naturally occurring, homogeneous inorganic solid substance having a definite chemical composition and characteristic crystalline structure, color, and hardness.


Hmmm! That'll make it easy for the 9-year-old to get it straight.
;>)


Glad you caught the joke.
10/06/2005 04:18:41 PM · #21
Originally posted by dahkota:

animals breathe
plants grow but don't breathe (yes, I know they do, but not so's you'd notice)
minerals don't breathe and don't grow.


Minerals do grow!

Steve
10/06/2005 04:17:58 PM · #22
animals breathe
plants grow but don't breathe (yes, I know they do, but not so's you'd notice)
minerals don't breathe and don't grow.
10/06/2005 04:14:36 PM · #23
Originally posted by barndog:

Animal: Mans best friend
Mineral: Womans best friend
Vegtable: Stuff you hide under the mashed potatoes


This made me laugh but still not helpful!!
10/06/2005 04:11:18 PM · #24
Originally posted by mpemberton:

Animal: A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.

Vegetable: A plant cultivated for an edible part, such as the root of the beet, the leaf of spinach, or the flower buds of broccoli or cauliflower.

Mineral: A naturally occurring, homogeneous inorganic solid substance having a definite chemical composition and characteristic crystalline structure, color, and hardness.


LOL ummmm though my daughter is pretty clued up I dont think that will help!!
10/06/2005 04:10:33 PM · #25
Originally posted by mpemberton:

Animal: A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.

Vegetable: A plant cultivated for an edible part, such as the root of the beet, the leaf of spinach, or the flower buds of broccoli or cauliflower.

Mineral: A naturally occurring, homogeneous inorganic solid substance having a definite chemical composition and characteristic crystalline structure, color, and hardness.


Hmmm! That'll make it easy for the 9-year-old to get it straight.
;>)
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