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09/09/2005 10:42:32 PM · #1 |
yeh i know, you mean rap music??
Originally posted by frychikn:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
what music?
Originally posted by photodude:
We arent walking in those shoes and taking water, food etc in this situation is understandable.
However, in certain american sub cultures it is acceptable to loot, steal, carjack, shoot automatic weapons, etc. All I can say is just listen to the music
They are just getting their "respect", "props" or whatever.
So what's a free TV or wardrobe |
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The kind of "music" which celebrates such things as sex slavery, violence,bigotry, bitch-slapping "ho's", etc. |
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09/09/2005 10:09:05 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by mystical_princess:
Originally posted by pixieland:
My opinion on some of this is as follows.
Because I believe an ounce prevention is worth a pound of cure.
1. Everyone knew Katrina was coming and no act of man was going to stop her.
2. The charitable organizations should have been asking for donations before it hit full force, even if they didn't get much response to start, it would have already been in progress when the storm got here.
3. Trucks full of supplies and equipment from the government and organizations should have been packed and ready to disperse as soon as the storm passed enough to allow it.
4. People in New Orleans that really could have got out before it hit and were just stubborn, should have done so, if those people are stuck, it's not because they weren't warned and they have added tremendously to the problem.
5. People who couldn't get out because of transportation or needing somewhere to go, should have had buses available from the government to help evacuate them. If there weren't enough buses, schools needed to be closed for a week to use those buses.
If number 4 and 5 had happened there wouldn\'t be no where near as many people to rescue.
6. As for the people who remained, able body men and women who were not directly taking care of sick, elderly or children, should have joined together to make temporary shelter, gather food, medical supplies, clothes and water anything that was floating around that they could all share, instead of sitting on their butts waiting to be rescued. If this was a nuclear war, there would be no one coming to the rescue, everyone would have to survive like our ancestors back before we all got soft and spoiled. There didn't appear to be many leaders in the crowds.
7. What does it matter if some idiot takes a TV or stereo, when people are fighting for their lives? I say ignore the looting and concentrate on the people who's lives are hanging on by a thread. TV's can be replaced.
8. It sucks that so much is lost materially, but life isn't fair, you have to accept what you can't change, change what you can, and have the wisdom to know the difference. My grandma says, don't cry over spilt milk, clean it up and watch what you're doing next time. Unfortunately, someday, there will be another "Katrina", what will make the difference is if we learn anything from this "Katrina". |
AMEN. I totally agree with you here! You make some excellant points! |
ditto....thumbs up
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09/09/2005 10:07:48 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by gibun:
e.. Where are real leaders when you need them? |
in warm beds, dreaming of war in iraq
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09/09/2005 08:10:02 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
......hear the frankly disgusting racial comments from Barbara Bush, ...... |
Would you direct me to these comments please? |
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09/09/2005 07:50:08 PM · #5 |
| Just wondering which way America is going..? This is not the great nation I know... So sad, and I truely mean sad, to see the slide of this once great people.. Where are real leaders when you need them? |
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09/09/2005 07:23:49 PM · #6 |
| Funny, I heard them say something on the news last night about 13,000 school buses that could have been used to evacuate people and they showed several almost covered in water. At least someone else was thinking like me, although it was too late. |
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09/08/2005 07:29:29 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by pixieland:
My opinion on some of this is as follows.
Because I believe an ounce prevention is worth a pound of cure.
1. Everyone knew Katrina was coming and no act of man was going to stop her.
2. The charitable organizations should have been asking for donations before it hit full force, even if they didn't get much response to start, it would have already been in progress when the storm got here.
3. Trucks full of supplies and equipment from the government and organizations should have been packed and ready to disperse as soon as the storm passed enough to allow it.
4. People in New Orleans that really could have got out before it hit and were just stubborn, should have done so, if those people are stuck, it's not because they weren't warned and they have added tremendously to the problem.
5. People who couldn't get out because of transportation or needing somewhere to go, should have had buses available from the government to help evacuate them. If there weren't enough buses, schools needed to be closed for a week to use those buses.
If number 4 and 5 had happened there wouldn\'t be no where near as many people to rescue.
6. As for the people who remained, able body men and women who were not directly taking care of sick, elderly or children, should have joined together to make temporary shelter, gather food, medical supplies, clothes and water anything that was floating around that they could all share, instead of sitting on their butts waiting to be rescued. If this was a nuclear war, there would be no one coming to the rescue, everyone would have to survive like our ancestors back before we all got soft and spoiled. There didn't appear to be many leaders in the crowds.
7. What does it matter if some idiot takes a TV or stereo, when people are fighting for their lives? I say ignore the looting and concentrate on the people who's lives are hanging on by a thread. TV's can be replaced.
8. It sucks that so much is lost materially, but life isn't fair, you have to accept what you can't change, change what you can, and have the wisdom to know the difference. My grandma says, don't cry over spilt milk, clean it up and watch what you're doing next time. Unfortunately, someday, there will be another "Katrina", what will make the difference is if we learn anything from this "Katrina". |
AMEN. I totally agree with you here! You make some excellant points!
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09/08/2005 07:08:36 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Fibre Optix:
What kills me is that there is no outrage at the fact that PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING AT RESCUERS. Even if it just happened once, is that sad. Only in America.
Tailand Tsunami - Tribe shoots at Rescue helicopters, Tribe did'nt understand what was going on.
This is the only example I can find outside of the US where rescuers are shot at by they're own people. |
I haven't any memories of shooting in particular but in the north of Ireland large crowds of youths shower firetrucks on hoax calls with bricks, stones and occassionally petrol bombs for sport. Happens week in week out. The police get it even worse. |
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09/07/2005 06:30:30 PM · #9 |
My opinion on some of this is as follows.
Because I believe an ounce prevention is worth a pound of cure.
1. Everyone knew Katrina was coming and no act of man was going to stop her.
2. The charitable organizations should have been asking for donations before it hit full force, even if they didn't get much response to start, it would have already been in progress when the storm got here.
3. Trucks full of supplies and equipment from the government and organizations should have been packed and ready to disperse as soon as the storm passed enough to allow it.
4. People in New Orleans that really could have got out before it hit and were just stubborn, should have done so, if those people are stuck, it's not because they weren't warned and they have added tremendously to the problem.
5. People who couldn't get out because of transportation or needing somewhere to go, should have had buses available from the government to help evacuate them. If there weren't enough buses, schools needed to be closed for a week to use those buses.
If number 4 and 5 had happened there wouldn\'t be no where near as many people to rescue.
6. As for the people who remained, able body men and women who were not directly taking care of sick, elderly or children, should have joined together to make temporary shelter, gather food, medical supplies, clothes and water anything that was floating around that they could all share, instead of sitting on their butts waiting to be rescued. If this was a nuclear war, there would be no one coming to the rescue, everyone would have to survive like our ancestors back before we all got soft and spoiled. There didn't appear to be many leaders in the crowds.
7. What does it matter if some idiot takes a TV or stereo, when people are fighting for their lives? I say ignore the looting and concentrate on the people who's lives are hanging on by a thread. TV's can be replaced.
8. It sucks that so much is lost materially, but life isn't fair, you have to accept what you can't change, change what you can, and have the wisdom to know the difference. My grandma says, don't cry over spilt milk, clean it up and watch what you're doing next time. Unfortunately, someday, there will be another "Katrina", what will make the difference is if we learn anything from this "Katrina".
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09/07/2005 05:44:56 PM · #10 |
OMG the people who are shooting are now considered victims? Hype?
So I guess the guys shooting the construction workers fixing the levies is all hype. The cops (Black Cops) are getting shot at nightly so the city can stay in ruins so the gangs can have the run of the place. That's all hype? What kills me is that there is no outrage at the fact that PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING AT RESCUERS. Even if it just happened once, is that sad. Only in America.
Tailand Tsunami - Tribe shoots at Rescue helicopters, Tribe did'nt understand what was going on.
This is the only example I can find outside of the US where rescuers are shot at by they're own people.
AND TOO BOOT.... people within the country (US) are writting articles about how it's hype. Even if it happened once, does'nt this disturb you that it happened?
Wow that is one F#4@'d up mentality.
Un-F@#!ing believable.
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09/07/2005 05:16:25 PM · #11 |
Frankly, I am amazed that there hasn't been major rioting. I think that if I were there I would have gone beserk.
Evidently, convoys of relief supplies were going to a predominately white parish. Trapped (mainly black) folks from the neighboring parish were not allowed to pass to that parish. People were dying because of this.
At least according to Fox News. ( although they didn't mention that the convoys went to the WHITE parish - they were devious on that and tried to make it sound otherwise :( )
It is very difficult to view this last week from afar, see the events unfold, hear the frankly disgusting racial comments from Barbara Bush, read many of the comments in this very thread, and not be saddened by the continuing issue of racial prejudice in this country. My opinion.
Message edited by author 2005-09-07 17:17:14. |
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09/04/2005 09:00:43 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Here is another article saying that the idea of the wild west in NOLA is kinda hyped:
From the L.A. Times,
Met by Despair, Not Violence *( G.I.'s in NOLA)*
//fairuse.1accesshost.com/news3/latimes138.html |
And here's a more recent article from the Associated Press saying that there ARE armed gunmen in NOLA ( make that WERE - they were shot ). An excerpt:
As authorities struggled to keep order, police shot eight people, killing five or six, after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said..
Message edited by author 2005-09-04 21:02:09. |
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09/04/2005 08:48:11 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
OOps!!!
Seems like all the talk about armed gunmen may well be complete bullfeathers!!
Ain't you embarassed? |
Who do you mean by "you"? |
You is a nonspecific term of English. Why, are "you" taking this personally? ;) Please don't. |
OK. I really wasn't sure whether I was included in the "you" you referred to. And apparently there WAS no specific group that you had in mind, ergo, I was right in assuming that you were just throwing it out to stir things up.
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Originally posted by RonB:
Is there a post in particular that stated that the talk of armed gunmen was MORE than "talk"? Or do you just like to stir things up by the use of accusatory rhetoric? I ask, because your's is the only post that uses either the words "armed" or "gunmen". |
Really? How about the first post in the thread. It talks about looters and thugs shooting police officers and helicopters.
I think that means they are using guns, which makes them armed. I am assuming they are men. Is that the issue?
Then the thread degrades into DPC posters talking about how the looters and shooters need to be shot. Seems pretty heated and stirred up already to me. |
I don't disagree that looters ( those that were stealing non-essential food, water, etc. ) and shooters ought to have been shot. But, according to you, there weren't any. Ergo, their statements dealt only with situations that were hypothetical, hence they have nothing to be ashamed of.
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Are YOU saying that DPC posters are calling for the shooting of people, based upon their knowledge that the stories are false, and not more than "talk"?
"accusatory rhetoric"? |
Heck, no. As I just said, their suggested actions were based on what they were hearing and reading, whether true or not. BUT the suggestions were directed only to those who WERE looting and/or shooting, not the general population. What, pray tell, did you find "shameful" in that?
Message edited by author 2005-09-04 20:48:55. |
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09/04/2005 08:25:49 PM · #14 |
Here is another article saying that the idea of the wild west in NOLA is kinda hyped:
From the L.A. Times,
Met by Despair, Not Violence *( G.I.'s in NOLA)*
//fairuse.1accesshost.com/news3/latimes138.html |
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09/04/2005 08:21:35 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
OOps!!!
Seems like all the talk about armed gunmen may well be complete bullfeathers!!
Ain't you embarassed? |
Who do you mean by "you"? |
You is a nonspecific term of English. Why, are "you" taking this personally? ;) Please don't.
Originally posted by RonB:
Is there a post in particular that stated that the talk of armed gunmen was MORE than "talk"? Or do you just like to stir things up by the use of accusatory rhetoric? I ask, because your's is the only post that uses either the words "armed" or "gunmen". |
Really? How about the first post in the thread. It talks about looters and thugs shooting police officers and helicopters.
I think that means they are using guns, which makes them armed. I am assuming they are men. Is that the issue?
Then the thread degrades into DPC posters talking about how the looters and shooters need to be shot. Seems pretty heated and stirred up already to me.
Are YOU saying that DPC posters are calling for the shooting of people, based upon their knowledge that the stories are false, and not more than "talk"?
"accusatory rhetoric"?
Message edited by author 2005-09-04 20:30:22. |
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09/04/2005 06:32:28 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
OOps!!!
Seems like all the talk about armed gunmen may well be complete bullfeathers!!
Ain't you embarassed? |
Who do you mean by "you"? Is there a post in particular that stated that the talk of armed gunmen was MORE than "talk"? Or do you just like to stir things up by the use of accusatory rhetoric? I ask, because your's is the only post that uses either the words "armed" or "gunmen".
Message edited by author 2005-09-04 18:33:36. |
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09/04/2005 06:09:45 PM · #17 |
OOps!!!
Seems like all the talk about armed gunmen may well be complete bullfeathers!!
Ain't you embarassed?
Spreading the poison of bigotry
By Howard Witt
Tribune senior correspondent
Published September 4, 2005
BATON ROUGE, La. -- They locked down the entrance doors Thursday at the Baton Rouge hotel where I'm staying alongside hundreds of New Orleans residents driven from their homes by Hurricane Katrina.
"Because of the riots," the hotel managers explained. Armed Gunmen from New Orleans were headed this way, they had heard.
"It's the blacks," whispered one white woman in the elevator. "We always worried this would happen."
Something else gave way last week besides the levees that had protected New Orleans from the waters surrounding it. The thin veneer of civility and practiced cordiality that in normal times masks the prejudices and bigotries held by many whites in this region of Deep South Louisiana was heavily battered as well.
All it took to set the rumor mills in motion were the first TV pictures broadcast Tuesday showing some looters—many of them black—smashing store windows in downtown New Orleans. Reports later in the week of sporadic violence and shootings among the desperate throngs outside the Superdome clamoring to be rescued only added to the panic.
By Thursday, local TV and radio stations in Baton Rouge—the only ones in the metro area still able to broadcast—were breezily passing along reports of cars being hijacked at gunpoint by New Orleans refugees, riots breaking out in the shelters set up in Baton Rouge to house the displaced, and guns and knives being seized.
Scarcely any of it was true—the police, for example, confiscated a single knife from a refugee in one Baton Rouge shelter. There were no riots in Baton Rouge. There were no armed hordes.
But all of it played directly into the darkest prejudices long held against the hundreds of thousands of impoverished blacks who live "down there," in New Orleans, that other world regarded by many white suburbanites—indeed, many people across the rest of the state—as a dangerous urban no-go area.
Now the floods were pushing tens of thousands of those inner-city residents deep into Baton Rouge and beyond. The TV pictures showed vast throngs of black people who had been trapped in downtown New Orleans disgorging out of rescue trucks and helicopters to be ushered onto buses headed west on Interstate Highway 10. The nervousness among many of the white evacuees in my hotel was palpable.
Few stopped to contemplate that the reason nearly all the people shown on TV were black was because that's who was left behind when the better-off New Orleans residents with the money and means to escape evacuated the city in advance of the storm.
Nor did they seem to notice that most of the refugees were bedraggled mothers and exhausted fathers and frightened children and ailing old people—ordinary, law-abiding citizens who had had little to begin with and escaped with absolutely nothing except the clothes on their backs and their lives.
And it wasn't just the uninformed, the idle and the bigoted spreading the poison with loaded language.
Baton Rouge Mayor-President Kip Holden, himself an African-American, blamed the state for sending "New Orleans thugs" to be sheltered in Baton Rouge and promptly slapped a dusk-to-dawn curfew on the main River Center shelter, which held 5,000 refugees from the storm.
"We do not want to inherit the looting and all the other foolishness that went on in New Orleans," Holden was quoted as telling the Baton Rouge Advocate in Thursday's edition. "We do not want to inherit that breed that seeks to prey on other people."
It was left to the Baton Rouge police chief to go on TV later in the day to try to cool the growing hysteria and point out that a single knife had been seized in the shelter. The mayor later said he had been misquoted by the newspaper.
But the damage had been done. The doors to my hotel stayed locked.
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09/03/2005 12:18:19 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by JayWalk:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
police have been documented looting dvd's and tv's as well...carjackings, rapes, murders...journalists have been beaten and robbed by thugs and in some cases the police... |
If you people have not seen this footage I highly recommend watching it to see how F'ed up people are! Police Looting |
That's hilarious...that reporters comments are really funny. He has balls, in other parts of the city the police would have beat him down from what I understand. |
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09/03/2005 11:36:07 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
police have been documented looting dvd's and tv's as well...carjackings, rapes, murders...journalists have been beaten and robbed by thugs and in some cases the police... |
If you people have not seen this footage I highly recommend watching it to see how F'ed up people are! Police Looting
Message edited by author 2005-09-03 11:36:28.
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09/03/2005 10:55:51 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by gibun:
Taking thugs, looters and rapers and dogs in a situation like this to jail costs money that could be better utilized. Shoot to kill! |
It's not as easy as that..If a soldier sees someone in a building with a gun,how does he determine if it's a looter,a wacko,or just a distressed homeowner trying to protect what little property remains?? |
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09/02/2005 11:06:38 PM · #21 |
| Taking thugs, looters and rapers and dogs in a situation like this to jail costs money that could be better utilized. Shoot to kill! |
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09/02/2005 11:05:47 PM · #22 |
| police have been documented looting dvd's and tv's as well...carjackings, rapes, murders...journalists have been beaten and robbed by thugs and in some cases the police... |
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09/02/2005 10:56:20 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
what music?
Originally posted by photodude:
We arent walking in those shoes and taking water, food etc in this situation is understandable.
However, in certain american sub cultures it is acceptable to loot, steal, carjack, shoot automatic weapons, etc. All I can say is just listen to the music
They are just getting their "respect", "props" or whatever.
So what's a free TV or wardrobe |
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The kind of "music" which celebrates such things as sex slavery, violence,bigotry, bitch-slapping "ho's", etc. |
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09/01/2005 11:30:28 PM · #24 |
what music?
Originally posted by photodude:
We arent walking in those shoes and taking water, food etc in this situation is understandable.
However, in certain american sub cultures it is acceptable to loot, steal, carjack, shoot automatic weapons, etc. All I can say is just listen to the music
They are just getting their "respect", "props" or whatever.
So what's a free TV or wardrobe |
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09/01/2005 11:22:35 PM · #25 |
| How about including those rascals being held down in Cuba? |
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