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08/09/2005 03:33:54 PM · #1 |
This is what I would have entered if it wasn't too early for the challenge.
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08/09/2005 03:01:42 PM · #2 |
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08/02/2005 03:21:01 PM · #3 |
Yay! A chance to spew my uh... spewings! I'll try to be brief.
Opinion: I might agree with TooCool about not posting outtakes until the voting is over, but mainly because I think some pics may be close to the entries and the discussion may taint some voters. I DO NOT agree that it should not be done so as to "avoid discouraging people" -
I think people should SPEAK ONLY FOR THEMSELVES - if it discourages YOU, feel free to state that (like fadoi). I have seen several posts by people who say "someone" might be discouraged. or "someone else" might be offended. The comments are often watered down with "it's not me, personally, but..." or "I am not trying to be politically correct, but..." Drives me nuts! Please stop trying to stick up for these usually non-existent victims of our boorish insensitivity and let them speak for themselves.
Observation: I love scanning through these threads and seeing the outtakes posted and the on-topic discussion take place in the midst of the flame wars, it's like they have some flame filtering glasses on or something. :)
Sorry if I have offended anyone or if anyone is offended by the fact that I may have offended (or discouraged) someone else, but not them.
1 opinion (give or take a few), 1 observation, 1 tangent rant, and 1 sarcastic apology. So much for being brief. ;-)
ps - I think beaflies put it most eloquently, IMO.
Message edited by author 2005-08-02 15:45:47. |
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08/02/2005 03:20:53 PM · #4 |
Ok - back to outtakes...would shutter speed of 1/5 count with a little motion blur to boot? A little overlap during the submission period for this challenge and the Freeman Patterson Workgroup. Had lots of fun stuff to wade thru! ;^)
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08/02/2005 03:15:32 PM · #5 |
one never knows ;o) heeheee
Originally posted by glad2badad:
How much time do you need?! ;^)
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
...oh wait i cant measure tonight...its challenge rollover night...guess I'll just have to wait till tomorrow night then *sighs* |
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08/02/2005 03:10:47 PM · #6 |
How much time do you need?! ;^)
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
...oh wait i cant measure tonight...its challenge rollover night...guess I'll just have to wait till tomorrow night then *sighs* |
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08/02/2005 02:55:34 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by beaflies:
Glad,
check out VIEW FIRST again, answered your Q.
Originally posted by TooCool:
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Instead of name and behavior calling, try to argue your points...
I do believe the points have been clearly stated on both sides of the arguement. I also believe that no decision will be made from this discussion, as both sides have valid points. It may seem flakey but your only real option may be to 'agree to disagree'. However some awarenees is certainly gained here. I shall try to be more sensitive to newcomers, perhaps post my warning at the beginning of each outtake forum? (and yes outtake forums will happen during voting, far too contageous now I think...)
To any who have found this sight intimidating at any time, please take the time to re-examine your fears. We are all learning, and on an innumerable variety of skill levels. There are some really astounding photographers here, but even they have much to learn still. It just never ends. I am reminded of a scene in the movie Karate Kid (quit snickering) The kid asks his teacher why he didn't fight for (a girlfriend or something, can't remember) back in Japan, teacher says, 'in Japan everyone know Karate, ALWAYS somebody better than you'. Being the best is simply not a reasonable goal in photography or any art form.
This site is an opportunity to absorb and experiment AT NO COST OR CONSEQUENCE if you "fail". The only true failure is the failure not to GROW, and fear will only suffocate growth. |
very well spoken..bravo! (i have a lot to learn about putting my thoughts in words i guess ..ure a fine teacher Bea)) |
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08/02/2005 02:48:06 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by notonline:
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
my outtake is too much like my entry so i cant post it but im sure it would be scoring higher than the one i did enter...damn that hubby of mine...why do i keep listning to him? after 14 years i should know by now not to listen to a word he says! LMAO!! :o)
dont listen to hubby....dont listen to hubby.....dont listen to hubby |
You can't listen to your husband. For years he's been telling you that it IS 6 inches. lol j/k |
=O its not??? time to investigate that one* grabs measureing tape* now i just have to wait for him to come home..oh wait i cant measure tonight...its challenge rollover night...guess I'll just have to wait till tomorrow night then *sighs*
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08/02/2005 12:46:57 PM · #9 |
Glad,
check out VIEW FIRST again, answered your Q.
Originally posted by TooCool:
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Instead of name and behavior calling, try to argue your points...
I do believe the points have been clearly stated on both sides of the arguement. I also believe that no decision will be made from this discussion, as both sides have valid points. It may seem flakey but your only real option may be to 'agree to disagree'. However some awarenees is certainly gained here. I shall try to be more sensitive to newcomers, perhaps post my warning at the beginning of each outtake forum? (and yes outtake forums will happen during voting, far too contageous now I think...)
To any who have found this sight intimidating at any time, please take the time to re-examine your fears. We are all learning, and on an innumerable variety of skill levels. There are some really astounding photographers here, but even they have much to learn still. It just never ends. I am reminded of a scene in the movie Karate Kid (quit snickering) The kid asks his teacher why he didn't fight for (a girlfriend or something, can't remember) back in Japan, teacher says, 'in Japan everyone know Karate, ALWAYS somebody better than you'. Being the best is simply not a reasonable goal in photography or any art form.
This site is an opportunity to absorb and experiment AT NO COST OR CONSEQUENCE if you "fail". The only true failure is the failure not to GROW, and fear will only suffocate growth.
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08/02/2005 05:30:49 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by beaflies:
...We could try posting a warning of the harm that is possible in viewing outtakes...
 VIEW FIRST!
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Funny one Bea! ;^)
I like this outtake: 
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08/02/2005 05:27:46 AM · #11 |
Name calling? Sorry, I missed it...what post was it?
15 people point out that you are wrong...huh? Maybe 3.
Making it a bit larger than it is I think.
Originally posted by TooCool:
...On a side note, why is it that when I state my belief that outtakes shouldn't be posted till after a challenge it's whining, but when 15 people point out that I'm wrong, that's not? Instead of name and behavior calling, try to argue your points... |
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08/02/2005 04:07:31 AM · #12 |
the harmless kind |
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08/02/2005 03:19:11 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by messerschmitt:
so u can have every prove of point if that makes u happy i dont care
just NOT the one where u state your fear of better images leads to intimidation of newcomers cause like i said thats totally wrong imo and against every principle of learning and to me thats mainly what this site is about
AMEN |
OK... I guess since you say it's not right and you say it won't deter new people from entering challenges it must be OK... However I'm not convinced and will continue to politic against these threads during challenges...
Once again. I'm not against outtake threads... just don't think they belong during the voting or submission periods...
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08/02/2005 02:45:44 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by messerschmitt:
Originally posted by toocool:
Originally posted by faidoi:
One reason that I haven't entered in awhile. |
8 words that prove my point... |
to me it does prove there is one person who maybe decided his work is not good enuff to 'bore' other people with in challenges and that might be a very well decision for everyone involved |
I don't follow your reasoning here. I state that it isn't appropriate to post outtakes during the voting period. Faidoi states that that is one reason that i haven't entered in awhile and from this you concluded that his work is boring? Please explain your logic.
On a side note, why is it that when I state my belief that outtakes shouldn't be posted till after a challenge it's whining, but when 15 people point out that I'm wrong, that's not? Instead of name and behavior calling, try to argue your points...
Edited to fix messerschmitt's botched quoting... |
im the first one to admit that the quoting here is not chosen very well
and i truly apologize for this
Faidoi he is a perfect member here and his work is not even near to boring let there be no mistake about it (wonder where i have that quote from..)
so lets go back to my point wich IS important
my point is that if someone states here in public that it might be a consideration to prevent members from posting outtakes for the reason that newcomers might get impressed by these and decide not to enter a post for that reason is totally wrong because i think thats the essence of learning, getting impressed and thus have motivation for knowing how its done and hve a drive to try and do it urself
a second advantage of people taking a decision not to enter yet because they might have doubts of the quality of their images (wich might be a very natural healthy and wise decision) is that there would not be challenges with 500 entries wich IMO is just too much and the proportion between wheat and chaff is disbalanced
about the issue of sending the outtakes after or while the voting thats not a big issue to me at all
i think its okay thats all i have to say about it
so u can have every prove of point if that makes u happy i dont care
just NOT the one where u state your fear of better images leads to intimidation of newcomers cause like i said thats totally wrong imo and against every principle of learning and to me thats mainly what this site is about
AMEN
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08/02/2005 01:41:45 AM · #15 |
I suppose to be fair to those who can't wait to post outtakes (enthusiasm does die after voting) and to those who are still a little insecure about their photography skills. We could try posting a warning of the harm that is possible in viewing outtakes...
VIEW FIRST!
That said here are some more "outtakes" ;D
 Airport restaurant, campfire fun,
 driving lights,  dragon abstract,  dog blur.
Message edited by author 2005-08-02 01:43:20.
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08/02/2005 01:03:15 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by messerschmitt:
Originally posted by toocool:
Originally posted by faidoi:
One reason that I haven't entered in awhile. |
8 words that prove my point... |
to me it does prove there is one person who maybe decided his work is not good enuff to 'bore' other people with in challenges and that might be a very well decision for everyone involved |
I don't follow your reasoning here. I state that it isn't appropriate to post outtakes during the voting period. Faidoi states that that is one reason that i haven't entered in awhile and from this you concluded that his work is boring? Please explain your logic.
On a side note, why is it that when I state my belief that outtakes shouldn't be posted till after a challenge it's whining, but when 15 people point out that I'm wrong, that's not? Instead of name and behavior calling, try to argue your points...
Edited to fix messerschmitt's botched quoting...
Message edited by author 2005-08-02 01:05:24.
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08/01/2005 08:56:03 PM · #17 |
I went out and took one for this challenge but totally forgot to post it...
Stupid me.
Message edited by author 2005-08-01 21:05:54. |
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08/01/2005 08:53:50 PM · #18 |
My entry is better (I hope) and quite different. I've found that I don't score well with color shots, so this would have been an interesting choice for me.
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08/01/2005 08:49:37 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
my outtake is too much like my entry so i cant post it but im sure it would be scoring higher than the one i did enter...damn that hubby of mine...why do i keep listning to him? after 14 years i should know by now not to listen to a word he says! LMAO!! :o)
dont listen to hubby....dont listen to hubby.....dont listen to hubby |
You can't listen to your husband. For years he's been telling you that it IS 6 inches. lol j/k
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08/01/2005 08:49:21 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
my outtake is too much like my entry so i cant post it ... |
Mine too! I'd realy like some advice on 2 specifically, but they all have one thing in common which would give away my entry. guess I'll have to wait.
Oh and DUH, never listen to hubby! lol |
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08/01/2005 08:47:51 PM · #21 |
You should always listen to your hubby, but don't do what they picked. :-)
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
my outtake is too much like my entry so i cant post it but im sure it would be scoring higher than the one i did enter...damn that hubby of mine...why do i keep listning to him? after 14 years i should know by now not to listen to a word he says! LMAO!! :o)
dont listen to hubby....dont listen to hubby.....dont listen to hubby |
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08/01/2005 08:44:57 PM · #22 |
my outtake is too much like my entry so i cant post it but im sure it would be scoring higher than the one i did enter...damn that hubby of mine...why do i keep listning to him? after 14 years i should know by now not to listen to a word he says! LMAO!! :o)
dont listen to hubby....dont listen to hubby.....dont listen to hubby
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08/01/2005 08:40:37 PM · #23 |
This is one I got Friday night but I unsubmitted as I wasn't happy with it and thought it would do badly. I'm a bit gun shy. I had my best result in the zoo 6.7 and for tools of the trade I have my worst 4.5!
Any thoughs comments?
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08/01/2005 08:36:01 PM · #24 |
I took this one and it fits the challenge but was not the type of shot I wanted to enter... I never did get the shot so no entry this time
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08/01/2005 08:16:41 PM · #25 |
Here's the one I wanted to submit for the Long Exposure challenge, but I thought it would get beat up for being too bright around the windows and door.
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