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03/08/2005 09:42:28 PM · #1 |
WOW...how far this conversation has gone since I left for work!!
First off, I think our original idea was to build on the incredible compassion of the members here and turn it into something a little more lasting than one day of giving. I believe this to be a chance to make an actual difference in the communities in which we live. To share a common passion with people who may otherwise not be able to participate. That is my main drive. To others who have graciously offered to sit on a governing board that may differ slightly. That is what a mandate and mission statement will hash out.
I would like to make it clear though that this was in no way started as a way to award each other for the top placing entry in any given challenge. If that is the direction this takes, then I will excuse myself from any further dealings.
Rex, sorry I haven't responded to you yet. I had to go to work and have been reading emails since I got home! I'll pm later this evening.
Finally I'd just like to say that there is a need for this sort of organization. You need not look any further than your own backyard, and if done properly will have a positive effect on a great number of people. It does however take time to organize, establish a mandate, and put into action. This is not an overnight deal....there is a long road ahead for whomever agrees to participate and I would like people to keep that in mind before jumping in.
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03/08/2005 09:13:58 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by RANDOD300:
Originally posted by capgal:
I'm in no way the spokes-person for this endeavor, but I think the point is to provide people in need with equipment, in order to express themselves....
Not a contest, competition or raffle to give people with decent equipment "dream" equipment...
We seek to be a non-profit organization, to better people's lives... or something like that...
Deb |
First of all I never said so people can update to get dream equipment!
I have read many of posts in the forums that a DSLR is a dream camera!
What I did say was that some people here update thier camera when ever something new comes out.
Why not buy one from a member who is upgrading to the new toys instead of buying it from a stranger on EBAY was my thought that is all.
The only thing I thought the member would get is a quick and easy sale of their old camera to the group of people that kicked in few bucks. |
That makes sense, to have DPC members inform "us" of any camera sales they may be conducting on ebay or other like sites, if they wish....
Deb |
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03/08/2005 09:02:19 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by capgal:
I'm in no way the spokes-person for this endeavor, but I think the point is to provide people in need with equipment, in order to express themselves....
Not a contest, competition or raffle to give people with decent equipment "dream" equipment...
We seek to be a non-profit organization, to better people's lives... or something like that...
Deb |
First of all I never said so people can update to get dream equipment!
I have read many of posts in the forums that a DSLR is a dream camera!
What I did say was that some people here update thier camera when ever something new comes out.
Why not buy one from a member who is upgrading to the new toys instead of buying it from a stranger on EBAY was my thought that is all.
The only thing I thought the member would get is a quick and easy sale of their old camera to the group of people that kicked in few bucks.
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03/08/2005 08:10:07 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Paul, can we twist your arm and get you on board? You seem to have such abundant knowledge that's needed. |
I'm trying to chip in where I can ... I'm not really in a position to make any specific commitments right now -- maybe as this project takes shape I'll be better able to assess if there's a regular role I can take on.
In the meantime, one of my best talents is telling other people how they should do things : )
I have experience with non-profits, and the social dynamics which often overwhelm the original goals ... I'd love to see one which could avoid those -- but it ain't easy! Remember if you get into a project like this, you're into it for a minimum of 3-5 years of a lot of work and no money ... |
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03/08/2005 08:01:41 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by rex07734:
How long does it take to get a conformation e-mail on the forum. I registered and still haven't gotten one. |
It seems to be pretty instantaneous. It must be your spam filter caught it. Look in the spam bin. |
Nope not there. I also PM'ed Dave about being involved in this project and never got an e-mail back from him. Maybe he had too many replies.
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03/08/2005 08:00:02 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by rex07734:
How long does it take to get a conformation e-mail on the forum. I registered and still haven't gotten one. |
I never got mine either. |
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03/08/2005 07:57:21 PM · #7 |
| Paul, can we twist your arm and get you on board? You seem to have such abundant knowledge that's needed. |
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03/08/2005 07:55:42 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by rex07734:
How long does it take to get a conformation e-mail on the forum. I registered and still haven't gotten one. |
It seems to be pretty instantaneous. It must be your spam filter caught it. Look in the spam bin. |
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03/08/2005 07:55:05 PM · #9 |
How long does it take to get a conformation e-mail on the forum. I registered and still haven't gotten one.
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03/08/2005 07:54:07 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Well I guess perhaps I should drop the idea I mentioned as it hasn't gotten any positive feedback. The other about the non-profit organization sounds like a great idea - just not for me. Too organized and too many rules. I'll keep an eye and see how you all are doing with it and I wish you all luck. Martin. |
There are just two completely separate ideas going on, with the only thing in common is that they involve money.
I think the issue of prizes for challenge winners is a valid one for discussion (and has been in the past), but it's inappropriate for this thread. Perhaps you can start a new one if you want to revisit the issue.
I heartily second whoever said that this is a long-term enterprise which should not be rushed into. What you want is a 501(c)3 non-profit, tax-exempt corporation with an educational mission. You probably do not want a Foundation, though.
I highly suggest whoever is going to front this project during the initial phase check out the legal resources at Nolo Press, where they have books on forming corporations (including non-profits), complete with many fill-in-the-blank forms which you can use for most of the paperwork. But there's a lot to work out ... starting with what state do you incorporate in -- there's no provision for forming a corporation which is internet-based (yet). There would probably have to be at least one annual meeting where the Board members are physically present, and I think the minimum number of members is three, although you can have pretty much as many as you want. I think the incorporation probably requires a minimum three signatories -- I don't know if they can be mailed around or if they have to be signed all at once.
The main elements are the Articles of Incorporation, which include the "Mission Statement" (although I think a different term is used), and Bylaws, or methods/rules of operations.
Take a long time and hash these out thoroughly before you start, or you will end up re-hashing them interminably en lieu of performing the actual mission ...
Oh, and it should be kept a distinct entity from DPC.
As a non-profit, it would be in a position to solicit discontinued cameras and accessories for placement in schools and for the needy. It could send (maybe even stipend) people to go to schools, community centers, shelters, etc. and give classes in basic use of the cameras, or more. It could try and get old computers to "the needy" so they can edit and share their photos.
The kids at my son's school are always wanting to use my camera to take some pictures ... |
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03/08/2005 07:35:55 PM · #11 |
BTW, I just wanted to express my thanks and admiration for "boatright" creating the new forum for this. I am amazed by the skills and talents here on DPC, and thank you for your gift.
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03/08/2005 07:33:37 PM · #12 |
| I think what Martin is suggesting is something like the "extreme Make-over Home Edition idea, whereby people submit an essay and video ( in this case photo essay or seperate challenge,as to why they are desereving and then the producers decide who is in need and builds them a house ( in this case upgrades their camera). Kinda like a scholorship application. I don't think its a bad idea, just needs to be structured to suit DPC community. |
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03/08/2005 07:20:10 PM · #13 |
Try it now...You should be activated....
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03/08/2005 07:19:37 PM · #14 |
I never meant to shoot down people's ideas... just wanted to make sure people didn't get confused as to what we hope to offer with this endeavor... I don't want people thinking we're all about upgrading fellow DPC'ers equipment, if thats not our goal... with some of the posts, thats the impression I had gotten...
Deb |
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03/08/2005 07:06:19 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Well I guess perhaps I should drop the idea I mentioned as it hasn't gotten any positive feedback. The other about the non-profit organization sounds like a great idea - just not for me. Too organized and too many rules. I'll keep an eye and see how you all are doing with it and I wish you all luck. Martin. |
I am in the same boat sort of. We will just both keep on the look out for when and where we might be able to do some good, OK? I personally thank you for wonderful spirit you brought to nearly 24 hours of DPC and hope it continues to feel this wnderful!
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03/08/2005 07:04:33 PM · #16 |
Stephen--I still can't get in the forums. It sent me the email, but the link doesn't work. And that killed the user name and email address. I just tried registering under a different name but it didn't like the fact that I had the same email address.
Activation key was:
//www.beamishboyproductions.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=activate&u=5&act_key=4a8371 |
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03/08/2005 07:02:17 PM · #17 |
Well I guess perhaps I should drop the idea I mentioned as it hasn't gotten any positive feedback. The other about the non-profit organization sounds like a great idea - just not for me. Too organized and too many rules. I'll keep an eye and see how you all are doing with it and I wish you all luck. Martin.
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03/08/2005 06:44:52 PM · #18 |
Just want to let people know who didn't see it before....I set up a message board for those who want to get involved in this....and yes, capgal is right...I believe we're thinking of something bigger than just DPC, although if someone wanted to do something here that would be swell too.
Here's the link to the message board:
//www.beamishboyproductions.com/phpBB2/phpBB2/
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03/08/2005 06:44:51 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by capgal:
I'm in no way the spokes-person for this endeavor, but I think the point is to provide people in need with equipment, in order to express themselves....
Not a contest, competition or raffle to give people with decent equipment "dream" equipment...
We seek to be a non-profit organization, to better people's lives... or something like that...
Deb |
I think this turned out to be something I can't really relate to also. There are many folks at DPC who use photography to let their souls sing and to even perform self-therapy. It isn't always DPC-ribbon-winning stuff, but how do you score a measure of the soul? I think for me personally, it is better to try to help in my own little corner if I see something I can do for someone who just seems to need it right then, regardless of whether their photogrpahy is great. I still support all good things here!
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03/08/2005 06:43:59 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by capgal:
I'm in no way the spokes-person for this endeavor, but I think the point is to provide people in need with equipment, in order to express themselves....
Not a contest, competition or raffle to give people with decent equipment "dream" equipment...
We seek to be a non-profit organization, to better people's lives... or something like that...
Deb |
I'm talking about something totally seperate. I'm sure we could do both at once. And a basic DSLR is not exactly dream equipment. It would be considerded the minimum required equipment for anyone venturing in to photography as a career.
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03/08/2005 06:39:52 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by RANDOD300:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by RANDOD300:
Originally posted by Kylie:
[quote=RANDOD300] Just a thought guys
How about makeing it a two way deal for the members.
DSLR's are such a high end item and some people here update there equipment when ever something new comes out .
Why take collection to buy a members used DSLR camera at a fair price and have a challenge for the Non DSLR members with that camera as the prize. |
I am just so afraid that if money or products were at stake, that the arguments after the challenge would take on a whole new dimension. Right now, it is all for recognition, etc., but no actual "prizes". How about auctioning those off? |
I just thought it would be very easy for the members here to help ,it could all be kept in house and very simple ,you could have a couple or what ever a year every body who wants to could kick in a few bucks and a member could get a fair price for their equipment and another member could get a better camera that we all helped them win. |
So how do you pick the member? [/quote
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I don't know maybe highest average fo the people who want to sell a camera ,vote to pick a number .anyway!
I don't think it would really matter .I think the end result of somebody winning a dream camera for themselfs and all the members who kicked in few bucks gets to see what they can do with it,I just think we have means to help people with there photography more this way thats all. |
Yes, I think we must have come to the same conclusion simultaniously. Istead of a ribbon winner we give the four memberships away to the four non-members who have the highest average score from their best four challenges in the months of April and May. If that goes smoothly we can then think about the DSLR. That would assure that someone just popping in and taking a ribbon doesn't walk away with everthing and probably go to someone who was both dedicated and consistant.
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03/08/2005 06:36:45 PM · #22 |
I'm in no way the spokes-person for this endeavor, but I think the point is to provide people in need with equipment, in order to express themselves....
Not a contest, competition or raffle to give people with decent equipment "dream" equipment...
We seek to be a non-profit organization, to better people's lives... or something like that...
Deb |
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03/08/2005 06:34:25 PM · #23 |
sorry **edited**
Message edited by author 2005-03-08 21:54:40. |
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03/08/2005 06:33:17 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by RANDOD300:
Originally posted by Kylie:
[quote=RANDOD300] Just a thought guys
How about makeing it a two way deal for the members.
DSLR's are such a high end item and some people here update there equipment when ever something new comes out .
Why take collection to buy a members used DSLR camera at a fair price and have a challenge for the Non DSLR members with that camera as the prize. |
I am just so afraid that if money or products were at stake, that the arguments after the challenge would take on a whole new dimension. Right now, it is all for recognition, etc., but no actual "prizes". How about auctioning those off? |
I just thought it would be very easy for the members here to help ,it could all be kept in house and very simple ,you could have a couple or what ever a year every body who wants to could kick in a few bucks and a member could get a fair price for their equipment and another member could get a better camera that we all helped them win. |
So how do you pick the member? [/quote
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I don't know maybe highest average fo the people who want to sell a camera ,vote to pick a number .anyway!
I don't think it would really matter .I think the end result of somebody winning a dream camera for themselfs and all the members who kicked in few bucks gets to see what they can do with it,I just think we have means to help people with there photography more this way thats all. |
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03/08/2005 06:27:11 PM · #25 |
I have a Sony Mavica FD83 I could donate in all its .3 megapixel glory. Oh wait, I wouldn't want my worst enemy to have this camera. All those freakin' floppies.
Message edited by author 2005-03-08 18:27:31. |
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