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03/07/2005 02:02:19 PM · #1
Originally posted by hdogg4u:

You can use the lasso tool and select the dust or blob then use the dust and scratchs filter or is not legal in basic editing.

Simply put select the blob with the lasso tool.
filter>Noise>Dust & Scratchs
Now using the sliders you can remove the dust and scratchs

remember to see it clearly you have to zoom in about 300% to 400%
hint option+h or ctrl+h hides the selection so that you can match the colors better.

Thought I would mention this may work for some of you that have photoshop.


No process that uses any form of selection of a part of the image, except for cropping, is allowed in basic editing.

Robt.
03/07/2005 01:18:04 PM · #2
I have Photoshop but I could see where this rule change would hurt those that don't have it. I think the Basic Editing rules are fine the way they are. It makes me think more about what I am photographing and to try and get it as close to right as I can in the camera. Better learning for me. Just my two cents.

Message edited by author 2005-03-07 14:04:44.
03/07/2005 01:01:22 PM · #3
You can use the lasso tool and select the dust or blob then use the dust and scratchs filter or is not legal in basic editing.

Simply put select the blob with the lasso tool.
filter>Noise>Dust & Scratchs
Now using the sliders you can remove the dust and scratchs

remember to see it clearly you have to zoom in about 300% to 400%
hint option+h or ctrl+h hides the selection so that you can match the colors better.

Thought I would mention this may work for some of you that have photoshop.
03/07/2005 09:23:27 AM · #4
My Minolta just had it's first ecounter with dust about three weeks ago. I was forced to disassemble the entire camera clean it and reassemble it. This was about a two week process for me. Man I need to upgrade. So I am 100% for dust and hot pixel removal. Some of us expecialy the beginers can't aford to buy a new camera everytime we get a hot spot.
03/07/2005 09:18:03 AM · #5
Can I pleeze be allowed to use clone instead of healing brush since I only have PSP and not PS?

Oh, and by the way, can I please use it to correct the dust spot from where I forgot to clean my polarizer? Oh, that's a fingerprint smudge on my lens. Hmmm. I think I should be allowed to fix that.

This is NOT a good idea. Folks with DSLRs and Adobe Photoshop have enough advantages over the rest of us. Leave it alone.
03/07/2005 09:00:03 AM · #6
I'm ambivalent about this myself, although I do like the simplicity of the basic rules and think this might be open to abuse. ("I thought the smudge on that rock was sensor dust...") But I do see the reasoning behind this request and am not really opposed to allowing dust removal either. However, if the rules are modified, please don't restrict the allowable tools; not all photo editors have a "healing brush".
03/07/2005 06:20:02 AM · #7
Having just had my first run in with sensor dust (a pretty nasty run in at that) I'm in full support of this motion. Not that I didn't like my bridges entry, but I had another one I liked better that I couldn't submit because of a giant dust splotch.

Message edited by author 2005-03-07 06:21:14.
03/07/2005 05:41:09 AM · #8
Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Only dslr users suffer from dust spots.


Not so. I got dust in my Fuji 4900Z and there wasn't any way to take it out. Was time to upgrade anyway, but...

Robt.


Yeah my wife has just got some dust in her Finepix S7000, fortunatly in in the eye piece area and does not effect the photo at this stage.

But I also think this for dead pixels as well. Why not. You can clean your sensor and have only 1 lens change on location and suffer from dust, I can't see the harm in allowing it to be healed or cloned out.
03/07/2005 04:05:01 AM · #9
Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Only dslr users suffer from dust spots.


Not so. I got dust in my Fuji 4900Z and there wasn't any way to take it out. Was time to upgrade anyway, but...

Robt.
03/07/2005 02:44:35 AM · #10
Only dslr users suffer from dust spots.

For dslr users to submit their shots in the best possible light, ( no pun intended), they need to ensure their sensors are clean when shooting. If not.....go back and reshoot.

FWIW, the best method I've found for sensor cleaning is the copperhill method posted above.

bazz.
03/06/2005 06:50:22 PM · #11
Originally posted by redmoon:

... is it worth considering a slight amendment to the basic rules challenge to allow the the irradication of little dust spots, specifically by only using the healing brush tool?


Hi redmoon. Your idea will have my whole-hearted support as soon as you buy me the software that has that tool in it.

This is supposed to be an educational site, to teach digital photography to all, not just to those who have DSLRs. Part of what can be learned is how to take care of your equipment. That includes cleaning lenses and sensors, and practices that help them stay clean. Changing the rules to allow dust removal is not educating. It is dumbing-down.

People have to stop thinking of photoshop as the all-purpose remedy for everything they do wrong with their cameras.

Leave the Basic Rules alone. Let the newbies have a place to learn.

Don't vote down an entry in an Open Challenge because of minor dust spots. Learn to recognize them, and allow for them. Next week it might be your great shot that has a couple of dust spots on it.
03/06/2005 05:41:28 PM · #12
I completely agree... in the above photograph the dust specs distract your eye. Even if you know the photographer was not allowed to edit them out because of rules, you will most likely not vote it as high as you would because your brain doesnt see it as perfect, even if you try to rationalize that oh he couldnt take out the spots... so all in all, it would hurt his score...

03/06/2005 05:23:45 PM · #13
Yeah but how many times have you been told that a little bit of dodge or burn or selecting an area for unsharpen mask would improve your photo even though its a basic editing challenge.

The voters do not always understand the rules or forget what rules the challenge comes under.
03/06/2005 05:08:27 PM · #14
Originally posted by Telehubbie:

I liked this but I didn't submit this one for the bridges challenge because of the dust spots:



I can honestly say that in a Basic challenge I would not have voted you down because of the dust spots. I guess if it was right in the middle of a portrait or the like then maybe.
03/06/2005 04:55:55 PM · #15
Originally posted by Gurilla:

Just wondering if this has been discussed at all by those who have the power to make a decision or recommendation.

I think its a great idea and should be followed up on.


It has definitely been discussed, and I will bump up the previous discussion.
03/06/2005 04:12:46 PM · #16
I'd support this amendment as well.
03/06/2005 04:08:45 PM · #17
I liked this but I didn't submit this one for the bridges challenge because of the dust spots:

03/06/2005 03:38:39 PM · #18
Just wondering if this has been discussed at all by those who have the power to make a decision or recommendation.

I think its a great idea and should be followed up on.
01/16/2005 10:59:19 PM · #19
Yeah... I know at least a few times i have not submitted a good picture because it was a basic editing, and the dust puppies made the photo look like total crap.
01/16/2005 10:51:20 PM · #20
Originally posted by orussell:

Originally posted by Riggs:

Who will detrmine what "dust" is? Sounds like an easy way to correct imperfections to a photo to me.

If you change it to "just dust" you may as well just open it up as in member challenges.


But then there's one less inticement to become a paying member.


That's a good point, but remember that "paying" members also compete in open challenges. I favor allowing the removal of dust spots in open challenges, and I don't think I am opposed to using the advanced editing rules for open challenges either.
01/16/2005 10:35:39 PM · #21
Add my vote to allowing dust removal. I had to let a great shot go by a few months ago due to a hair on the sensor.
01/16/2005 10:34:13 PM · #22
couldn't you technically 'color-burn' the dust spot out under the basic rules? Seems ok since it's not 'changing pixel location or relation to one another'?

Had this dust spot problem a while ago. Whent down to wolf camera and got a lil' hand squeeze blower. That combined with a super soft cloth got it right off. No more problems. Seems odd to change the rules to encompass a photographer error. The hot pixel one I agree with. Not everyone has replacement camera money or the money to have it 'fixed'.
It just seems less appropriate to allow photographers to fix mechanical mistakes instead of cleaning their gear.

Joe
01/16/2005 10:22:24 PM · #23
Originally posted by kearock:

Can we include hot pixels in "dust"? ...

It has not even be implemented yet, and already the expansion has begun. ;)

David
01/16/2005 09:40:06 PM · #24
Can we include hot pixels in "dust"? I don't shoot with my C-2100 much any more, but when I do, there's one that can be very annoying.
01/16/2005 09:21:01 PM · #25
Originally posted by Riggs:

Who will detrmine what "dust" is? Sounds like an easy way to correct imperfections to a photo to me.

If you change it to "just dust" you may as well just open it up as in member challenges.


But then there's one less inticement to become a paying member.
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