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12/13/2004 11:38:52 PM · #1
As much as I hate to lock a thread that was so well-intentioned when it started, it looks like I have no choice.

jimmythefish: Use of another photographer's copyrighted material in a derogatory or defamatory manner is not permissible.

David Ey: More than a few of your posts in this thread are hateful and unnecessary. I'd suggest taking a long look in the mirror before accusing other people of acting in a hateful or attacking manner

To everyone else: The report post button exists for a reason. If you see a post that violates the forum rules please don't stoop to the poster's level. Just report it and move on, and let us take care of it.

-Terry
12/13/2004 10:55:31 PM · #2
Well, he should be dead rather than sucking up our tax dollars.

[quote=Spazmo99] [/Oh, BTW, Ted Kaczynski AKA The Unabomber is not dead, rather he is serving 4 consecutive life sentences in Coloradoquote]
12/13/2004 10:45:22 PM · #3
Originally posted by David Ey:


...JackTheRipper, David Koresh, Unibomber, Jeffery Dahlmer, Adolf Hitler and on and on, all pathetic dregs of society. I'll bet there is not one of you who isn't glad they are dead.
Dimebag was nothing more than one of these low-lifes who glorified drug use to our children. He was a drug promoter and the world is better without these immoral leaches who will do anything to make a dollar without reguard to the damage they do. I guess none of you supporters have any family or friends whose life has been ruined by drugs. Well, maybe you won't, but more than likely you will. Then you will understand. Did you see Dimebag's picture? The one with the razorblade hung around his neck? He was one sick piece of crap.



As for JackTheRipper, David Koresh, Unabomber, Jeffery Dahlmer, Adolf Hitler etc. I am glad they are not hurting others anymore, but no matter how dispicable the sins of a man are, his death is not a cause for celebration. I feel sorry for their victims, and sorry for the things that made them what they were. I hate the sin, not the sinner.

Dimebag Darrel may not have been your idea of a model citizen, but he was still a human being. One of God's children, deserving of compassion and mercy, as are you, me and every other person on this earth.

Oh, BTW, Ted Kaczynski AKA The Unabomber is not dead, rather he is serving 4 consecutive life sentences in Colorado.

Message edited by author 2004-12-13 22:45:39.
12/13/2004 09:37:57 PM · #4
To the officers of record of dpChallenge:
These photos are the copyrighted property of David Ey. They are mis-named and there has been no direct credit given to the owner.
Jimmythefish has renamed them with derogratory labels to directly slander David Ey and has directed a personal attack at me in this forum.
I have given no one permission to use these photos other than DPChallenge. I have directed jimmythefish and site council to remove the photos to no avail. Please remove his use of them at once.

And to the rest of you:
In regard to the photos as labeled by jimmythefish

Lust ...jimmythefish knows not what is within my heart. It may be he has lust for these models but I do not. The photo was taken on the dock where I keep my boat. The photographer in front of the models was positioning them for his shot and I felt this was a unique shot for me to make. I used the negetive entry to minimize the impact of their scant attire.

Greed and Pride...I have no idea where he derives greed or pride from this photo. This is a car I am in the process of rebuilding and one of my friends wanted to see some in-process shots. Many members of dpc use this site to store photos they want to direct others to.

Gluttony...jimmythefish, I hope you are none of your loved ones never has a medical problem which requires high dose steroids. They blow you up like a toad.

...JackTheRipper, David Koresh, Unibomber, Jeffery Dahlmer, Adolf Hitler and on and on, all pathetic dregs of society. I'll bet there is not one of you who isn't glad they are dead.
Dimebag was nothing more than one of these low-lifes who glorified drug use to our children. He was a drug promoter and the world is better without these immoral leaches who will do anything to make a dollar without reguard to the damage they do. I guess none of you supporters have any family or friends whose life has been ruined by drugs. Well, maybe you won't, but more than likely you will. Then you will understand. Did you see Dimebag's picture? The one with the razorblade hung around his neck? He was one sick piece of crap.



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12/13/2004 02:27:03 PM · #5
Thank you very much for your comments bibliophile and every one else. I will stop posting anymore threads. Goodbye all.
12/13/2004 02:11:38 PM · #6
I am a huge Metallica fan and still feel grief when I think about Cliff and the loss of his death constituted to the band, heavy metal and music in general. Although I was never a rabid Pantara or Damageplan fan I liked their music and feel horrible about this latest loss. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of those killed.

R.I.P. Darrel
and peace to DPC.

PS Let's remember that this started as a thread to honor the dead, and let's end this bickering now by not taking the bait any more than we already have.

Message edited by author 2004-12-13 14:19:33.
12/13/2004 12:29:50 PM · #7
David, I was merely trying to point out how insensitive and ridiculous you're being. You made an incredibly insensitive, flippant, offensive judgement on someone based on a whole series of assumptions. I did the same. Your comments were personal attacks (mine weren't, if you read carefully, just observations) but with the addition of the person being not present. Do you normally go to funerals of people you didn't like or didn't agree with on a moral basis and hurl insults at the bereaved? Get a life, really. Nobody here is interested in you defending your own 'sins' (I don't believe in any of that crap) because I'm sure everyone thinks the same way. You can justify your own actions and their contradictions to both literal and figurative translations of the Bible, that's up to you.

To come here and piss on a casket is just plain wrong. He meant a great deal to a lot of people, and their feelings are real. Clearly you can dish it out but can't take it in the least.

Originally posted by David Ey:

You were right the first time but you let your friend talk you out of it.
I'll respond to the charges later but first, DPC has permission to use my photos, not anyone else here. You, Jimmythefish, did not even give me proper credit. You or site council remove them imediately.


Message edited by author 2004-12-13 12:31:39.
12/13/2004 12:10:32 PM · #8
You were right the first time but you let your friend talk you out of it.
I'll respond to the charges later but first, DPC has permission to use my photos, not anyone else here. You, Jimmythefish, did not even give me proper credit. You or site council remove them imediately.


Originally posted by mk:

I've just gone through and removed a number of personal attacks. Heated conversation is fine, personal attacks are not. Kindly refrain before this thread needs to be locked. Thanks.


Message edited by author 2004-12-13 12:12:03.
12/13/2004 09:41:06 AM · #9
Originally posted by David Ey:

I'll celebrate the death of a drug promoter.


I won't...I'll love my enemies and pray for those who persecute me. I'll be marked by compassion and grace. I'll love my neighbours. If somebody steals my coat, I'll offer him my sweater. I'll always promote peace. I'll gently rebuke violence.

At least I'll try to do these things.

Jesus would go out for a beer with a "drug promoter", not celebrate his death.
12/13/2004 09:18:37 AM · #10
Hello all. I have not checked the posts since Thrusday and needless to say I am shocked to see the way this thread turned. I started this thread to express my sadness about the needless death of a great guitar player and even greater person that I look up to with great respect and also to see if there were any other dpc'ers that had the same feelings as I do.

Yes Darrell did drugs but that does not change the fact that he was a great guitar player and person. I do not codone the use of drugs but do not judge those who do either. It is every persons choice and it was one that he made on his own. It DOES NOT mean that he was evil and should be killed!!! There was not one reason for him to be senclessly killed and that goes for not only Darrel but all people. The cop that killed the gunman had no other choice, if he didn't do what he did more would have been killed.

I am sorry for starting this thread, like I said I was just looking for support and to support others who are saddened by our loss.

R.I.P Darrell
12/12/2004 01:04:17 AM · #11
It's pretty sad when you can promote and justify the deaths and murders of any human being without being edited. Yet, my opinion is. Sad.

It's also a sad day when people can't mourn their losses without senseless and unrequested comments denouncing the seriousness of a crime commited against another person.

I wonder what Abbott's family would think about that comment.

As for personal attacks, what about the personal attack against Abbott? I never saw Abbott doing a pro-drug PSA. What makes that different?

Joe


12/12/2004 12:27:50 AM · #12
Originally posted by jimmythefish:

well, mine wasn't a personal attack. i was just pointing out that if he lived by his own credo there would be grounds for his own death.

Originally posted by mk:

I've just gone through and removed a number of personal attacks. Heated conversation is fine, personal attacks are not. Kindly refrain before this thread needs to be locked. Thanks.


You're right, I'm sorry. I didn't understand that in the context of your post but now that you point it out, I see what you meant. If you'd like to re-add it (perhaps slightly reworded for better understanding) go ahead. I aplogize for..um..jumping the gun. ;)
12/12/2004 12:22:29 AM · #13
well, mine wasn't a personal attack. i was just pointing out that if he lived by his own credo there would be grounds for his own death.

Originally posted by mk:

I've just gone through and removed a number of personal attacks. Heated conversation is fine, personal attacks are not. Kindly refrain before this thread needs to be locked. Thanks.

12/12/2004 12:13:10 AM · #14
I agree wth MK, play the ball not the man. Also, respect the fact that my opinion may differ from yours and in heated arguments neither of us will learn anything BUT how well to defend my own point of view.


12/12/2004 12:03:21 AM · #15
I've just gone through and removed a number of personal attacks. Heated conversation is fine, personal attacks are not. Kindly refrain before this thread needs to be locked. Thanks.
12/11/2004 10:00:28 PM · #16
Originally posted by David Ey:

I'll celebrate the death of a drug promoter.


I guess that means you would have a God-damn orgy if somebody mass-murdered, say, the entire marketing division of the Anheiser-Busch company. Or perhaps Bayer. Or maybe anyone who promotes Starbucks.
12/11/2004 06:20:34 PM · #17
Originally posted by deapee:


On another note, why did this guy shoot him, does anyone really know? It seems strange that an ex-Marine would decide to just snap at a concert and kill a few people.


Charles Whitman

Lee Harvey Oswald
12/11/2004 06:18:53 PM · #18
Originally posted by David Ey:

There are many examples in the Bible in which God shows us it is right to destroy evil, including the killing of other humans.


If that is what your god says, then I want no part of that.

The God I believe in is a God of compassion who loves all his flock, even the black sheep. Judging others is His job, not ours.
12/11/2004 06:12:38 PM · #19
Originally posted by deapee:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

The fact that you would choose to celebrate the violent death of other human beings is atrocious.


I've read and heard a lot of people celebrating the death of another human being. I've seen the cop that shot the ex-Marine called a hero, a savior, and just about everything else.



Just because some people would choose to celebrate such a thing does not make it any less terrible.

Sorry, no matter the situation, the taking of human life is nothing to celebrate. I bet the cop that shot that guy is not celebrating. He is a hero, saviour, whatever you want because he prevented the shooting of more people, but I bet he would rather have had a non-lethal option that achieved the same result.

Message edited by author 2004-12-11 18:14:44.
12/11/2004 05:52:24 PM · #20
Originally posted by David Ey:

There are many examples in the Bible in which God shows us it is right to destroy evil, including the killing of other humans.


Well if you want to get REALLY technical about it, there's a significant difference: in the Old Testament when God authorised the army of Israel and/or His kings/prophets to kill in battle and for punishment, it was because God was DIRECTLY leading them and the nation of Israel.

In the Christian era that's no longer true. God no longer has one SINGLE nation that he supports, so he doesn't authorise any human to kill on his behalf. Jesus's teachings and actions make that clear.

If you read your New Testament properly, you'll see that all over. "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord" (Romans 12:17-21), for example... so IF someone has lived a bad life in some way, God can and will deal with that - we're not authorised to assume we can take a life on God's behalf.

As for the murder itself - I'm not a metalhead, never heard of Damageplan before and only vaguely knew of Pantera but some lunatic getting on stage and blowing people away like that is always shocking and tragic. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to have had some kind of mental disorder. There seems to be a lot of borderline psychos walking around these days, and who knows what imagined "offence" or grudge can tip them over the edge.

My condolences to family and fans - most of us have experienced at least one famous person we like dying unexpectedly and when it's a violent death it's especially shocking.

Message edited by author 2004-12-11 17:54:13.
12/11/2004 05:46:56 PM · #21
Originally posted by David Ey:

There are many examples in the Bible in which God shows us it is right to destroy evil, including the killing of other humans.


Just another bible thumper thinking the word of God gives you some right to judge another human being.. What about the part where it tells you not to do the work of God, under penalty of death.. I guess you skipped that part.
Joe

Message edited by mk - personal attack removed.
12/11/2004 03:54:10 PM · #22
Originally posted by David Ey:

There are many examples in the Bible in which God shows us it is right to destroy evil, including the killing of other humans.


Yeah, I am sure God says murder people that have long hair, and make Rock and Roll albums. Maybe we should kill all the people who listen too it also. Just to be safe.

Maybe to be really safe we should murder anyone who drinks alcohol or smokes cigs......ya know to really cleanse the human race of such atrocities.

Jeeeez, I thought God was about compasion.......but I guess I was all wrong.
12/11/2004 03:21:43 PM · #23
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

The fact that you would choose to celebrate the violent death of other human beings is atrocious.


I've read and heard a lot of people celebrating the death of another human being. I've seen the cop that shot the ex-Marine called a hero, a savior, and just about everything else.

On another note, why did this guy shoot him, does anyone really know? It seems strange that an ex-Marine would decide to just snap at a concert and kill a few people.

--

It's sad every day that things like this happen and it probably happens all too often. So many people are murdered and they never have their name mentioned by anyone but their families...I, personally, will take a moment of silence for all those who have been murdered, not just this one individual.
12/11/2004 03:20:11 PM · #24
There are many examples in the Bible in which God shows us it is right to destroy evil, including the killing of other humans.
12/11/2004 02:53:56 PM · #25
Originally posted by David Ey:

I'll celebrate the death of a drug promoter


Originally posted by David Ey:

I believe in One God.


Originally posted by David Ey:

Would you be so kind as to point out my error?


The fact that you would choose to celebrate the violent death of other human beings is atrocious. To do so and in the next breath claim to be a Godly person is even more awful.

Message edited by author 2004-12-11 15:04:19.
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