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11/17/2021 08:53:36 PM · #1

Oiii. Guess since I started this I should be the one to wrap it up. I don't see this going anywhere good.

Sorry - I WAS very happy to have been able to get the booster shot.

Stay safe (and healthy) everyone.

oldbimmercoupe

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11/17/2021 08:36:32 PM · #2

Originally posted by Lydia:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Lydia:
People tend to listen to and read information on a subject if they already agree with them... not to learn anything new. I'm guilty of it, just as others are.

It's called confirmation bias.
Even worse though is when some people are presented with indisputable facts which run contrary to their beliefs, they double down further on their erroneous position.

And there you've explained why you won't be swayed by my beliefs/truths and I will not be swayed by yours.

So, this conversation is fruitless.

Carry on without me, if you like. :D

Let�s make it real Lydia. Not for the first time you trolled DPC for your agenda. Hopefully you will be spoken to again by the powers that be. This time trolling for the anti-vaxxers in the most obvious and clumsy manner. Personally I am so damn sick of this topic pushed by the far right flat earthers. I�m sure that I�m not alone in this regard . So perhaps your last sentence is a good idea. In fact I will join you. I�m out.

11/17/2021 08:16:12 PM · #3

Originally posted by Lydia:

And there you've explained why you won't be swayed by my beliefs/truths and I will not be swayed by yours.

So, this conversation is fruitless.

My beliefs are backed by science, yours unfortunately are not.

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11/17/2021 08:00:09 PM · #4

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

Originally posted by Lydia:
https://rumble.com/vkwthx-dr.-dan-stock-testifies-at-mt.-vernon-school-board-meeting.html?fbclid=IwAR1NU-L5JKxkDBgkjHV9vZST4N-tnjM9fdnh3Y5ZtIh536FSeopzwqJPXKU

The first one is by a knowledgable immunologist that disputes the use of facemasks and discredits the CDC and FDA. The second one advocates the information by the CDC that the virus can be carried by vaccinated individuals but seems to lose its effectiveness more quickly than unvaccinated individuals. The third one states that breakthrough infections can spread quickly but are rare.

The first one takes two seconds to find out he's full of shit.

EDIT:
From the second link:
Vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease, breakthrough infections and disease among vaccinated individuals remain uncommon, and most of the new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. are among unvaccinated people.....The vaccines are designed to stop serious disease, hospitalization, and death and they are doing that to an extremely high degree�even against the delta variant.

Third link:
Masks and vaccination needed to prevent viral transmission.....In the meantime, basic hygiene, including masking, social distancing, regular testing and vaccines will continue playing a vital role in slowing transmission and preventing serious illness and death.

I don't think the articles could have been more explicit.

Message edited by author 2021-11-17 20:12:54.

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11/17/2021 07:38:39 PM · #5

Originally posted by Lydia:

...AND they don't know they have COVID since they usually have little to no symptoms and go about their business as usual...

(my emphasis) So why doesn't everyone get vaccinated? If vaccinated have no symptoms and don't get sick with covid, the worldwide problem is solved! No deaths, no hospitalizations!

Or is this too obvious? What am I missing?

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11/17/2021 07:21:51 PM · #6

Originally posted by Lydia:

People tend to listen to and read information on a subject if they already agree with them... not to learn anything new. I'm guilty of it, just as others are.

I don't have the link on where I watched a doctor presenting the fact that vaccinated people shed the virus over 200% more than unvaccinated (FaceBook took my post down), so let's assume that vaccinated and unvaccinated shed the virus at the same rate.

Both do shed the virus if they have it. Vaccinated people can still get the virus.

It is true that vaccinated people are less likely to realize that they have the virus (lesser symptoms, but sheds just as much) and therefore continue to go about their lives... spreading the virus to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

https://rumble.com/vkwthx-dr.-dan-stock-testifies-at-mt.-vernon-school-board-meeting.html?fbclid=IwAR1NU-L5JKxkDBgkjHV9vZST4N-tnjM9fdnh3Y5ZtIh536FSeopzwqJPXKU

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/evidence-mounts-that-people-with-breakthrough-infections-can-spread-delta-easily

I can find more, if necessary.

Hi Lydia,
I watched and read your 3 references. The first one is by a knowledgable immunologist that disputes the use of facemasks and discredits the CDC and FDA. The second one advocates the information by the CDC that the virus can be carried by vaccinated individuals but seems to lose its effectiveness more quickly than unvaccinated individuals. The third one states that breakthrough infections can spread quickly but are rare.
What I take away from these is that there is a lot of controversial and conflicting evidence out there and to understand the complexity and actuality of the information by reading or listening to opinions even those based on sound scientific evidence is nearly impossible. That being said I always keep an open mind to all information I read or hear as there is probably not going to be 100% agreement on anything and there is always going to be counter arguments.

Lydia

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11/17/2021 05:54:18 PM · #7

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Lydia:
People tend to listen to and read information on a subject if they already agree with them... not to learn anything new. I'm guilty of it, just as others are.

It's called confirmation bias.
Even worse though is when some people are presented with indisputable facts which run contrary to their beliefs, they double down further on their erroneous position.

And there you've explained why you won't be swayed by my beliefs/truths and I will not be swayed by yours.

So, this conversation is fruitless.

Carry on without me, if you like. :D

11/17/2021 05:23:06 PM · #8

Originally posted by Lydia:

People tend to listen to and read information on a subject if they already agree with them... not to learn anything new. I'm guilty of it, just as others are.

It's called confirmation bias.
Even worse though is when some people are presented with indisputable facts which run contrary to their beliefs, they double down further on their erroneous position.

11/17/2021 05:13:17 PM · #9

Originally posted by GeneralE:

People need to understand that "science" is a process and not a set of facts. As new information -- and maybe more importantly new ways of acquiring and analyzing information -- becomes available things will and should change.

Science is not the truth.
Science is finding the truth.
When science changes its opinion, it didn't like to you.
It learned more.

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11/17/2021 04:41:17 PM · #10

Did I mention I got a booster shot yesterday?

GeneralE

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11/17/2021 04:31:53 PM · #11

Lydia

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11/17/2021 04:28:13 PM · #12

kirbic

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11/17/2021 04:22:54 PM · #13

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Ok. I think I know where I "may" have heard about the viral load, etc. FWIW ... a couple of links (accurate? perhaps. no guarantees from me).

USA Today 'Fact Check'

CDC: Myths and Facts

That�s exactly my point. So much of the �facts� we hear by the media are hearsay or partial truths based upon incomplete facts.

Well, I wouldn't exactly put CDC in that category... even though their reputation has been bruised up a bit, they are not going to publish anything that's not backed by available scientific knowledge. Of course, the state of knowledge can and will change, but still.

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11/17/2021 04:09:56 PM · #14

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Ok. I think I know where I "may" have heard about the viral load, etc. FWIW ... a couple of links (accurate? perhaps. no guarantees from me).

USA Today 'Fact Check'

CDC: Myths and Facts

That�s exactly my point. So much of the �facts� we hear by the media are hearsay or partial truths based upon incomplete facts.

markwiley

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11/17/2021 04:04:57 PM · #15

This is obviously a highly charged topic. If we are going to discuss it here, we all need to be civil. If you do post what you consider to be information on this topic, you should be ready to back it up with a credible source.

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11/17/2021 03:40:23 PM · #16

Originally posted by Lydia:

Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:

A real trove of politicized misinformation. You just can�t keep your ignorance at bay. Why divide DPC with your sad culture war. Really time to turn off Fox and the idiots on the AM dial. I�d rather read your breathless nonsense about last minute entries.

You really are one of the rudest people I've ever encountered.

They're not wrong. Either substantiate your claims or keep them to yourself.
This is how the spread of misinformation happens and why were in this longer than necessary.

Lydia

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11/17/2021 02:53:52 PM · #17

Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:

A real trove of politicized misinformation. You just can�t keep your ignorance at bay. Why divide DPC with your sad culture war. Really time to turn off Fox and the idiots on the AM dial. I�d rather read your breathless nonsense about last minute entries.

You really are one of the rudest people I've ever encountered.

11/17/2021 12:11:19 PM · #18

Ok. I think I know where I "may" have heard about the viral load, etc. FWIW ... a couple of links (accurate? perhaps. no guarantees from me).

USA Today 'Fact Check'

CDC: Myths and Facts

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11/17/2021 11:55:52 AM · #19

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by GolferDDS:
... Barry, what does this have to do with Fox? ...

I was responding to Jim's ( oldbimmercoupe) comment from a previous post.

My apologies. I redirect my comment to Jim.

GeneralE

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11/17/2021 11:48:45 AM · #20

Originally posted by Lydia:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by GolferDDS:
Got mine a few weeks ago. Feel fine but it�s hard getting used to that 3rd eye I�ve grown in the middle of my forehead.

That's the one you use to spot the unvaccinated so you can cross the street ... :-(

Actually, as I understand it, when a vaccinated person gets COVID-19, they shed the virus over 200% more than an unvaccinated person does. AND they don't know they have COVID since they usually have little to no symptoms and go about their business as usual. The vaccinated are "Super Spreaders" of the virus, not the unvaxxed.

It's the vaccinated who are the dangerous ones, apparently. Cross the street if you see them coming. :D

1. You could be crossing the street to protect the other person, just like you wear a mask to protect those you might be exposing.

2. Since we were discussing something that doesn't actually exist I think my comment should be considered tongue-in-cheek and not as serious medical advice -- if you want that I did just renew my license so let me know.

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11/17/2021 11:48:33 AM · #21

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

... Barry, what does this have to do with Fox? ...

I was responding to Jim's (

oldbimmercoupe) comment from a previous post.

Yo_Spiff

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11/17/2021 11:25:56 AM · #22

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Interesting. Now I'm curious what I read that had me thinking the same thing.

I have read that it is possible for a vaccinated person to be spreading the virus, after it gets in them, just as an unvaxed person might spread it after initial exposure, before they show symptoms. But the virus isnt infecting and reproducing much in the vaccinated person. So it is possible, but they won't be super spreaders as Lydia claims.

As has already been mentioned, check with reliable medical sources for good info, not just some aquaintance in a forum. Neither Lydia nor myself.

I had my booster a week ago. Just spent a couple of days in San Francisco, where you have to show your vaccination card to eat indoors. Nice change to be someplace where they take this seriously.

11/17/2021 11:19:22 AM · #23

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Lydia:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by GolferDDS:
Got mine a few weeks ago. Feel fine but it�s hard getting used to that 3rd eye I�ve grown in the middle of my forehead.

That's the one you use to spot the unvaccinated so you can cross the street ... :-(

Actually, as I understand it, when a vaccinated person gets COVID-19, they shed the virus over 200% more than an unvaccinated person does. AND they don't know they have COVID since they usually have little to no symptoms and go about their business as usual. The vaccinated are "Super Spreaders" of the virus, not the unvaxxed.

It's the vaccinated who are the dangerous ones, apparently. Cross the street if you see them coming. :D

Actually, I was under the same impression, and FWIW I avoid Fox network and do not listen to AM talk radio.

Interesting. Now I'm curious what I read that had me thinking the same thing.

Lydia, could you please state your sources for that statement. There is a lot of misinformation about what you say and a lot can be wrongly deduced from incomplete statements and inaccurate analysis of ongoing scientific studies.

Barry, what does this have to do with Fox? I don�t necessarily advocate for them but there is misinformation and lies being propagated by all the networks and media news. I don�t wish this to turn into a political argument just to say that it depends on who you listen to and they aren�t necessarily telling the truth. It�s a sad commentary.