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05/19/2021 11:34:36 AM · #1 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I remember a loooooooooong time ago... |
Damn, woman, you can hold a seriously long grudge! :P |
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah =oP |
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05/19/2021 03:33:00 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Good to see things haven't changed much. |
LOL, the range of topics and emotions is amazing. I've been stuck on amused, but that's always been my thing.
Sidenote: I wonder if there is something similar to Godwin's Law for Charles Manson.
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I remember a loooooooooong time ago... |
Damn, woman, you can hold a seriously long grudge! :P |
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05/19/2021 01:58:07 AM · #3 |
There is really only one rule when it comes to wildlife photography and it is really pretty simple.
Do no harm, , Treat the wildlife like the most venomous rattle snakes. Shoot from a distance, respect them like the most precious china made in the Egyptian times and remember they will kill you if you if you get to close.
This goes the same for models as well. |
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05/17/2021 04:27:32 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Yup -- It's a discussion that needs to be had if you're a rabid wildlife photographer, like me. Ethics in wildlife is a big thing. |
Yes and no. Not all that sure it's dinner table conversation, but it *is* important in the right circumstances.
Originally posted by vawendy:
It also gives me an insight into photos that I do for my job. What will be perceived in a negative way? Don't use those on social, because people jump to conclusions -- use those in blogs, etc., where you can give some context |
Hence my objections to the way this thread was originated. With absolutely zero context, the image maker is called out as sadistic and exploitative.
Actually, the way this has been handled to date, someone could probably make a hobby out of a slander case.
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05/17/2021 04:08:20 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
IMNSHO this thread should never have started. It isn't relevant here, as we're generally not the type of community to get butthurt and impose our values onto others, especially about insignificant things.
The image and its context have *no* bearing on anything here on DPC. As the OP now knows, perspectives differ. Personaly, I find the foot picture much more offensive. OP stated that it's just a planter, but it was done intentionally to deceive the viewer into thinking that someone's foot got chopped or hacked off somehow. On no level is that anything but gruesome.
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Originally posted by glad2badad:
You're kidding, right?! I've seen plenty of strange things discussed here at DPChallenge ... at least this thread started with a discussion about a photograph.
I see no problem with the OP starting this thread whatsoever. IMO, it was started in good faith, and much of the follow-up info has been interesting. |
Umm... A refresher as to the exact wording. These are the words of someone who wants to impose their standards & will on others, it seems to me.
Originally posted by MeMex2:
It is exploitive and sadistic really and I hope that people will comment on it and insist that set ups like that can never be published nor
encouraged. |
Hey, everyone's entitled to, and will, decide how they feel about the appropriateness of things in their life. That's fine, but don't try to tell me I have to share your view or come into my space and toss it out there like a given. Especially, if you're gonna butcher it. The correct word in that case would have been: exploitative.
That's pretty harsh without even knowing the person to assign that kind of intent.....and that was my point about it being here at DPC. You wanna trash this person and assign your parameters? Fine! Then do it there where you have the beef with the person. All you're doing here with that thread is trying to find others to back up your stuff. THAT'S exploitative of us. We have less basis to be involved with this particular incident than if the image was posted here.
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05/17/2021 03:36:34 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
IMNSHO this thread should never have started. It isn't relevant here, as we're generally not the type of community to get butthurt and impose our values onto others, especially about insignificant things.
The image and its context have *no* bearing on anything here on DPC. As the OP now knows, perspectives differ. Personaly, I find the foot picture much more offensive. OP stated that it's just a planter, but it was done intentionally to deceive the viewer into thinking that someone's foot got chopped or hacked off somehow. On no level is that anything but gruesome.
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You're kidding, right?! I've seen plenty of strange things discussed here at DPChallenge ... at least this thread started with a discussion about a photograph.
I see no problem with the OP starting this thread whatsoever. IMO, it was started in good faith, and much of the follow-up info has been interesting. |
Yup -- It's a discussion that needs to be had if you're a rabid wildlife photographer, like me. Ethics in wildlife is a big thing. And there's a consequence to avoiding it. The elk that was videoed going nose to nose with the photographer was euthenized because he was too acclimated to people. If the photographer had backed up or stayed away, the animal would probably be alive now. Yet it wasn't him that acclimated the animal -- he just took advantage of it.
I'm dealing with the same thing, right now. I have an incredible wildlife opportunity that I've never had before. Am I hurting the animals by taking advantage of it? What things are the right things to do, what are the "wrong" things, if we're trying to care and protect?
It's an important discussion.
It also gives me an insight into photos that I do for my job. What will be perceived in a negative way? Don't use those on social, because people jump to conclusions -- use those in blogs, etc., where you can give some context. |
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05/17/2021 01:11:20 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
IMNSHO this thread should never have started. It isn't relevant here, as we're generally not the type of community to get butthurt and impose our values onto others, especially about insignificant things.
The image and its context have *no* bearing on anything here on DPC. As the OP now knows, perspectives differ. Personaly, I find the foot picture much more offensive. OP stated that it's just a planter, but it was done intentionally to deceive the viewer into thinking that someone's foot got chopped or hacked off somehow. On no level is that anything but gruesome.
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You're kidding, right?! I've seen plenty of strange things discussed here at DPChallenge ... at least this thread started with a discussion about a photograph.
I see no problem with the OP starting this thread whatsoever. IMO, it was started in good faith, and much of the follow-up info has been interesting. |
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05/17/2021 11:49:07 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by MeMex2:
I really regret starting this post. I probably overreacted to the snake/mouse set up shot.
My first thought was that it was real and that it was sensational and exploitive and cruel. I posted those
sentiments to 1x as did many other people and the photograph and the photographer were removed from the site.
As to the foot in the prison cell, I am not sure I see the connection. It was shot for a "macabre" or "strange" or some such challenge.
The foot is an Italian ceramic planter. The title is "accident in cell block H. I thought it was weird enough to meet the challenge although
I do not think I ever entered it. It is bizarre and inexplicable and very sinister but no animal was hurt in the process.
Let's put this thread to bed.
xxx |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
You opened a can of worms, it went from exploitive, sadistic, to serial killer, manipulative, deceitful and aggressive or unethicality unethical, morally wrong, to gross, to perverted,. Your words.
A very odd world we live in. |
I tried like Hell to stay out of this but it just bothered me too much.
IMNSHO this thread should never have started. It isn't relevant here, as we're generally not the type of community to get butthurt and impose our values onto others, especially about insignificant things.
The image and its context have *no* bearing on anything here on DPC. As the OP now knows, perspectives differ. Personaly, I find the foot picture much more offensive. OP stated that it's just a planter, but it was done intentionally to deceive the viewer into thinking that someone's foot got chopped or hacked off somehow. On no level is that anything but gruesome.
Yet that 'Shopped image is unethical??? If the mouse wasn't fed to the snake *that's* cruel! It's his dinner! It may be in poor taste to record it, but unethical?
It's become all too prevalent in these days of instantaneous clapback, wounded sensibilities over things that aren't even the woundee's (Is that a word????) business, and too much judgement being thrown down when one could just as easily scroll by.
Here's some perspective for ya........
I wish I'd never seen Kevin Carter's Pulitzer Prize winning image he shot in 1993. I'm sure he pretty much felt the same way.
I'm also convinced that the public outcry and judgement that went along with it contributed to the depression that he blamed for taking his own life shortly after.
But it's moments of utter raw brutality of life preserved as a photograph that often enable great change.
Here it is if you want to see the ugly side of what being a photographer can do to your life and the world around you.
Kevin Carter's Pulitzer Photo w/Article
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05/16/2021 03:31:12 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by GolferDDS:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
ETA: You cannot attempt to incite people to commit crimes ... |
My mother used to say “if someone told you to jump off the Empire State Building would you do it?” We are all responsible for our own actions. |
My first thought was: so it wasn't Hitler's or Stalin's fault? |
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05/16/2021 06:51:15 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
ETA: You cannot attempt to incite people to commit crimes ... |
My mother used to say “if someone told you to jump off the Empire State Building would you do it?” We are all responsible for our own actions. |
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05/16/2021 06:18:15 AM · #11 |
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05/15/2021 01:55:43 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
ETA: You cannot attempt to incite people to commit crimes ... |
See: State of California, vs Manson, Charles
Message edited by Bear_Music - typo. |
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05/14/2021 08:14:26 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by posthumous:
No animal was hurt in the 1x photo either. It was as fake as yours and I'm a bit stunned that some seasoned photographers on this thread can't see that. |
I was stunned that evidently not only the photo was removed, but the photographer was banned from 1x. Although such a knee-jerk reaction is rather typical these days |
Cancel Culture hard at work =\ |
Does the photo violate the site's TOS or was this a response to viewer reaction? |
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05/14/2021 08:11:10 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Lydia:
I still say that people in America have the right to say and do things that don't break the law... even if they offend someone else. |
You do, in public spaces or your own home, but not necessarily on other people's private property. |
What about public property? |
AFAIK you can set up your soapbox on any sidewalk and shout your heart out ...
ETA: You cannot attempt to incite people to commit crimes ...
Message edited by author 2021-05-14 20:12:50. |
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05/14/2021 08:08:14 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Lydia:
I still say that people in America have the right to say and do things that don't break the law... even if they offend someone else. |
You do, in public spaces or your own home, but not necessarily on other people's private property. |
What about public property?
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05/14/2021 07:38:17 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by posthumous:
No animal was hurt in the 1x photo either. It was as fake as yours and I'm a bit stunned that some seasoned photographers on this thread can't see that. |
I was stunned that evidently not only the photo was removed, but the photographer was banned from 1x. Although such a knee-jerk reaction is rather typical these days |
Cancel Culture hard at work =\ |
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05/14/2021 06:34:56 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
I still say that people in America have the right to say and do things that don't break the law... even if they offend someone else. |
You do, in public spaces or your own home, but not necessarily on other people's private property. |
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05/14/2021 06:28:19 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Lydia:
But, what happened to free speech? |
Nothing.
The First Amendment is frequently misunderstood -- it only prohibits the government from restricting speech -- it has no power over the the right of private entities from establishing whatever rules regarding language they wish ... if you re-read the DPC TOS you'll find we do it too, both in terms of language and images ... |
Yes. Unfortunately, I'm aware of that with DPC. Ha!
I still say that people in America have the right to say and do things that don't break the law... even if they offend someone else.
But... what do I know? :D
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05/14/2021 06:26:00 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
But, what happened to free speech? |
Nothing.
The First Amendment is frequently misunderstood -- it only prohibits the government from restricting speech -- it has no power over the the right of private entities from establishing whatever rules regarding language they wish ... if you re-read the DPC TOS you'll find we do it too, both in terms of language and images ...
Message edited by author 2021-05-14 18:26:27. |
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05/14/2021 05:59:54 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by posthumous:
No animal was hurt in the 1x photo either. It was as fake as yours and I'm a bit stunned that some seasoned photographers on this thread can't see that. |
I was stunned that evidently not only the photo was removed, but the photographer was banned from 1x. Although such a knee-jerk reaction is rather typical these days |
The insanity continues.
Someone's always going to be offended. But, what happened to free speech?
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05/14/2021 05:19:21 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by MeMex2:
I really regret starting this post. I probably overreacted to the snake/mouse set up shot.
My first thought was that it was real and that it was sensational and exploitive and cruel. I posted those
sentiments to 1x as did many other people and the photograph and the photographer were removed from the site.
As to the foot in the prison cell, I am not sure I see the connection. It was shot for a "macabre" or "strange" or some such challenge.
The foot is an Italian ceramic planter. The title is "accident in cell block H. I thought it was weird enough to meet the challenge although
I do not think I ever entered it. It is bizarre and inexplicable and very sinister but no animal was hurt in the process.
Let's put this thread to bed.
xxx |
Naw -- It's something that's worth discussing.
I'm thinking of offering wildlife photography tours to local spots through the place I work. We are definitely in to conservation, but that can mean so many things: from "never, ever look at wildlife at all leave them completely alone" to stay x feet away.
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05/14/2021 05:09:57 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by LevT:
I was stunned that evidently not only the photo was removed, but the photographer was banned from 1x. Although such a knee-jerk reaction is rather typical these days |
Such as censorship, manipulation, indoctrination....fear.
Memories Lev...
Message edited by Bear_Music - parsed quote. |
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05/14/2021 03:28:12 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by LevT:
I was stunned that evidently not only the photo was removed, but the photographer was banned from 1x. |
Really? That's insane considering some of the other shit on that site. |
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05/14/2021 02:58:06 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
No animal was hurt in the 1x photo either. It was as fake as yours and I'm a bit stunned that some seasoned photographers on this thread can't see that. |
I was stunned that evidently not only the photo was removed, but the photographer was banned from 1x. Although such a knee-jerk reaction is rather typical these days |
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05/14/2021 10:58:50 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by MeMex2:
I really regret starting this post. I probably overreacted to the snake/mouse set up shot.
My first thought was that it was real and that it was sensational and exploitive and cruel. I posted those
sentiments to 1x as did many other people and the photograph and the photographer were removed from the site.
As to the foot in the prison cell, I am not sure I see the connection. It was shot for a "macabre" or "strange" or some such challenge.
The foot is an Italian ceramic planter. The title is "accident in cell block H. I thought it was weird enough to meet the challenge although
I do not think I ever entered it. It is bizarre and inexplicable and very sinister but no animal was hurt in the process.
Let's put this thread to bed.
xxx |
No animal was hurt in the 1x photo either. It was as fake as yours and I'm a bit stunned that some seasoned photographers on this thread can't see that. |
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