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 09/11/2020 10:58:34 AM · #1
Originally posted by GolferDDS:
I believe that one of the most important aspects of photography as an art form is the individuals creativity in visualizing a subject or subject matter in a unique way. Who is to say that his/her vision is less right than yours.

Agreed.
But my friend who's director once said, "If the movie doesn't speak for itself, who cares what the director has to say."
The same sentiment could be carried over to any artistic endeavor. If the photograph doesn't resonate with the observer, it's not the observers job to find the meaning.

Originally posted by GolferDDS:
I suggest reading my starting remark in this thread. What I was alluding to was the possibility that the challenge title and the description could be interpreted at least 3 different ways and a submission should not be downgraded just because it was interpreted differently than you. Therefore, again I am not saying a duck is a horse but a horse can be a donkey or a zebra or a pony etc. all are valid.

Again I'll point to the above.
I would never put the onus on the observer, that's being selfish. If anything I'd thank them they even looked in the first place.
 09/11/2020 09:20:22 AM · #2
Originally posted by epescala:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by epescala:
I had such high hopes for my photo, but i just voted and WOW there are a lot of amazing entries!!! Kudos everyone!!

Votes: 24
Views: 43
Avg Vote: 6.7083
Comments: 0
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/10/20 08:25 pm

That's a GREAT score :-)


I'm for sure happy! If it stays this way it will be my highest rated! :D


Way to go!! I'm excited to see which one is yours!
 09/11/2020 01:19:52 AM · #3
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by epescala:
I had such high hopes for my photo, but i just voted and WOW there are a lot of amazing entries!!! Kudos everyone!!

Votes: 24
Views: 43
Avg Vote: 6.7083
Comments: 0
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/10/20 08:25 pm

That's a GREAT score :-)


I'm for sure happy! If it stays this way it will be my highest rated! :D
 09/10/2020 11:00:59 PM · #4
Originally posted by epescala:
I had such high hopes for my photo, but i just voted and WOW there are a lot of amazing entries!!! Kudos everyone!!

Votes: 24
Views: 43
Avg Vote: 6.7083
Comments: 0
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/10/20 08:25 pm

That's a GREAT score :-)
 09/10/2020 10:43:01 PM · #5
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by GolferDDS:
Bottom line is I feel that voters should vote on the quality of the image and not so much that it is a different definition of the challenge. Sometimes it appears that people get too stuck on DNMC. We should allow some flexibility in interpretation.

How well it fits the challenge is extremely important to me.
The quality of the image is often meaningless when I look photos. Does it incite any emotions or reactions? Now we're talking. There's obviously some leeway with regards to challenge topics, but those are the top two criteria for me.


I believe that one of the most important aspects of photography as an art form is the individuals creativity in visualizing a subject or subject matter in a unique way. Who is to say that his/her vision is less right than yours. I suggest reading my starting remark in this thread. What I was alluding to was the possibility that the challenge title and the description could be interpreted at least 3 different ways and a submission should not be downgraded just because it was interpreted differently than you. Therefore, again I am not saying a duck is a horse but a horse can be a donkey or a zebra or a pony etc. all are valid.
09/10/2020 08:44:26 PM · #6

How well it fits the challenge is extremely important to me.
The quality of the image is often meaningless when I look photos. Does it incite any emotions or reactions? Now we're talking. There's obviously some leeway with regards to challenge topics, but those are the top two criteria for me. [/quote]

I agree, I hate seeing amazing images in challenges where they dont meet the requirements. If the image is beautiful, well done and gives me the feelings, I wont give it a very low vote, but certainly not as high as if it fits the challenge.

09/10/2020 08:41:26 PM · #7
I had such high hopes for my photo, but i just voted and WOW there are a lot of amazing entries!!! Kudos everyone!!

Votes: 24
Views: 43
Avg Vote: 6.7083
Comments: 0
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/10/20 08:25 pm

You have rated 48 of 49 images (98%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.4792.
 09/10/2020 04:43:57 PM · #8
Originally posted by vawendy:
I'm a bit curious if that why I received a 1 in the compression challenge. It looks like the bird is right next to her, since the people farther back are soft. But the photographer was using a 200-600mm lens. If it was all that close to her, she wouldn't have been able to begin to photograph the bird.

Actually, I see that WAY differently: both the bird and the photographer are tack sharp, which means the bird WAS very close to her, and whatever she's shooting was something else. I assumed you were tracking the bird in burst mode and she just appeared in your shot as you panned. That's not to say it isn't a good example of lens compression (it IS) but head/bird isn't where the compression is :-)
 09/10/2020 04:16:24 PM · #9
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by GolferDDS:
Bottom line is I feel that voters should vote on the quality of the image and not so much that it is a different definition of the challenge. Sometimes it appears that people get too stuck on DNMC. We should allow some flexibility in interpretation.

How well it fits the challenge is extremely important to me.
The quality of the image is often meaningless when I look photos. Does it incite any emotions or reactions? Now we're talking. There's obviously some leeway with regards to challenge topics, but those are the top two criteria for me.


I definitely understand wanting people to fit the challenge -- but I sometimes think people take it way too seriously.

I'm a bit curious if that why I received a 1 in the compression challenge. It looks like the bird is right next to her, since the people farther back are soft. But the photographer was using a 200-600mm lens. If it was all that close to her, she wouldn't have been able to begin to photograph the bird.

That's why if something doesn't fit the challenge, I never vote that low. There could be something that I'm just missing. I will take off a bit, but never down to 1-3s. Even if it's a purple shot in a orange challenge. Too many people have TRIED for the lowest points, and I won't give in to that either. :)
 09/10/2020 01:32:32 PM · #10
Originally posted by GolferDDS:
Bottom line is I feel that voters should vote on the quality of the image and not so much that it is a different definition of the challenge. Sometimes it appears that people get too stuck on DNMC. We should allow some flexibility in interpretation.

How well it fits the challenge is extremely important to me.
The quality of the image is often meaningless when I look photos. Does it incite any emotions or reactions? Now we're talking. There's obviously some leeway with regards to challenge topics, but those are the top two criteria for me.
 09/10/2020 12:04:55 PM · #11
Originally posted by marnet:
Originally posted by GolferDDS:
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I have a different interpretation of “at least by me”. I take it to mean it MAY at least only be beloved by you but MAY also be beloved by many!
This reinforces my initial statement for starting this thread. Oftentimes there are different interpretations of the same challenge. Bottom line is I feel that voters should vote on the quality of the image and not so much that it is a different definition of the challenge. Sometimes it appears that people get too stuck on DNMC. We should allow some flexibility in interpretation.

But your interpretation makes it just a Free Study

PS Edited to remove the confusion with quotes :)


I’m not saying that if the challenge is “Ducks” and you put in a picture of a horse it shouldn’t make a difference. But if the challenge is “Horse” and you put in a picture of a donkey then there should be an understanding that donkeys are part of the horse family and the picture should not be downgraded because of the interpretation of a horse! Pretty crazy analogy but I think it gets the point across?:)
 09/10/2020 11:45:26 AM · #12
Originally posted by GolferDDS:
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I have a different interpretation of “at least by me”. I take it to mean it MAY at least only be beloved by you but MAY also be beloved by many!
This reinforces my initial statement for starting this thread. Oftentimes there are different interpretations of the same challenge. Bottom line is I feel that voters should vote on the quality of the image and not so much that it is a different definition of the challenge. Sometimes it appears that people get too stuck on DNMC. We should allow some flexibility in interpretation.

But your interpretation makes it just a Free Study

PS Edited to remove the confusion with quotes :)

Message edited by author 2020-09-10 11:47:31.
 09/10/2020 11:27:00 AM · #13
‘With no description on the challenge, one has to assume whatever the photo is about is what is beloved, in my opinion. [/quote]
Don't forget "at least by me" so my interpretation was "not beloved by many".”

PS I know this a wrong thread, not sure how it got kidnapped but I don't want to start a new one. [/quote]

I have a different interpretation of “at least by me”. I take it to mean it MAY at least only be beloved by you but MAY also be beloved by many!
This reinforces my initial statement for starting this thread. Oftentimes there are different interpretations of the same challenge. Bottom line is I feel that voters should vote on the quality of the image and not so much that it is a different definition of the challenge. Sometimes it appears that people get too stuck on DNMC. We should allow some flexibility in interpretation.

Message edited by author 2020-09-10 11:43:34.
 09/10/2020 01:04:33 AM · #14
Originally posted by Lydia:
Originally posted by primabarbara:


Oh, I wasn't aware that this challenge is supposed to be about beloved photos. I thought it is about beloved items/people/doggies or whatever...


+1

With no description on the challenge, one has to assume whatever the photo is about is what is beloved, in my opinion.

Don't forget "at least by me" so my interpretation was "not beloved by many".

PS I know this a wrong thread, not sure how it got kidnapped but I don't want to start a new one.
 09/09/2020 11:21:58 PM · #15
Originally posted by primabarbara:
[quote=vawendy]
Oh, I wasn't aware that this challenge is supposed to be about beloved photos. I thought it is about beloved items/people/doggies or whatever... and looking at the entries it seems I'm not the only one with that conception.


Beloved, yes ... but this thread is about colors and shapes.

Either way, please remember to vote!
09/09/2020 05:57:11 PM · #16
Originally posted by primabarbara:


Oh, I wasn't aware that this challenge is supposed to be about beloved photos. I thought it is about beloved items/people/doggies or whatever...


+1

With no description on the challenge, one has to assume whatever the photo is about is what is beloved, in my opinion.

09/09/2020 09:18:48 AM · #17
Wow! Just took a peak and there are a lot of excellent entries! Enjoy, have a look, and don't forget to vote!
 09/09/2020 07:30:09 AM · #18

Quite surprised my entry is doing so well...I did not expect that at all...hope it lasts

Colors and Shapes (ARCHIVAL)
Votes: 9
Views: 14
Avg Vote: 7.0000
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0

Hmmmm update... looks like the bull run is over and the bears have arrived

Updated: 09/09/20 07:28 am.
Votes: 12
Views: 19
Avg Vote: 6.6667
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/09/20 10:31 am

Sinking like a leaking bucket
Votes: 18
Views: 29
Avg Vote: 6.2778
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/09/20 06:20 pm

[ Update ]


Message edited by author 2020-09-09 18:23:22.
 09/08/2020 10:29:43 AM · #19
Originally posted by vawendy:


Actually, there's a photo that I'm completely in love with. But I don't want it to get the 2 second vote treatment.

I thought another challenge "beloved, at least by me, Take a moment to see what I see" would be fun.

A challenge where the whole idea is to enter a photo that you didn't want to be just another photo to whiz by. One that you want people to actually take some time and look at.

....


Oh, I wasn't aware that this challenge is supposed to be about beloved photos. I thought it is about beloved items/people/doggies or whatever... and looking at the entries it seems I'm not the only one with that conception.

And about beloved pictures:
Yes, there are a few but they wouldn't qualify for an entry anyhow. What makes these photos so special for me is a certain memory, which a viewer doesn't share.
09/07/2020 10:31:51 PM · #20
Originally posted by glad2badad:
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I've held back on images in the past because they opened the window into my personal space (i.e. family mostly, sometimes family friends) that I didn't want to share.


This is me. And every time I've decided, "Well, this transcends the 'snapshot' genre" and entered a photo for which I'm vulnerable in terms of the subject, I've regretted that decision.
 09/07/2020 10:10:52 PM · #21
Originally posted by vawendy:
Which one did you care too much about to let people tear apart?

Rarely do comments reach that level on images / entries anymore - are you referencing the score when you say "let people tear apart"?

I've held back on images in the past because they opened the window into my personal space (i.e. family mostly, sometimes family friends) that I didn't want to share.
 09/07/2020 09:55:51 PM · #22
Originally posted by mariuca:
Originally posted by GolferDDS:


That's good advice Margaret. I'll just go with what I like. Thank you.


Shouldn't we always do just this?


Actually, there's a photo that I'm completely in love with. But I don't want it to get the 2 second vote treatment.

I thought another challenge "beloved, at least by me, Take a moment to see what I see" would be fun.

A challenge where the whole idea is to enter a photo that you didn't want to be just another photo to whiz by. One that you want people to actually take some time and look at.

I know that's what we're supposed to be doing with every challenge. But it's so easy not to. To only give that extra study time to the ones that have the initial appeal -- the ones we WANT to know better. It's easy to give just a peripheral glance to the average photos.

I've grown quite a bit since being here. The photos that make me think "yuck" when I see them -- I look at longer. Just why did this person take this photo. What am I missing? However, the average ones still flash by me. I'd be curious to see what archival image holds your heart? Which one did you care too much about to let people tear apart? I definitely have one that comes to my mind. Are you harboring any?
 09/07/2020 08:19:06 PM · #23
Originally posted by mariuca:
Originally posted by GolferDDS:


That's good advice Margaret. I'll just go with what I like. Thank you.


Shouldn't we always do just this?


Not necessarily!
 09/07/2020 03:58:27 PM · #24
Originally posted by GolferDDS:


That's good advice Margaret. I'll just go with what I like. Thank you.


Shouldn't we always do just this?
 09/07/2020 12:45:02 PM · #25
Originally posted by marnet:
Larry, I guess you were just looking for an opinion? :) And look what happened!

I don't know myself the answer to your question, I just entered the image that has colors and shapes, and is the one I liked the most. I know it might finish at the bottom of the heap so probably do not take my advice! :)

Good luck in the challenge whatever you decide to enter.


That's good advice Margaret. I'll just go with what I like. Thank you.
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