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 04/30/2020 09:25:12 PM · #1
The title for my entry in Black & White Abstract won 2nd place.

04/30/2020 06:59:40 PM · #2
Originally posted by vawendy:
The world may be coming to an end.

04/30/2020 04:28:19 PM · #3
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by marnet:
I think it is about time to remove descriptions from Abstract challenges. I don't agree that a geometric abstraction of a recognizable object is not abstract just because the voter recognized what object it is a part of.

Please remove this very confusing statement:
"If it is recognizable as an object - it is not an abstract"


+infinity!
let's see, vawendy, marnet and posthumous all agree on something. That is powerful, lol


I don't know. I don't think it's such a big deal. Don's obviously rubbing off on me. Since the beginning of the year, I've had two brown ribbons, and a photo where he was my highest score.

The world may be coming to an end.
 04/30/2020 03:59:20 PM · #4
I can go along with that. It's an old challenge description and we have never changed it. I'll make sure it doesn't get used again.
 04/30/2020 02:50:56 PM · #5
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by marnet:
I think it is about time to remove descriptions from Abstract challenges. I don't agree that a geometric abstraction of a recognizable object is not abstract just because the voter recognized what object it is a part of.

Please remove this very confusing statement:
"If it is recognizable as an object - it is not an abstract"


+infinity!
let's see, vawendy, marnet and posthumous all agree on something. That is powerful, lol

04/30/2020 02:41:53 PM · #6
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by marnet:
I think it is about time to remove descriptions from Abstract challenges. I don't agree that a geometric abstraction of a recognizable object is not abstract just because the voter recognized what object it is a part of.

Please remove this very confusing statement:
"If it is recognizable as an object - it is not an abstract"


+infinity!
let's see, vawendy, marnet and posthumous all agree on something. That is powerful, lol
 04/30/2020 01:28:41 PM · #7
Originally posted by Lydia:


...

But, let's go with my "Simile" entry.



Surely no one could object to the title, since it was a simile. Yet, I got six votes of four or under.

I just think people vote the way they vote and if they do it consistently, it will all work out across the board.


Maybe animal right activist objecting to the use of animals for human enjoyment? :-)

Your last line is spot on.
 04/29/2020 04:50:22 PM · #8
Originally posted by MeMex2:
Lydia
You are referencing 2012. Things were very different then. I have found during the last few years, although the numbers of
entrees and participants were way down, so too were the number of voters who used 1,2's and 3's.

With archival challenges, Covid 19 and more participants we have gone back to the full voting block. I have not gotten 1,'s2's or 3's
in several years. I am not trying to rehash the whole low voting ad nauseam. I am using my image that received both 10's and 1's
as an example of a change that has taken place here with new/old participation. That and I get that some people do not like titles on
abstracts.

That's all.


I just took my 30 most recent blues. So they're all in there, but... I do see what you're saying. I just don't think they ever stopped voting those low numbers.

At least not on my images.

I don't think titles should ever be required. They should be optional, always. Artist's choice.

:D

04/29/2020 04:28:04 PM · #9
Lydia
You are referencing 2012. Things were very different then. I have found during the last few years, although the numbers of
entrees and participants were way down, so too were the number of voters who used 1,2's and 3's.

With archival challenges, Covid 19 and more participants we have gone back to the full voting block. I have not gotten 1,'s2's or 3's
in several years. I am not trying to rehash the whole low voting ad nauseam. I am using my image that received both 10's and 1's
as an example of a change that has taken place here with new/old participation. That and I get that some people do not like titles on
abstracts.

That's all.
 04/29/2020 03:49:22 PM · #10
Originally posted by MeMex2:
No Wileum. I took it on the street in Cefalu ..at night in the rain. It reminds me of Philadelphia
and that is why I titled it. It is a street scene, in the rain with blown out saturation.
I get that you do not like titles. I am commenting on people who over emphasizing their displeasure
by voting 1's and 2's. It has not happened here for a few years.


I don't think they're emphasizing their displeasure over the title.

Some folks use the entire scale of 1-10.

I don't.

I basically use 6-10 for all the normal stuff and if it's really bad for some reason (in my opinion), I'll go lower. But, I don't remember the last 1, 2, or 3 I ever gave.

You got me curious, though, so... I checked the first 30 Blues on my list. Only two did not have a four vote or less. MOST had more than one.

But, let's go with my "Simile" entry.



Surely no one could object to the title, since it was a simile. Yet, I got six votes of four or under.

I just think people vote the way they vote and if they do it consistently, it will all work out across the board.

04/29/2020 02:17:42 PM · #11
Originally posted by MeMex2:
No Wileum. I took it on the street in Cefalu ..at night in the rain. It reminds me of Philadelphia
and that is why I titled it. It is a street scene, in the rain with blown out saturation.
I get that you do not like titles. I am commenting on people who over emphasizing their displeasure
by voting 1's and 2's. It has not happened here for a few years.


Thanks for clarifying.

Just to clarify: as said before, for me, the title can influence my scoring. But a score of 3 or lower I reserve for images that are of poor technical quality and show an unimaginative approach and have a lack of appeal of the image and do not meet challenge theme (i.e. a combination of negative factors). Yours was above that certainly.
 04/29/2020 09:11:21 AM · #12
Originally posted by marnet:
I think it is about time to remove descriptions from Abstract challenges. I don't agree that a geometric abstraction of a recognizable object is not abstract just because the voter recognized what object it is a part of.

Please remove this very confusing statement:
"If it is recognizable as an object - it is not an abstract"


+infinity!
 04/29/2020 08:56:15 AM · #13
I think it is about time to remove descriptions from Abstract challenges. I don't agree that a geometric abstraction of a recognizable object is not abstract just because the voter recognized what object it is a part of.

Please remove this very confusing statement:
"If it is recognizable as an object - it is not an abstract"
 04/29/2020 08:10:49 AM · #14
Originally posted by MeMex2:
No Wileum. I took it on the street in Cefalu ..at night in the rain. It reminds me of Philadelphia
and that is why I titled it. It is a street scene, in the rain with blown out saturation.
I get that you do not like titles. I am commenting on people who over emphasizing their displeasure
by voting 1's and 2's. It has not happened here for a few years.


I dont think it was because of the title: I think it was because of the definition. Abstracts are about lines, shapes and colors. If it is recognizable as an object - it is not an abstract.

I highly disagree with the definition. There are definite abstracts that are recognizable and still abstract.

And yours wasn't one of the titles that bothered me at all. I gave it a 7.
 04/29/2020 08:05:14 AM · #15
No Wileum. I took it on the street in Cefalu ..at night in the rain. It reminds me of Philadelphia
and that is why I titled it. It is a street scene, in the rain with blown out saturation.
I get that you do not like titles. I am commenting on people who over emphasizing their displeasure
by voting 1's and 2's. It has not happened here for a few years.
 04/29/2020 07:56:55 AM · #16
Honestly, I was not trying to mislead voters. It just reminds me of Philadelphia and I get that titles ruin it for some people.
The surprise for me is that people who vote 1,2,and 3's are back. It has been a long time.
I hope Robert is taking note. I had hoped we moved past that practice. It always feels so irrational and angry to me.
 04/29/2020 07:56:30 AM · #17
Originally posted by MeMex2:
Wow! Check out these scores and comments! I have not seen 1's and 2's and 3's to make a point in years.
Were I to do it again I would entitle it "Nitpickers". The funny thing is that I took it at an art festival in Cefalu, Sicily.
Thanks for the nice comments and 10's



Are you saying you took a picture of someone else’s work of art?
 04/29/2020 03:50:50 AM · #18
Originally posted by MeMex2:
Wow! Check out these scores and comments! I have not seen 1's and 2's and 3's to make a point in years.
Were I to do it again I would entitle it "Nitpickers". The funny thing is that I took it at an art festival in Cefalu, Sicily.
Thanks for the nice comments and 10's



That is indeed a remarkable discrepancy. I can't understand the low scores but I know and accept that there are different voting systems and we've had more than enough discussion about that.
I liked your entry, intriguing colours and fairly abstract!

Considering your title:
In retrospect, you tried to mislead voters, but that was not recognized. Many thought it was Philadelphia and may therefore feel a little patronized. Maybe...

I really have no clue what was expected, because my entry was a quite fitting abstract imho - not recognizable, a title which didn't "describe" and yet it ended up in the slightly above mediocre range. Probably not exciting enough? Or was it the title? I don't want to complain either (thanks for the lovely comments btw), I just try to figure out, what happened

04/29/2020 02:53:54 AM · #19
Wow! Check out these scores and comments! I have not seen 1's and 2's and 3's to make a point in years.
Were I to do it again I would entitle it "Nitpickers". The funny thing is that I took it at an art festival in Cefalu, Sicily.
Thanks for the nice comments and 10's

04/28/2020 10:25:50 PM · #20
Ok -- I see your point. I saw a couple of abstracts that were actually fun and intriguing whose straight forward title completely ruined the magic. It's like a magician explaining his trick right after he did it.

Message edited by author 2020-04-28 22:26:31.
 04/28/2020 10:09:58 PM · #21
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Ok, roast beef with a chocolate drizzle sounds awful...

Think of it as carne asada with some added mole sauce ...

THAT's a Californio speaking!
 04/28/2020 09:02:10 PM · #22
Originally posted by vawendy:
Ok, roast beef with a chocolate drizzle sounds awful...

Think of it as carne asada with some added mole sauce ...
 04/28/2020 06:29:57 PM · #23
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I find it amusing that Barry has taken the all American stance of "title is good because more is better" and Lydia is the European pondering the nuanced difference between being untitled and having a "title" of "Untitled."

I won't reveal my cards, but keep an eye out for whom Lydia might be splitting a baguette with at the corner cafe.

Can I have chocolate drizzle on mine please? :-D
I was thinking of piling it with roast beef but a drizzle works just as well! maybe both?


Ok, roast beef with a chocolate drizzle sounds awful...
 04/28/2020 03:28:25 PM · #24
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I find it amusing that Barry has taken the all American stance of "title is good because more is better" and Lydia is the European pondering the nuanced difference between being untitled and having a "title" of "Untitled."

I won't reveal my cards, but keep an eye out for whom Lydia might be splitting a baguette with at the corner cafe.

Can I have chocolate drizzle on mine please? :-D
I was thinking of piling it with roast beef but a drizzle works just as well! maybe both?
 04/28/2020 03:00:20 PM · #25
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by jomari:
I maintain the right to title my photos as I see fit. Thank you.

For me, titles will always influence my opinion and overall feeling of an entry. It's part of the presentation. I've sweated out the title on many occasion on my own entries trying to find that right balance. Sometimes a title can help tell the story. Sometimes the image doesn't need any help (those are harder for me to title). When I see an 'Untitled' entry it's almost an immediate one point reduction just because I feel like the photographer couldn't take the time or effort to put a title to it. Obviously, just my opinion.


I take photos so I don't have to write. The photo is the story.

That being said -- I would love if the new site had the option to show photographer's comments during specific challenge voting. When you go to a museum, many times it's very interesting to read the back story. And sometimes you have a backstory you really want people to know.

It would be interesting to vote on how well the story resonates with the photo and vice versa.

I would much rather do a comment or explanation than a title.


Oh. Some folks know that I usually write a book about my images in the Photog notes. I don't want those read until AFTER voting, and I don't want to read any one else's until AFTER voting.

A photo should stand on its own without need for either a title or a bio on the artist, in my opinion.

I do wish more people would write photog notes, though. I love reading the "behind the scenes" story after voting ends.

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