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05/20/2019 07:53:07 AM · #1 |
damn, hate hearing this wendy :-(
i ran into your husband at the faculty reception and he was so excited about what you've been doing at the aquarium.
if you don't mind my spending your money for you, let me offer you some advice i got from a pro dpc'er almost 15 years ago when i started exploring outside the realm of hobby-photography. he told me basically that if you want to play, you gotta pay. it's all the cost of doing business, being able to show up and handle whatever you're being paid to do. then he told me that it was all about the glass. buy the best pro glass you can, take care of it, and it will last for years and hold its value. [truth: i have two 70-200L that are over 13 years old and they work great.] he told me that, after the glass, buy the best bodies most suitable for the primary work you'll be doing (editorial/event, commercial, action, portrait, stock, or some combination of those) but to expect to replace the bodies every 2-3 years due to wear and tear, as well as technological advances. and he stressed the need for backup gear, that one of anything is just not enough to be safe. (and if that's way too far out of reach, either develop relationships with other nearby pros that can help you out and/or have a relationship with a gear rental company.) he left me with this: being a pro is not about being able to take a nice photo; it's about being able to show up on time with the gear necessary to do the work, with the skill and experience to do the work, to get the work done, on-time and on budget, every single time; that, and to deliver a bunch of nice photos.
as painful as that advice was at the time (especially when i was trying to shoot nascar with a silver rebel 300D and a kit lens), it has served me well over the years. YMMV...
good luck! |
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05/20/2019 06:35:21 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I'm trying to figure out where to go from here. I'm thinking about going full frame for both primary and backup cameras if I can sell all of my Canon gear. So then there's an issue of full frame vs cropped sensor lenses. (I still think it's odd that there's a difference. Some work on both, why don't they all?) |
I assume you are talking Sony? All my lenses are E-mount so I can use them on either a7r ii or 6300. The difference would be that on full frame it will be 70-300 and on 6300 105-450 BUT as the resolution on a7r ii is more than double of 6300 the result is probably the same, if not worse on 6300. And that makes me think that once I get another full frame body I will sell 6300 and stick to full frame only. I suspect that with Sony the ideas of the old Canon mirror world will stop to apply.
Do you have any other Sony lenses?
PS I just read a few articles about Sony mounts and now I am REALLY confused! ;) Not much help from me
Message edited by author 2019-05-20 07:02:57. |
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05/20/2019 06:06:42 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by bjoern:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I'm trying to figure out where to go from here. I'm thinking about going full frame for both primary and backup cameras if I can sell all of my Canon gear. So then there's an issue of full frame vs cropped sensor lenses. (I still think it's odd that there's a difference. Some work on both, why don't they all?) |
One reason ist that the mount is slightly different. It allows full frame lenses to be connected to FF cameras and those with APS-C sensors, but not lenses specific for APS-C sensors (EF-S Mount in Canon speak) to be connected to FF cameras (EF-Mount).
Apart from this purely mechanical reason, the construction of EF lenses covers the full frame sensor, and thus also the smaller APS-C sensor. However, a lens specific for APS-C covers an APS-C sensor, but not a full frame one. So even if you were able to fit such a lens to a full frame camera, the image quality towards the borders (outside the size of the APS-C sensor) would be very bad - dark and probably pretty blurry. |
Not on the Canon R series, if you attach an EF-s lens there will be an automatic crop, You will use you full frame camera as a cropped sensor one. (in my case still better than my 70D) |
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05/20/2019 03:31:01 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I'm trying to figure out where to go from here. I'm thinking about going full frame for both primary and backup cameras if I can sell all of my Canon gear. So then there's an issue of full frame vs cropped sensor lenses. (I still think it's odd that there's a difference. Some work on both, why don't they all?) |
One reason ist that the mount is slightly different. It allows full frame lenses to be connected to FF cameras and those with APS-C sensors, but not lenses specific for APS-C sensors (EF-S Mount in Canon speak) to be connected to FF cameras (EF-Mount).
Apart from this purely mechanical reason, the construction of EF lenses covers the full frame sensor, and thus also the smaller APS-C sensor. However, a lens specific for APS-C covers an APS-C sensor, but not a full frame one. So even if you were able to fit such a lens to a full frame camera, the image quality towards the borders (outside the size of the APS-C sensor) would be very bad - dark and probably pretty blurry. |
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05/19/2019 01:30:23 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by marnet:
I am about to sell my 18-105mm f4 Sony lens as I don't use it any more (I have 70-300 on the Sony 6300 all the time now). Not as good as your 16-70 but not bad at all. Let me know if you want it, I hardly used it so it is near new. |
I'm trying to figure out where to go from here. I'm thinking about going full frame for both primary and backup cameras if I can sell all of my Canon gear. So then there's an issue of full frame vs cropped sensor lenses. (I still think it's odd that there's a difference. Some work on both, why don't they all?)
Just out of curiosity, what are you asking for your 18-105? |
In Switzerland the lowest price I found for it new is 490 CHF ($484). I usually take off 20% for near new, 30% for very good condition so probably around $320.
I am selling my gear via Swiss Ricardo as a much better alternative to eBay. I got nearly very badly ripped off on eBay France selling my 5D MKII. If you are going to sell your Canon gear on eBay beware of con artists.
But forget my lens if you are going full-frame! I recently bought Sony 24-105 f4 and I am very happy with it. It has some vignetting at 24 but it is easily corrected in PP and it is very sharp at 24, still sharp at 105. You can get now a brand new a7r II for a reasonable price and if you can wait till a7r IV comes out you will probably get a7r III at a lower price than now. |
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05/18/2019 05:40:05 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by marnet:
I am about to sell my 18-105mm f4 Sony lens as I don't use it any more (I have 70-300 on the Sony 6300 all the time now). Not as good as your 16-70 but not bad at all. Let me know if you want it, I hardly used it so it is near new. |
I'm trying to figure out where to go from here. I'm thinking about going full frame for both primary and backup cameras if I can sell all of my Canon gear. So then there's an issue of full frame vs cropped sensor lenses. (I still think it's odd that there's a difference. Some work on both, why don't they all?)
Just out of curiosity, what are you asking for your 18-105? |
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05/18/2019 02:01:27 PM · #7 |
| I am about to sell my 18-105mm f4 Sony lens as I don't use it any more (I have 70-300 on the Sony 6300 all the time now). Not as good as your 16-70 but not bad at all. Let me know if you want it, I hardly used it so it is near new. |
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05/18/2019 01:55:37 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Ok -- so my my question is this:
Since the camera turns on and seems to work just fine, am I taking any chances using it?
And I don't mean with the camera itself -- I assume it will die down the road. I mean
Can I put lenses on it, or is that not safe for the lenses, batteries, cards, anything I would attach to it?
Is there anything I can do to make it safe to use with those accessories? |
I guess lenses would be the most expensive items on your list, I think you will need to check the lens contacts on the camera to ensure that there is no salt water on them to transfer. Otherwise I think they will be OK. Same goes for the batteries and cards, the contacts would be the main worry. |
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05/18/2019 01:46:43 PM · #9 |
Ok -- so my my question is this:
Since the camera turns on and seems to work just fine, am I taking any chances using it?
And I don't mean with the camera itself -- I assume it will die down the road. I mean
Can I put lenses on it, or is that not safe for the lenses, batteries, cards, anything I would attach to it?
Is there anything I can do to make it safe to use with those accessories? |
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05/17/2019 11:07:56 PM · #10 |
Well if you were in our neck of the woods,Phototronic Services are the Sony go to guys. theve been in the business for many years, they have saved my bacon a few times now .
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05/17/2019 06:48:26 PM · #11 |
Whaaa??? They had you ship it to them and... I assume with a fee... and then shipped it back to you saying that?
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05/17/2019 03:30:18 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by marnet:
What lens was it? I can't see any Sony lenses on your list.
PS If it was my camera/lens (so lucky there is no salt water in Switzerland! ;) I would look for a good local technician to evaluate the damage and maybe salvage the lens. The camera might be the more difficult one. |
It was a 16-70mm lens. basically $900-$1000. :(
there's A LOT of sand in it. Now that I have them both back, I think there's more of a chance that the camera is salvageable than the lens. I'm going to look around and see if anyplace near Virginia Beach cleans lenses. It's worth giving a shot. But I'm not holding out much hope.
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05/17/2019 12:55:59 PM · #13 |
| You're right that they don't want to touch it after saltwater bathing. Even back in the day, my professional repair shop in SoCal wouldn't do it on analog gear. They said it made too many customers bitter when the fix didn't last very long... |
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05/17/2019 11:15:19 AM · #14 |
What lens was it? I can't see any Sony lenses on your list.
PS If it was my camera/lens (so lucky there is no salt water in Switzerland! ;) I would look for a good local technician to evaluate the damage and maybe salvage the lens. The camera might be the more difficult one.
Message edited by author 2019-05-17 11:24:31. |
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05/17/2019 10:02:14 AM · #15 |
I just saw this Wendy...what a total bummer. I hope it is insured.
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05/16/2019 10:35:34 PM · #16 |
I'm not impressed with Sony service.
1. It's not Sony service, they just have you ship it to precision camera.
2. They sent back my camera, and didn't even call me to tell me what happened. I called them. They tell me it doesn't make economic sense to fix it because of corrosion.
3. I asked which part? Lens or camera. They said they just lumped them both together.
4. She had no information as to where the problems were. No information about where the corrosion occurred.
5. If they would have bothered to call, I would have told them to clean the lens anyway, and I'd just use it until it died. But I didn't even get the option.
I get the feeling that they didn't bother looking at anything. That they saw "salt water" and decided they didn't want to take the chance with it, since they have to guarantee their work, and they won't know until down the road if there's a problem.
When I started searching for Sony repair, the first thing that came up in the search it Sony Repair Sucks.
I can't currently disagree with that statement. I full expected that I killed it. But I would have liked them to at least look at it and give me the courtesy of talking to me about it. |
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05/11/2019 05:45:22 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by mariuca:
I don't know what astrological sign you are Wendy - could be a 13th one having to do with taking shots behind a car in reverse, or in a hurricane saving turtles....IDK ...the Adventurer perhaps? The daredevil? |
naw -- the car was going forward, not reverse. :P |
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05/11/2019 12:37:54 PM · #18 |
| I don't know what astrological sign you are Wendy - could be a 13th one having to do with taking shots behind a car in reverse, or in a hurricane saving turtles....IDK ...the Adventurer perhaps? The daredevil? |
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05/11/2019 11:54:49 AM · #19 |
That's great news, Wendy!
I'm hoping your camera gives the same results. Please let us know when you know.
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05/11/2019 08:18:01 AM · #20 |
Ok, the card is fine! Whoot!
Thanks Kirbic! You helped me breathe easier while I had to wait before getting the card!
Thanks for the response, everyone! It's going to be a hard wait -- I'm not considered a pro at Sony. Which is ironic, since I'm more of a pro now than I was with Canon, and I had CPS for about 8 years! So I'm in the queue with everyone else, and can't get the 3 day turn around. Considering the issue is salt, this is really making me cringe...
The question is, what kind of things are Exposed on the Sony that would cause problems? The article that was posted about the Nikon, said they have pulled off the vertical grip so the contacts were exposed. It doesn't look like water got into the battery case or into the main body.
Message edited by author 2019-05-11 08:22:11. |
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05/10/2019 09:48:31 PM · #21 |
| Ouch. Everyone else has already covered the advice I would offer. This is why I use relatively cheap gear. If I kill my $300 Olympus, I'll just go buy another one. |
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05/10/2019 07:05:08 PM · #22 |
I know it's no comfort but I just read this on FStoppers: https://fstoppers.com/originals/i-destroyed-my-camera-attempting-review-filter-kit-366962
Message edited by author 2019-05-10 19:05:58. |
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05/10/2019 07:44:54 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
...Hopefully the card is ok. I had two days of important event photos on it, and I left it at work (1.5 hours away). I wouldn't think that salt would work on the contacts that quickly, but I'm seriously worried. Can't get there until tomorrow evening. |
Should not be an issue. Once you get back to it, remove the card, rinse in clean water, dry and you will be fine. The contacts on the card will not corrode (yet). They are protected by a thin layer of gold, over a layer of nickel. I've heard of cameras lost overboard on ships, later coming to light and cards still readable. |
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05/10/2019 04:09:05 AM · #24 |
| Sorry to tell you but it's time for a new camera. they never recover from a soaking. |
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05/10/2019 01:21:34 AM · #25 |
just read what had happened Wendy ..
YIKES .. !! .. i have no advice .. but just wanted to say that i hope you get if fixed ..
i reckon that could be quite traumatic .. :(
oh .. just read Georges comment .. hope you win the lottery then .. ;) |
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