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02/15/2019 04:42:28 PM · #1

Oops! Like, I thought his was, like a Valley Girl forum. My bad.

mariuca

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02/15/2019 03:46:07 PM · #2

I love that the rambling got to potatoes or little tea cups

02/15/2019 03:34:05 PM · #3

Today is Fry day

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02/15/2019 03:09:07 PM · #4

poke 'em in the eyes.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

02/15/2019 03:04:40 PM · #5

Disappointed ...

wbanning

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02/15/2019 02:53:26 PM · #6

I'm starting to get fried with this thread.

But then again, the me-less entity in my head (or sense of head-ness I experience as non-me) really likes fries.

02/15/2019 02:42:00 PM · #7

Peel em and heal em

02/15/2019 02:26:37 PM · #8

Bake, brother.

02/15/2019 02:19:11 PM · #9

Originally posted by tnun:

If you meet the potato on the road, kill it.

Burn them all.

02/15/2019 02:03:14 PM · #10

If you meet the potato on the road, kill it.

02/15/2019 08:08:19 AM · #11

Though it was not my intention to be, I resolve to continue....

For the time being, of course.

02/15/2019 02:43:10 AM · #12

Who says my poems are poems?
My poems are not poems.
When you know that my poems are not poems,
Then we can speak of poetry!
� Ryokan

02/15/2019 02:35:38 AM · #13

Originally posted by tnun:

I misread jagar's last post as: "Do we have a choice to be like a potato."

Why not, It has as much significance as any other like :-) the question could then be did you choose to call it a potato and not a potatoe and what is it really if it�s not a word or a sound in the head?

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02/14/2019 06:54:31 PM · #14

I misread jagar's last post as: "Do we have a choice to be like a potato."

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/14/2019 01:45:30 PM · #15

I am a teapot, short

and stout.

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............Here is my handle,

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..............................and here...

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....................here...

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is my spout.

digifotojo

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

02/13/2019 05:12:13 PM · #16

From earth to sea clouds carry me.
To sea from earth I turn at birth.

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

02/13/2019 02:28:45 AM · #17

Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu
Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion
or cultural system. I am not from the East
or the West, not out of the ocean or up
from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not
composed of elements at all. I do not exist,
am not an entity in this world or in the next,
did not descend from Adam and Eve or any
origin story. My place is placeless, a trace
of the traceless. Neither body or soul.
I belong to the beloved, have seen the two
worlds as one and that one call to and know,
first, last, outer, inner, only that
breath breathing human being.

Rumi.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

02/12/2019 03:56:20 PM · #18

OH NO

If you wander far enough
you will come to it
and when you get there
they will give you a place to sit

for yourself only, in a nice chair,
and all your friends will be there
with smiles on their faces
and they will likewise all have places.

Robert Creeley

Message edited by author 2019-02-12 15:56:49.

02/12/2019 03:27:44 PM · #19

Do we have a choice to like a photo? Do we have any choice at all ?

All the info ever assimulated by this body mind just happened, no one chose that information, it was given, no one chose their parents, no one chooses their likes and dislikes, their illnesses, their talents. If there�s a sense of choice there�s a sense of being separate. If someone is scared of dogs, did they choose that? Maybe they were attacked or scared by a dog when they were young, that could be the cause but they didn�t choose that. That person who feels scared of dogs might be walking around thinking that they are choosing to avoid dogs, that�s just not true at all, there was never a choice. Some other encounter might make that person decide they would like not to be scared of dogs, they didn�t choose that encounter or event either. When there absolutely no doubt about the fact that there is no choice anywhere ever, what happens then just happens and judgement stops. There is no possibility of a right or a wrong or a good or a bad because it�s known that nobody is doing anything, there is no doer. The apparent entity that chooses is not really happening, there is no body to blame, neither oneself or another.

A causes B that causes C that causes D to infinity. If you think that Z happened because you caused Y, you are completely mistaken because A caused Y and you had nothing whatsoever to do with that. There�s only one thing happening, there�s never been two, there�s no me or no you, there�s just THIS.

Karma is when there is an experience of a me in the cycle of cause and effect, karma can only happen to a me.

Message edited by author 2019-02-12 15:29:46.

bob350

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02/12/2019 01:56:03 PM · #20

Row row row your boat
Gently down the stream
Merrily merrily merrily merrily
Life is but a dream

02/12/2019 12:33:41 PM · #21

Originally posted by jagar:

Jeb, this experience of feeling like there�s a separate thing called me and everything else that isn�t me is what seems to happen to the human,

I believe that, yes.

Originally posted by jagar:

at a young age we identify with this me and from then on everything else is experienced as separate from me.

Although I do identify my separate existence, I don't feel that I live separate from the rest of what is.

Originally posted by jagar:

This identification is only that, an identification, a condition that seemes to happen to this human.

Well, sure yeah, that's the sentient part.

Originally posted by jagar:

There�s absolutely nothing wrong with it, only that it�s unsatisfying, so we seek to feel complete.

On the contrary, I find it exhilarating. I have the capacity to learn, grow and travel with the experience.

Originally posted by jagar:

Every one of our experiences is separated out into right and wrong and good and bad,

Oh, good grief, no! Though I can attach various levels of what they mean to me, it's certainly almost never black and white like that. Fifty thousand shades of grey!

Originally posted by jagar:

life is then perceived in a time line of constantly choosing what we�d prefere and constantly avoiding what we don�t like.

To a degree, I can see that, but there are lots of times where weighing the possibilities beforehand can radically temper the viewpoint.

Originally posted by jagar:

We can feel happy when things fall into the what I want and think is good half of reality and we feel like shit when the inevitable other half happens.

My feel-like-shit zone is not very prominent. It's mostly a selfish, and lazy place where I find myself indulging in wasting time. Pick your philosopher, but if you live through an experience, it was an object lesson, and that goes for good experiences as well as "bad". Thing is, even a bad experience, at least in my book, is a good thing if it improves my ability to not wander down that path again.

Originally posted by jagar:

Most people continue like this and don�t doubt that the experience of being a me is all there is.

Oh, I know better than that, and again, I have no illusions as to my relevance. But I do try to learn and enjoy what this little side journey is for me.

Originally posted by jagar:

For no apparent reason some people seek outside the usual spheres of material, self importance, intellectual recognition, romance etc and look for something else, spirituality, religion.

I'm less in search of other avenues than I am willing to explore new things that come my way.

Originally posted by jagar:

What is being suggested here is that the energy of seeking, the movement towards something else, whether it be looking for the best car or wanting to be recognised in our domain of excellence by people we consider good, or looking for enlightenment and the ultimate truth, is the feeling and experience of being a separate individual.

Yep. That'd be my take.

Originally posted by jagar:

When that seeking energy drops the energy of feeling like an individual stops and it�s seen to have never existed.

I think this is the fatal flaw in the premise for my POV. Something can cease to exist without never having existed.

Originally posted by jagar:

Everything is the same, working mind does it�s thing, jumping out of the way of the oncoming bus still happens, helping another human, still happens, asking Robert to please paragraph this monologue correctly� still happens.

Of course! And when Robert is gone, the bus has driven down the road, and humans helping one another continues, there will be those who will remember the ones that went before them. Not necessarily in perputuity, but for a small glimmer before ceasing entirely.

Originally posted by jagar:

Thinking mind though is seen for what it is, that voice that�s always been in there, judging situations, putting everything in a box of good and bad, the all day long incessant bla bla bla of the choice making machine called me no longer happens, why? because this, exactly how it is, couldn�t be any different.

And this still leaves me stumped. LOL...

pixelpig

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02/09/2019 01:13:35 PM · #22

You are all figments of my imagination.

02/09/2019 12:49:42 PM · #23

Jeb, this experience of feeling like there�s a separate thing called me and everything else that isn�t me is what seems to happen to the human, at a young age we identify with this me and from then on everything else is experienced as separate from me. This identification is only that, an identification, a condition that seemes to happen to this human. There�s absolutely nothing wrong with it, only that it�s unsatisfying, so we seek to feel complete.

Every one of our experiences is separated out into right and wrong and good and bad, life is then perceived in a timeline of constantly choosing what we�d prefer and constantly avoiding what we don�t like. We can feel happy when things fall into the what I want and think is good half of reality and we feel like shit when the inevitable other half happens. Most people continue like this and don�t doubt that the experience of being a me is all there is.

For no apparent reason some people seek outside the usual spheres of material, self importance, intellectual recognition, romance etc and look for something else, spirituality, religion. What is being suggested here is that the energy of seeking, the movement towards something else, whether it be looking for the best car or wanting to be recognised in our domain of excellence by people we consider good, or looking for enlightenment and the ultimate truth, is the feeling and experience of being a separate individual.

When that seeking energy drops the energy of feeling like an individual stops and it�s seen to have never existed. Everything is the same, working mind does its thing, jumping out of the way of the oncoming bus still happens, helping another human, still happens, asking Robert to please paragraph this monologue correctly still happens.

Thinking mind though is seen for what it is, that voice that�s always been in there, judging situations, putting everything in a box of good and bad, the all day long incessant bla bla bla of the choice making machine called me no longer happens, why? because this, exactly how it is, couldn�t be any different.

Message edited by Bear_Music - broken up for ease of reading.

02/09/2019 10:34:24 AM · #24

Originally posted by jagar:

What seemed to create a chattering chock here, and I use seemed and happen with a pinch of salt because nothing actually happened, was when for some reason it was known (also not the right word) that absolutely everything that could be thought about wasn�t my doing. What I mean is that all the info that this body mind had and could ever have, was given to me, nothing that was being perceived by the senses could be explained if I hadn�t been told what it is. All the concepts i had where not my own. Without input into the machine by sources that I had no control over, there could be no perceiving of me and all that was not me. So what�s left when it�s seen that nothing is you? what�s left when you know that who�ve you�ve thought yourself to be is only handed down thought? There�s only one thing left and it�s totally empty yet completely full, there�s no space in it for knowledge, good or bad or a me.

What is sentience?

Originally posted by jagar:

What is can�t be known, it�s not in thought but yet it�s constantly happening, you�ve never not been it and it�s never not been you.

But how can I know this if I believe that I exist? I don't dispute that I'm a product of my guidance, but my exact reactions, responses, and impulses cannot necessarily be foretold. Yes, reasonable predictions can be made, but nobody knows for sure. I accept, o9f course, that I will do and feel certain ways about certain things, but the same way that I was created casn be altered by other input variables.