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11/13/2017 06:37:03 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by rgrenaderphoto:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
[quote=snaffles] While we're on the topic of copyright.. |
This snot nosed little SOB should be sued just for being a clueless idiot. |
Robert, you DO realize the original post by the "bride" was a satirical piece? It's like a compilation of ALL the cardinal sins rolled into one big ball of hot mess :-) |
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11/13/2017 06:11:28 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
[quote=snaffles] While we're on the topic of copyright.. |
This snot nosed little SOB should be sued just for being a clueless idiot. |
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11/13/2017 03:06:14 PM · #3 |
What an awesome gesture of kindness. I've gone to the hospital and given free hairdos to clients of mine to help in their recovery. I get as much out of this as they do. Kudos to you.
Thank you,  RamblinR [/quote]
Nothin wrong with karma photography! :-) [/quote] |
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11/12/2017 06:14:11 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:
I wonder how many photographers will take her up on her offer. |
Freelancing Doesn't Mean Free.
I would love to see a link to the Bride's social media posts.
Message edited by author 2017-11-12 18:14:44. |
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10/23/2017 12:41:03 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I guess I fail to find this all that funny because I've had a couple similar situations where I've been offered jobs where I'd work for free to enhance my portfolio.
Not... No thanks... Buh-bye... |
Shocking at first. Then once you read the whole story and see the satire and irony of how at one point or another service providers encounter these type of people. |
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10/23/2017 09:24:16 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
Originally posted by RamblinR:
There is also another side to this coin.
I do a small job for a local hospital every year when they give awards to their staff for years of service which I get paid for.
They contacted me and asked if I would shoot a fundraiser for breast cancer. Images were for newsletter purposes and an account of the event so just shoot what I want.
My payment was a ticket at the table which included a free meal and drink (valued at $95) and they added me to the sponsor list and I would be credited in the newsletter.
I agreed to do the shoot and offered to make a full presentation for them to link on sponsor sites and in their newsletter instead of just sending them a few photos.
Here is the presentation that I gave them and they were totally impressed PINKTOBER
I was happy to do the shoot as it was for a really good cause.
The presentation can be used to promote next years fundraiser and other purposes.
I'm really proud of the presentation I made for them.
I need to shoot more of this type of work to get comfortable with it and with approaching people so this was a useful lesson for me.
This presentation was created with spark.adobe.com
I only found it a few weeks ago and I'm totally in love with it.
It's perfect for this type of work where I can offer a link to someone but I have total control over it. |
Thank you, RamblinR |
Nothin wrong with karma photography! :-)
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10/22/2017 11:14:33 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by RamblinR:
There is also another side to this coin.
I do a small job for a local hospital every year when they give awards to their staff for years of service which I get paid for.
They contacted me and asked if I would shoot a fundraiser for breast cancer. Images were for newsletter purposes and an account of the event so just shoot what I want.
My payment was a ticket at the table which included a free meal and drink (valued at $95) and they added me to the sponsor list and I would be credited in the newsletter.
I agreed to do the shoot and offered to make a full presentation for them to link on sponsor sites and in their newsletter instead of just sending them a few photos.
Here is the presentation that I gave them and they were totally impressed PINKTOBER
I was happy to do the shoot as it was for a really good cause.
The presentation can be used to promote next years fundraiser and other purposes.
I'm really proud of the presentation I made for them.
I need to shoot more of this type of work to get comfortable with it and with approaching people so this was a useful lesson for me.
This presentation was created with spark.adobe.com
I only found it a few weeks ago and I'm totally in love with it.
It's perfect for this type of work where I can offer a link to someone but I have total control over it. |
Thank you, RamblinR |
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10/22/2017 06:11:00 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by RamblinR:
There is also another side to this coin.... |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I've worked for non-profit organizations since the early 1970s and I think there is nothing wrong in discounting or donating services to an organization to which you might otherwise give cash. |
I do work for free on occasion. But it's work I choose for my reasons. To have someone suggest/request that I work for their benefit and try to thinly disguise it as being an "opportunity" to further my reputation/career/portfolio is what I find distasteful. |
Exactly. I consider myself a serious hobbyist who occasionally makes sales via Alamy. I know I have the skills and gear. I don't need to shoot anything for my port, but if the opportunity arises to shoot stuff I may not normally be interested in, sure I'll shoot for free...but I do charge for prints and slather my watermark all over them to help hinder theft :-) |
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10/21/2017 12:02:04 PM · #9 |
What a chrome plated @$$hole!
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10/21/2017 11:52:19 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by RamblinR:
There is also another side to this coin.... |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I've worked for non-profit organizations since the early 1970s and I think there is nothing wrong in discounting or donating services to an organization to which you might otherwise give cash. |
I do work for free on occasion. But it's work I choose for my reasons. To have someone suggest/request that I work for their benefit and try to thinly disguise it as being an "opportunity" to further my reputation/career/portfolio is what I find distasteful.
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10/20/2017 10:01:53 PM · #11 |
While we're on the topic of copyright...
Unbelievable copyright theft case |
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10/20/2017 08:59:04 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by RamblinR:
There is also another side to this coin.... |
I've worked for non-profit organizations since the early 1970s and I think there is nothing wrong in discounting or donating services to an organization to which you might otherwise give cash. |
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10/20/2017 08:38:16 PM · #13 |
There is also another side to this coin.
I do a small job for a local hospital every year when they give awards to their staff for years of service which I get paid for.
They contacted me and asked if I would shoot a fundraiser for breast cancer. Images were for newsletter purposes and an account of the event so just shoot what I want.
My payment was a ticket at the table which included a free meal and drink (valued at $95) and they added me to the sponsor list and I would be credited in the newsletter.
I agreed to do the shoot and offered to make a full presentation for them to link on sponsor sites and in their newsletter instead of just sending them a few photos.
Here is the presentation that I gave them and they were totally impressed PINKTOBER
I was happy to do the shoot as it was for a really good cause.
The presentation can be used to promote next years fundraiser and other purposes.
I'm really proud of the presentation I made for them.
I need to shoot more of this type of work to get comfortable with it and with approaching people so this was a useful lesson for me.
This presentation was created with spark.adobe.com
I only found it a few weeks ago and I'm totally in love with it.
It's perfect for this type of work where I can offer a link to someone but I have total control over it.
Message edited by author 2017-11-08 22:15:19. |
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10/20/2017 01:34:26 PM · #14 |
I guess I fail to find this all that funny because I've had a couple similar situations where I've been offered jobs where I'd work for free to enhance my portfolio.
Not... No thanks... Buh-bye...
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10/20/2017 01:26:22 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
copyrights can be sold and/or traded. |
True.....
But by the actual copyright owner, which in this case is definitely *NOT* her.
If she wants shared copyright, *SHE* needs to pay.
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10/20/2017 08:49:40 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
It is a satirical post. It touches on many points photographers go through when dealing with people who do not understand what goes into the work. As for the copyright comment, copyrights can be sold and/or traded. It was a good laugh, but it does remind you the headaches people go through everyday running businesses and dealing with the general public. |
Absolutely :-) |
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10/20/2017 08:46:33 AM · #17 |
| It is a satirical post. It touches on many points photographers go through when dealing with people who do not understand what goes into the work. As for the copyright comment, copyrights can be sold and/or traded. It was a good laugh, but it does remind you the headaches people go through everyday running businesses and dealing with the general public. |
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10/19/2017 09:47:28 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
...Considering that the copyright isn't hers to offer up, that just makes it all the more ridiculous. |
...which is why I made sure to mention the shared copyright thing! Guess she didn't know about copyrights being intellectual property! ;-) |
Maybe she's twisted up enough to believe that if she's doing you a favor by allowing you to shoot, she owns the work product, and she's being generous by allowing you to share it with her? |
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10/19/2017 07:13:07 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
...Considering that the copyright isn't hers to offer up, that just makes it all the more ridiculous. |
...which is why I made sure to mention the shared copyright thing! Guess she didn't know about copyrights being intellectual property! ;-) |
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10/19/2017 03:33:47 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
let's not forget that whole *shared copyright* thing) so that the photog would have material for their port...lame. |
Considering that the copyright isn't hers to offer up, that just makes it all the more ridiculous.
It's just such a ridiculous piece that it can't be real.
I would imagine there are about as many chefs and hoteliers out there willing to give up food and lodging as there are pro wedding photographers that would take this supposed job.
Heck, I'm not remotely a pro, but having shot four weddings to date, I'd tell anyone that approached me with "Portfolio Exposure" for my fee to go pound sand.
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10/18/2017 05:52:23 PM · #21 |
FWIW I have no problem with the barter system, but it has to be equal on both sides. I traded my metal detector, which I was trying to unload for the princely sum of $50 CDN, for 5 classes (worth $70) with the owner of the yoga studio where I practice.
But even though thae original post was in jest, doesn't seem that far-fetched that a bride would expect an amateur to flip out over the opportunity to shoot her wedding for free (and let's not forget that whole *shared copyright* thing) so that the photog would have material for their port...lame. |
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10/18/2017 05:15:54 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by RamblinR:
It's not really that far fetched as we all know.
I saw an advertisement for a Yoga lady who was creating videos online and people joined for a fee for the year. She wanted someone to come and take photos for her Instagram site, no payment but she would credit you on her site (can't see how that would help me as these people are online and could be from anywhere and would not be local enough for my services)
Another local motel/hotel wanted images for pamphlets etc no recognition no payment but both would allow you to use them for your portfolio. Really!!! wow thanks.
What I don't understand with this is that they have something they can offer in return so you do get a payment of sorts.
Yoga lady could have offered a year subscription to her site, costs her nothing anyway so why not give something of yours in return.
Hotel could have offered a weekend accommodation free with a gift voucher or something.
Whilst some photographers would still not do the job the point is that they give a payment in kind.
Why can't people/businesses at least see this, see that our services are worth something, otherwise just get out your mobile phone and go for it. |
Have never understood the something for nothing" approach; they have a service/product they want to get paid for, but not pay the photographer. Why don't they just use their cellphone, or their point and shoot, or rent a "good" camera? Clearly a pro brings something else to the table and should be compensated somehow for that "something".
That being said, if brides want to trust their "special day" on someone who needs port shots.... caveat emptor.
Message edited by author 2017-10-18 17:16:51. |
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10/18/2017 05:05:55 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
I was invited to a group on Facebook not long ago for local wedding services (ranging from photographers to DJ's and so on) so that brides can post there and ask for services... I just saw a post for someone asking for engagement photos... And their price range... Get this... PORTFOLIO ADDITIONS! |
You should send a screen-shot to the F-Stoppers. :-) |
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10/18/2017 04:25:16 PM · #24 |
| I was invited to a group on Facebook not long ago for local wedding services (ranging from photographers to DJ's and so on) so that brides can post there and ask for services... I just saw a post for someone asking for engagement photos... And their price range... Get this... PORTFOLIO ADDITIONS! |
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10/18/2017 04:20:33 PM · #25 |
| Had me fooled at first. It literally hits all nerve ending on a photographer. |
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