Is a DPC ribbon a "prize" - DPChallenge Forums

11/17/2015 01:41:22 PM · #1

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by SEG:

If you continue to fight their rule you are essentially attempting to get a participation trophy and not challenge yourself because you've put the photo out into the world for peer review and know that it is a success and it doesn't matter the way in which the success is recognized. I'd be curious to know which photo it is. If it's you yellow in the best of 200x challenge then that hold even more weight considering it won vs the best of the best of that year.l on this site which voters here tend to be tougher on.

I'm not fighting anything. I'm also not trying to get away with anything. I only asked for a rule clarification.

This is one of the images I was considering, but there are more.

You have great images and I'm sure you'll do well regardless of the one you choose.

To be clear I was talking about other posters more than you on the "fighting" comment.

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

11/17/2015 01:38:34 PM · #2

Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

Originally posted by SEG:
There is no dislike button...

Au contraire, it's called a "2". ;)

I was referring to Facebook with that comment for clarification in an attempt to say that on Facebook only the people who like or pretend to like your image get a say so it's not a contest in any sense of the definition.

Message edited by author 2015-11-17 13:40:02.

scarbrd

Leica M10

11/17/2015 12:02:48 PM · #3

Originally posted by dtremain:

Originally posted by scarbrd:
This is one of the images I was considering, but there are more.

You've got enough great images - you could be blindfolded, throw a dart at them - enter the one the dart hits / is closest to.

Thank you very much! :-)

dtremain

Canon EOS 80D

Canon EF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 II

11/17/2015 11:48:04 AM · #4

Originally posted by scarbrd:

This is one of the images I was considering, but there are more.

You've got enough great images - you could be blindfolded, throw a dart at them - enter the one the dart hits / is closest to.

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

11/17/2015 11:47:55 AM · #5

Most contests do not want entries that have appeared elsewhere, especially if said images have received some sort of recognition. That is what I understood their rule to mean, and so it is.

The semantics of whether our "ribbons" are actual "prizes" is irrelevant.

Good luck with your entry, David!

scarbrd

Leica M10

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

11/17/2015 11:19:33 AM · #6

Originally posted by SEG:

If you continue to fight their rule you are essentially attempting to get a participation trophy and not challenge yourself because you've put the photo out into the world for peer review and know that it is a success and it doesn't matter the way in which the success is recognized. I'd be curious to know which photo it is. If it's you yellow in the best of 200x challenge then that hold even more weight considering it won vs the best of the best of that year.l on this site which voters here tend to be tougher on.

I'm not fighting anything. I'm also not trying to get away with anything. I only asked for a rule clarification.

This is one of the images I was considering, but there are more.

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11/17/2015 11:14:58 AM · #7

Originally posted by SEG:

There is no dislike button...

Au contraire, it's called a "2". ;)

tate

Apple iPhone 14 Pro

11/17/2015 10:44:37 AM · #8

Great idea!

Originally posted by Lydia:

Often, I have several similar images taken at the same time... If you have one, just enter another image... that's legal even here on DPC.

11/17/2015 10:37:17 AM · #9

I understand the arguments and only slightly agree with he majority it seems. Comparing Facebook likes and posthumous award is far from what we are doing here in challenges. There is no dislike button and no one to oppose the posthumous award. No matter how you look it the best photos are usually in the top and the worst in the bottom on this site. It's all subjective but at the end of the day a jury of your peers voted 1-10 on the photo.

I don't agree with the rules of the contest but they placed them and have spoken on it. Challenge yourself and enter something else or take a new photo. Isn't that how we get better anyway? Through constant new challenges?

If you continue to fight their rule you are essentially attempting to get a participation trophy and not challenge yourself because you've put the photo out into the world for peer review and know that it is a success and it doesn't matter the way in which the success is recognized. I'd be curious to know which photo it is. If it's you yellow in the best of 200x challenge then that hold even more weight considering it won vs the best of the best of that year.l on this site which voters here tend to be tougher on.

Message edited by author 2015-11-17 10:43:23.

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11/17/2015 10:31:04 AM · #10

Originally posted by nam:

I agree that the answer is very clear but it also sounds ridiculous to me. I hate it when sponsoring groups put rules in place that they cannot hope to enforce. Our state fair went more and more this direction - to the point that now they might as well say, "If your work is any good, please don't enter. We want to make people with mediocre work feel good."

Originally posted by scarbrd:
Here is their reply,

Dear Sir or Madam

Thank you for your inquiry.
Please allow us to reply as follows.

Any photo that has been recognized in a contest, for example even as an honorable mention, may not be entered into our contest, regardless of whether a physical prize has been presented or not.

We ask for your kind understanding and look forward to your participation.

Even if you don't win a ribbon, just place in the top 5, the image is ineligible.

This is the sad true state of the world, well North America at least. If your too good you have to slack off to let the other get a chance to win. I agree. Everyone should put their best foot forward at all times and take the cristicism/critique and get better from it.

herfotoman

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

11/17/2015 10:30:24 AM · #11

We definitely do not have contests, only challenges.

No Contest has such reverence for receiving the Brown, as our challenges have.

No contest allows for hours of fun between contestants, bickering about the correctness of the interpretation of the very rules that allowed you to enter before, during and after the fact; never mind having the rules changed .....

Submit with a clear conscience, I say.

If taken this far, then would it also disallow images accepted in 1x?
What about having "Likes" on facebook? hehe

nam

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Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

11/17/2015 10:19:31 AM · #12

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Here is their reply,

Dear Sir or Madam

Thank you for your inquiry.
Please allow us to reply as follows.

Any photo that has been recognized in a contest, for example even as an honorable mention, may not be entered into our contest, regardless of whether a physical prize has been presented or not.

We ask for your kind understanding and look forward to your participation.

Even if you don't win a ribbon, just place in the top 5, the image is ineligible.

Lydia

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

11/17/2015 10:17:14 AM · #13

Often, I have several similar images taken at the same time... If you have one, just enter another image... that's legal even here on DPC.

tate

Apple iPhone 14 Pro

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

11/17/2015 09:52:00 AM · #14

Maybe you can get a retro-active DQ? ;P

Originally posted by scarbrd:

dtremain

Canon EOS 80D

Canon EF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 II

11/17/2015 08:40:02 AM · #15

So it does sound like a Posthumous ribbon would also dq you from their contest. Maybe even getting a comment... Ah, well, it is their contest.

Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS Macro

11/17/2015 06:55:27 AM · #16

Very clear answer, indeed. Still, I have to wonder if what we do here 3 times a week, 13-15 times a month would actually be considered as a "contest" as defined by most people. Perhaps the Open challenges, but the rest seem more like what happens at a photography club where everyone submits a photo and at the end of the night a group of winners are chosen. If you really want to enter the image I would ask the question again along those lines.

GeorgesBogaert

Canon RP

11/17/2015 06:45:15 AM · #17

very clear answer

scarbrd

Leica M10

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

11/17/2015 06:38:42 AM · #18

Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS Macro

11/17/2015 06:30:31 AM · #19

Originally posted by SEG:

While a ribbon may not be a "prize" it probably still goes against the spirit of the contest you are entering. I'm sure one of the reasons they do not want you to enter something that has already won a "prize" is that you have put it out into the world to be judged in an advanced and you are choosing it because it has previously done well.

I have to take exception to this only because it's something that's been brought up countless times and has to be an accepted part of participating in this place - scores here are based on absolutely nothing but the personal impression of the viewer at the time it was viewed. 1 thru 10 are arbitrary measures that can be based on the temperature of the room, time of day, amount of drink, and not on anything that has to do with actual photography as a rule (though many do judge that way). I'm long over that and accept it fully. But because of that I would say that winning a ribbon here, while a feel good ego boost, is the photographic equivalent of a husband telling a wife she doesn't look fat in that dress. The ruling may have an absolute parallel in reality, but the basis for the judgement is flawed when held up to those used in a true, measured assessment.

I love this place, and my statement is not meant to belittle any achievement here. I am only reasserting that every award here is a pat on the back from the community but not anything that should or frankly could be considered disqualifying criteria for the OP's contest. It is no more against the spirit of the contest than posting a group of images to your Facebook page and asking your friends which one you should enter. Otherwise I suspect that a Posthumous Blue may be as much a disqualifying factor as a first place ribbon.

GeorgesBogaert

Canon RP

11/17/2015 12:48:21 AM · #20

it's a 21 on 30 pixel GIF image...that gives you a good feeling.

Message edited by author 2015-11-17 01:37:06.

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11/16/2015 10:36:11 PM · #21

Bear_Music

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11/16/2015 07:52:40 PM · #22

Prize = monetary value, something tangible. You're clean on that.

Lydia

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

11/16/2015 05:08:17 PM · #23

I say it's not.

I love 'em... but they're no prize. :D