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09/07/2015 08:46:55 AM · #1
no
09/07/2015 08:37:11 AM · #2
Originally posted by Tiny:

I blame daytime tv.


Isn't that called "the internet"?
09/07/2015 08:24:05 AM · #3
I blame daytime tv.
09/07/2015 07:59:42 AM · #4
It's truly sad when the final DPL challenge garners 74 entries and averages only 61 votes per entry. I received only 10 votes in the last 48 hours, and with a single exception I'm thankful for every one of them - the last 2 in particular.

Here's to hoping the next DPL sees consistent participation equal to the first couple weeks and not the last couple.
09/05/2015 04:06:25 AM · #5
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

(you guys all ready for the dope testing?).


I might fail that but I was the worse player on the team....
09/04/2015 07:17:16 PM · #6
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

... that was probably sour grapes (you guys all ready for the dope testing?).

FWIW research on Silicon Valley companies found worker productivity higher at those which did not have routine drug-testing policies ...
09/04/2015 07:16:04 PM · #7
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

(you guys all ready for the dope testing?).

Right. Y'all need to report to GeneralE out on the Left Coast: his clinic has the contract for DPC Drug Testing :-)
09/04/2015 06:55:27 PM · #8
I agree with Ursula, as you said MAK, you guys rocked it - well done!

I do think this thread was more about the swing in votes with so few of them rather than any cheating, however, it had been mentioned in other threads but that was probably sour grapes (you guys all ready for the dope testing?).

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by MAK:

Certain people need to simply understand this.

We rocked it

Nuff said.

I think Wendy got it right, we have great talent in our team (I am the worse of us all) and we had a great week in a challenge that had fewer entries than in other DPL related challenges. Regardless, we are where we are on MERIT! no dullskuggery involved, so maybe those who consider us cheats should take a long look in the mirror.

Our team consists of honest decent people who would never think of voting decent images lower just incase it was from an opposing team... bloody cheek!!!!


You did! Sincere congratulations to you and your team. You guys did great :)
09/04/2015 11:30:57 AM · #9
Originally posted by MAK:

Certain people need to simply understand this.

We rocked it

Nuff said.

I think Wendy got it right, we have great talent in our team (I am the worse of us all) and we had a great week in a challenge that had fewer entries than in other DPL related challenges. Regardless, we are where we are on MERIT! no dullskuggery involved, so maybe those who consider us cheats should take a long look in the mirror.

Our team consists of honest decent people who would never think of voting decent images lower just incase it was from an opposing team... bloody cheek!!!!


You did! Sincere congratulations to you and your team. You guys did great :)
09/04/2015 11:27:26 AM · #10
Originally posted by tate:

when there aren't enough votes, the results can become volatile and swing as a result of a single click.
I'm always wanting DPC to improve and I think something needs to be done to get more users / votes - but I'm not sure how affective the get satisfaction page is as moving this along. Well intended though I suppose.

Originally posted by MAK:

Our team consists of honest decent people who would never think of voting decent images lower just incase it was from an opposing team... bloody cheek!!!!


Yeh man, I understand that, it can swing the vote for or against ...

I would love to see DPC grow again and this is why I always recommend running a league like DPL, it's not for everyone I know but the participation certainly goes up 5 fold when its running so might be an idea to run the league regular, also, no other site has a league system, we could maybe include winners/RU/places get small prizes, even something like being able to select any image from the DPL term as a print or whatever...

I would be very happy to help out any way I can to make this site work as it has always been an inspiration for me & those I introduced.
09/04/2015 10:22:04 AM · #11
You guys did an amazing job. I don't think anyone has a realistic argument that there is any cheating going on. But the truth is, when there aren't enough votes, the results can become volatile and swing as a result of a single click.
I'm always wanting DPC to improve and I think something needs to be done to get more users / votes - but I'm not sure how affective the get satisfaction page is as moving this along. Well intended though I suppose.

Originally posted by MAK:

Our team consists of honest decent people who would never think of voting decent images lower just incase it was from an opposing team... bloody cheek!!!!
09/04/2015 10:10:03 AM · #12
Certain people need to simply understand this.

We rocked it

Nuff said.

I think Wendy got it right, we have great talent in our team (I am the worse of us all) and we had a great week in a challenge that had fewer entries than in other DPL related challenges. Regardless, we are where we are on MERIT! no dullskuggery involved, so maybe those who consider us cheats should take a long look in the mirror.

Our team consists of honest decent people who would never think of voting decent images lower just incase it was from an opposing team... bloody cheek!!!!
09/04/2015 09:14:23 AM · #13
As a dad of 3 kids in a hectic household it often happens that I am voting / commenting on a challenge and I get pulled away ... Then I forget to finish voting.

some other ideas:

1) Have a reminder larger reminder message alerting users to finish voting on their home page.

2) Email a reminder for users to finish voting. THis can be a preference that would help forgetful people like myself.

3) Reward people who vote on more than 90% of images (in case they cannot vote on an image or 2 due to knowing the image or as a SC member who previewed the image) with:
a) the opportunity to apply decimal votes to images to allow for favorites to rise above others in that given challenge. (ie: 6.0, 6.5, 6.7, 7.0, 7.5)
and/or
b) credit toward getting into a special monthly challenge for people who vote on a certain percentage of the prior month's challenges.
-- just some ideas ...


Originally posted by Techo:

Perhaps indeed the easiest trick right now to raise the vote, even if by a little, would be to raise the 20% to say 50%. For starters at least? Maybe worth a try on a few challenges and see what happens.
09/02/2015 03:25:36 PM · #14
Originally posted by tate:

Interesting. Possibly another DPL related thing as well. I know I looked at my teammates images a few times during the challenge but obviously couldn't vote. If not that, than maybe a "thumbnail view" type thing. If the thumbnail is difficult to see well, maybe it gets more views as a larger image?



i plotted it against the number of comments received to to see if maybe the images with more comments would be raising this number and that not really conclusive, although the higher scoring images do have more views during the challenge than the lower scoring ones.

Message edited by author 2015-09-02 15:25:55.
09/02/2015 03:20:29 PM · #15
Perhaps indeed the easiest trick right now to raise the vote, even if by a little, would be to raise the 20% to say 50%. For starters at least? Maybe worth a try on a few challenges and see what happens.
09/02/2015 03:11:54 PM · #16
Originally posted by MikeO:

How can it all be fair and even if different photos get different amounts of votes? I have found this to be unfair for a long time now.
It's either vote on all the images or none at all, ditch the minimum 20% vote, that way every image would get the same amount of votes.


At the very least everybody who enters should be required to vote 100%, at least that's my opinion, and especially during competition. I'm not sure how I feel about non-participants.. getting their votes (and interest) is important, so I don't think telling them it must be 100% or not at all would be such a good plan.
09/02/2015 03:09:33 PM · #17
Originally posted by MikeO:

How can it all be fair and even if different photos get different amounts of votes? I have found this to be unfair for a long time now.
It's either vote on all the images or none at all, ditch the minimum 20% vote, that way every image would get the same amount of votes.


If you do this you would just get a lot fewer, but way more impactful votes. Not sure people would be happy about that either.
09/02/2015 02:54:28 PM · #18
Interesting. Possibly another DPL related thing as well. I know I looked at my teammates images a few times during the challenge but obviously couldn't vote. If not that, than maybe a "thumbnail view" type thing. If the thumbnail is difficult to see well, maybe it gets more views as a larger image?

Originally posted by Mike:

fwiw, take a look at these too images:

6th place with an
average vote of 6.7639

Views: 156 (190 during voting)
Votes: 72

7th place with an
average vote of 6.7237

Views: 107 (156 during voting)
Votes: 76

you can see this trend all over, if the thumbnail views were getting more votes, wouldn't the opposite be true?
09/02/2015 02:34:40 PM · #19
How can it all be fair and even if different photos get different amounts of votes? I have found this to be unfair for a long time now.
It's either vote on all the images or none at all, ditch the minimum 20% vote, that way every image would get the same amount of votes.

09/02/2015 02:10:52 PM · #20
Another potential factor is those who will skip voting on a challenge entry rather than giving it what they consider a "low" vote.

I've read in forums previously where people have flat out stated that they refuse to give anything lower than a '5' and just skip that photo instead.

ETA - Thanks for posting those Paul.

Message edited by author 2015-09-02 14:11:27.
09/02/2015 01:47:48 PM · #21
fwiw, take a look at these too images:

6th place with an
average vote of 6.7639

Views: 156 (190 during voting)
Votes: 72

7th place with an
average vote of 6.7237

Views: 107 (156 during voting)
Votes: 76

you can see this trend all over, if the thumbnail views were getting more votes, wouldn't the opposite be true?
09/02/2015 01:40:48 PM · #22
Are you talking about the "most recent" challenge, the subject of which doesn't exactly inspire "eye candy" images? Anyway, votes by placement for that are

55th - 69 votes

56th - 69

57th - 70

58th - 70

59th - 70

60th - 72

61st - 71

62nd - 68

63rd - 70

64th - 74
09/02/2015 01:38:44 PM · #23
Originally posted by AP:



Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

It's like this, if things work the way they're supposed to then #1 and #2 meet up eventually. If we have to beat you guys in the first round before moving on to the 2nd Tier teams, so be it. :)




um.. "2nd tier" means the "team in the following round". you guys are awful sensitive to claims of wrong doing, i'm just saying, innocents dont react this way :P

ETA - ^^^^^^^^joke^^^^^^^^^^^

Message edited by author 2015-09-02 13:39:05.
09/02/2015 01:36:07 PM · #24
At a glance it appears that some of the top images may have an average of 1 or 2 more votes than those at the bottom ... but it seems like the "middle of the road" images have the fewest but only slightly less than the others.

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Ah man ... ok, when I get home then. :-)

The premise is to see if "better" images are getting more votes, via thumbnail viewing, than otherwise. Just a thought (provoked by earlier conversation in this thread).
09/02/2015 01:33:58 PM · #25
Alright well I've been reading a lot of 'I'm not saying it's cheating BUT there is definitely something going on' type of language, coupled with this 3rd place received less votes and it was the only image not with Glasseye, so forgive me if I smelled something rotten was brewing.

I also remembered this comment you made before which really irked me

Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

It's like this, if things work the way they're supposed to then #1 and #2 meet up eventually. If we have to beat you guys in the first round before moving on to the 2nd Tier teams, so be it. :)


being joked about as a '2nd tier team', so again, just a little chip on my shoulder :)

For the record I don't really see an actionable issue with the vote numbers. I do think it's precisely because people click on the thumbs they like and then don't vote on the entire challenge, and I don't think long term it makes worse images place higher or any other inequitable outcome.

DPC has always had a little eye-candy bias, but hey, it's to be expected with relatively large voting blocks and not a trained panel of judges. I've learned to use DPC as sort of a barometer for what people like, for which it is very useful.

I have to say overall DPL has been incredibly fun and wish the leagues ran all year, as it really got me out there shooting "for fun" again on a regular basis. Not to mention the fun and learning that goes on in team prep.
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