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05/23/2014 06:03:50 PM · #1
Originally posted by mefnj:

let me through out another Minimal Editing question.

rules state:

You may:

rotate your entry by 90, 180 or 270 degrees.

does that preclude a horizontal or vertical flip?

-m

I'm afraid so -- that changes the composition, while the rotation only compensates for how you hold the camera. You could try shooting in a mirror ... :-)
05/23/2014 05:33:46 PM · #2
let me through out another Minimal Editing question.

rules state:

You may:

rotate your entry by 90, 180 or 270 degrees.

does that preclude a horizontal or vertical flip?

-m
05/23/2014 11:20:03 AM · #3
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:


After resizing, and the possible use of basic sharpening, rotation and/or desaturation, right?


Just remember rotation can only be 90, 180 or 270 degrees. Shoot a crooked horizon and your stuck with it.

Also, when you resize it must be done in one step. you can't resize multiple times.

05/23/2014 11:13:43 AM · #4
as it states what is and isn't possible in the basic rules page (click the words basic editing beside the challenge) - anything that happens has to be done uniformly to the entire image, no raw files, no multiple exposures, no unsharp mask or cloning. this is the truest test of someone's ability: what can you do with just your camera and lens, with whatever you have physically around you, to take a blue-ribbon picture?
Image underexposed? Change your camera settings or get another physical light, then reshoot. Overexposed? Do the same thing but in reverse.
something in the way that you don't want in your image? Move; It or yourself, doesn't matter. :)
want a nice star effect on the street light? Buy a filter and put it on the end of your lens.
if you want a raw image to keep for yourself for personal reasons, shoot in raw+jpg, that way you still have the raw file for yourself and you use the jpg for the resize/possible sharp/desat edit and upload here.
05/23/2014 11:13:03 AM · #5
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

After resizing, and the possible use of basic sharpening, rotation and/or desaturation, right?

per the rules, yes. The spirit of the rule is straight out of camera.
05/23/2014 10:55:39 AM · #6
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by charlene9797:

So .... Can we use a RAW file in a minimal editing challenge? I'm still not clear....

Absolutely NOT. Not even to create a JPG from. Your camera has to shoot the JPG and you must enter it exactly as it came from the camera.


After resizing, and the possible use of basic sharpening, rotation and/or desaturation, right?
05/23/2014 10:29:17 AM · #7
Originally posted by charlene9797:

So .... Can we use a RAW file in a minimal editing challenge? I'm still not clear....

Absolutely NOT. Not even to create a JPG from. Your camera has to shoot the JPG and you must enter it exactly as it came from the camera.
05/23/2014 10:28:17 AM · #8
Originally posted by charlene9797:

So .... Can we use a RAW file in a minimal editing challenge? I'm still not clear....


Nope.
05/23/2014 10:26:54 AM · #9
So .... Can we use a RAW file in a minimal editing challenge? I'm still not clear....
05/22/2014 04:23:44 PM · #10
Originally posted by Cory:

He's right. And you can bracket film styles too! :) (three .jpg options are better than one.)

Excellent suggestion, Cory. I had not thought about doing that.
05/22/2014 04:14:14 PM · #11
Originally posted by chazoe:

Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by chazoe:

Cory if you read this you might have the answer since you also use an X100S. Are all the film simulation modes from the Fujifilm X100S legal in minimal?

I am pretty sure the in-camera filters are fine for the Minimal rule set.

You may:
use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera.


That makes sense. Thanks Mark.


He's right. And you can bracket film styles too! :) (three .jpg options are better than one.)
05/22/2014 03:34:36 PM · #12
I'm not sure how the fuji works, but on mine, the filters have to be done after the capture and they create a new jpg. So definitely a no there. But if applied before you take the shot I would think they'd be ok.
05/22/2014 11:45:37 AM · #13
Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by chazoe:

Cory if you read this you might have the answer since you also use an X100S. Are all the film simulation modes from the Fujifilm X100S legal in minimal?

I am pretty sure the in-camera filters are fine for the Minimal rule set.

You may:
use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera.


That makes sense. Thanks Mark.
05/22/2014 11:11:02 AM · #14
Originally posted by chazoe:

Cory if you read this you might have the answer since you also use an X100S. Are all the film simulation modes from the Fujifilm X100S legal in minimal?

I am pretty sure the in-camera filters are fine for the Minimal rule set.

You may:
use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera.
05/22/2014 11:02:27 AM · #15
Cory if you read this you might have the answer since you also use an X100S. Are all the film simulation modes from the Fujifilm X100S legal in minimal?
05/22/2014 09:03:14 AM · #16
Originally posted by Kroburg:

I'm quite sure that's not allowed. Have seen too many people calling out: 'Oh no, it's minimal and I shot in RAW'. No need to say that when it's possible to extract JPG out of RAW.


That's the exact situation where this option (if it is declared legal) may save the day.

05/22/2014 09:01:49 AM · #17
Originally posted by GeneralE:


It's not the same thing because every RAW converter allows substantial adjustments (White Balance, etc.) to be made during the conversion. The JPEG "straight out of the camera" requires all such settings be made before the shutter is pressed.


I'm not talking about any RAW conversion. There is a JPG image embedded in most of the RAW file formats i know. Sometimes even multiple JPGs in different resolutions (Nikon NEF has two). exiftool extracts it without any processing. I am yet to test what happens with the EXIF data in the extracted JPG.

Originally posted by nygold:


Not sure about other camera's but I shoot RAW & JPG simultaneously, do most camera's have this function?


It's an option that i use rarely. Most of the times i have used it was for minimal editing challenges. In any other case its a waste of card and disk space for me.
05/22/2014 08:59:39 AM · #18
As I was thinking about this yesterday I put my Nikon in RAW+JPEG mode and will just send JPEG's to the second card, regardless if I'm shooting for a challenge or not. It's easy enough to delete everything from the card if I've shot nothing for the challenge, and this way I'm covered, and still have a RAW file if it's worth doing additional edits for myself.

Of course if you don't have 2 card slots you can't do that.
05/22/2014 08:23:04 AM · #19
Originally posted by nygold:

Not sure about other camera's but I shoot RAW & JPG simultaneously, do most camera's have this function?


My Nikon has that option

My challenges I just changed it to JPG fine only. Kept RAW out of it
05/22/2014 07:55:47 AM · #20
Originally posted by nygold:

Not sure about other camera's but I shoot RAW & JPG simultaneously, do most camera's have this function?

They do if they can shoot RAW at all (mine doesn't, for example).
05/22/2014 07:48:41 AM · #21
Not sure about other camera's but I shoot RAW & JPG simultaneously, do most camera's have this function?
05/22/2014 07:43:49 AM · #22
Originally posted by damjanev:

I'm gonna hijack the thread with an unrelated minimal editing question.
"You may not use a RAW original or RAW conversion software. You may shoot in RAW+JPG mode, provided you use the JPG original to create your entry." ensures that the submission is straight from the camera, in the spirit of the original intention of the challenge. Is extracting the embedded JPG from the original RAW file (using exiftool, for example) essentially the same thing?

It's not the same thing because every RAW converter allows substantial adjustments (White Balance, etc.) to be made during the conversion. The JPEG "straight out of the camera" requires all such settings be made before the shutter is pressed.
05/22/2014 07:40:27 AM · #23
I'm quite sure that's not allowed. Have seen too many people calling out: 'Oh no, it's minimal and I shot in RAW'. No need to say that when it's possible to extract JPG out of RAW.
05/22/2014 07:25:13 AM · #24
I'm gonna hijack the thread with an unrelated minimal editing question.
"You may not use a RAW original or RAW conversion software. You may shoot in RAW+JPG mode, provided you use the JPG original to create your entry." ensures that the submission is straight from the camera, in the spirit of the original intention of the challenge. Is extracting the embedded JPG from the original RAW file (using exiftool, for example) essentially the same thing?

We've all been in a situation where we realize that the challenge was minimal editing too late and all the images are RAW only.

05/22/2014 06:01:06 AM · #25
That's what I figured - thanks.
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