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11/20/2013 11:32:25 PM · #1
incredible incredible talent all of them , just because the camera was invented doesn't mean you shouldn't appreciate this style of art, the history of technological advances has laid waste to many things but this kind of talent is not among them

recorded music didn't kill live performances, nor did movies kill plays, texting replace talking oh wait yeah it did

or call of duty put an end to war
11/20/2013 11:21:07 PM · #2
Originally posted by GeneralE:

High school art class? Surely you jest ... :-(


the very fact that I had one must date me. sigh
11/20/2013 11:14:09 PM · #3
High school art class? Surely you jest ... :-(
11/20/2013 10:56:58 PM · #4
Every time I see one of these links I have to guess that everyone missed that day in high school art class when photo-realism was discussed... (and for me that was the 80's)
11/20/2013 10:14:27 PM · #5
Well, as I note in this thread, you can download and process all kinds of space-acquired data at the Earth Explorer site ...

Screen-shot of work in progress 100% crop sans sharpening

Message edited by author 2013-11-20 22:15:30.
11/20/2013 07:44:22 PM · #6
Originally posted by Artifacts:


Any photographer worth their salt has their own spacecraft to photograph space weather.

I own the Solar Dynamics Observatory and the old SOHO spacecraft.

What do you other folks use?


I have my own Imperial Star Destroyer…I got it for a song after the second Death Star debacle. The Empire was liqudating assets left and right to cover the expenses on that one. Came complete with crew, battalion of stormtroopers and a squadron of TIE fighters.

Aside from interstellar travel, it also comes in handy when pesky rent-a-cops try to tell me I can't take pictures of this or that…

Isn't she a beauty?

11/20/2013 06:09:04 PM · #7
Less serious photographers are usually to cheap to spring for it... but if you can pick up a little spacecraft at your local camera store I recommend doing so.

For example, I snatched up the Solar Dynamics Observatory for a song and have been trying it out for photography without a camera stuff!

It has been a good little addition to my equipment list, too.

Just a couple weeks ago there was a cool X3 solar flare... I was quick enough to reposition the spacecraft to catch the action:
X3 Solar Flare (AIA) at 304 angstroms - 11/6/2013

With everyone excited about Comet ISON coming, here is a rather unusual view of a comet and many giant solar flares that I took:
Largest Solar Flare Ever/Comet Transit of the Sun - 11/5/2003

Ya gotta admit... you don't see that view of a comet very often, huh?

Here are a couple other little spur-of-the-moment thingies I managed to capture...
The Great Flare of August 31, 2012
Great Flare of 6/7/2011 showing Earth Scale
Two X-Flare Day on Sun - 10/25/2013

Any photographer worth their salt has their own spacecraft to photograph space weather.

I own the Solar Dynamics Observatory and the old SOHO spacecraft.

What do you other folks use?
11/20/2013 03:58:39 PM · #8
Originally posted by mariuca:


When I looked at the Christine W drawing of an eye, I noticed how beautiful the intermediate phases were. But she needed to show all her virtuosity, the vibrato, the tremolo, the bravura ... couldn't make just a drawing; she lacks the gift that takes the skill beyond reality.


To say Christine W lacks anything that she does not display in a single example of her work is assuming quite a bit.

One of my favorite shows in a few years was Gerhard Richter's 40 years show. In it we saw the sweep of a master as he went from style to style and kept the central kernel of his artistic vision. In hanging works of different types, but the same sense of color and mood next to each other created wonderful frission, as the eye bounced back between photo-realism and abstracts of paint raked across aluminum, and you were allowed to see a guiding theme.

While I am a realist in my own work and greatly admire Richter's realism, it is his dragged oils that stun me. To claim that one style is a greater display of skill or talent over another, is to fail to understand the intent of the artist.
11/20/2013 02:55:55 PM · #9
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Roman Photography?


Cool!
11/20/2013 02:09:16 PM · #10
Roman Photography?
11/20/2013 12:58:15 PM · #11
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Spork99:

I'd be willing to bet that most (or all) of those painters used a camera to create one or more photographs which they then painted. So they still need the camera, what they're really doing is replacing the printer.

Of course! And that's been true, to some extent, all the way back to the time of Vermeer, at least.


Hockney-Falco Thesis
11/20/2013 12:22:58 PM · #12
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Spork99:

I'd be willing to bet that most (or all) of those painters used a camera to create one or more photographs which they then painted. So they still need the camera, what they're really doing is replacing the printer.

Of course! And that's been true, to some extent, all the way back to the time of Vermeer, at least.


Exactly. You need a photograph to paint them. A camera is an absolute need. And a photographer's eye. Lee Price is quite a great photographer taking a special delight in painting. There is the intense pleasure when painting, very much like cooking, that taking pictures with a the camera does not give you. If we look at the great food pics that Art Roflmao did, we realize that someone can use them for paintings. A lot of them have a wonderful painterly quality.
When I looked at the Christine W drawing of an eye, I noticed how beautiful the intermediate phases were. But she needed to show all her virtuosity, the vibrato, the tremolo, the bravura ... couldn't make just a drawing; she lacks the gift that takes the skill beyond reality.
11/20/2013 11:51:44 AM · #13
and some spend time desperately trying to make the photograph seem like a painting, so that others will be impressed after asking, "that's a photograph?"
11/20/2013 11:01:04 AM · #14
Originally posted by Spork99:

I'd be willing to bet that most (or all) of those painters used a camera to create one or more photographs which they then painted. So they still need the camera, what they're really doing is replacing the printer.

Of course! And that's been true, to some extent, all the way back to the time of Vermeer, at least.
11/20/2013 10:35:18 AM · #15
I'd be willing to bet that most (or all) of those painters used a camera to create one or more photographs which they then painted. So they still need the camera, what they're really doing is replacing the printer.
11/20/2013 10:14:54 AM · #16
Originally posted by Cuttooth:

those are really nice.

two other photorealists i really like...robert bechtle and ralph goings.


That Ralph is something else!
11/20/2013 06:56:50 AM · #17
those are really nice.

two other photorealists i really like...robert bechtle and ralph goings.
11/20/2013 06:31:03 AM · #18
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Not to say I don't appreciate photo-realism, but if I could paint, I'd want to paint stuff that doesn't exist outside of my mind. ...

So no real change then? ;)
11/20/2013 04:02:31 AM · #19
thanks
11/20/2013 01:26:49 AM · #20
Originally posted by tanguera:

I just find it extraordinary that people can paint by hand what we do by pushing a button.

It's not like it doesn't take talent. I push the button with a pinky in the air.
11/20/2013 01:14:57 AM · #21
I just find it extraordinary that people can paint by hand what we do by pushing a button.
11/20/2013 12:22:17 AM · #22
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Not to say I don't appreciate photo-realism, but if I could paint, I'd want to paint stuff that doesn't exist outside of my mind. To each his own, though.

Certainly those lifelike sculptures are impressive. ...at least until we all have 3D printers that can reproduce them. ;-)


Just because you can do photo-realistic pieces doesn't mean you are confined to scenes already seen. Obviously, this isn't to say that isn't predominantly true, but you can certainly make a hyper-realist portrayal of something not seen, not known.
11/20/2013 12:03:52 AM · #23
Awesome! So we (or me) Strive to make my photo's look painterly, and those artists make their paints look like photos... OH the madness of it all!.....

Move over Norman, there's a new illustrator in town!
11/19/2013 10:40:48 PM · #24
Get the frock out of town!!! Seriously? I wish my camera could product images this realistic and sharp. They are all off the hook. I especially liked Thomas Arvid.
11/19/2013 10:17:43 PM · #25
Sad. I know a portrait painter who paints the flash shadow in what she copies. I really don't get it.
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