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02/12/2013 09:36:09 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by CJinCA:
Originally posted by Venser:
[quote=MNet] My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
Placement matters, scores are only used to line them up. So if you win with a 6.xxxx or a 7.xxxx, the end result is the same. You still win. That's why scores don't matter. |
We've gone round and round on this. :-/ For [b]me, since I'll probably never win a ribbon, if I'm not in the top 5, (which I'll probably never crack either) the score means much more to me than placement. [/b]
I thought this thread was over, but anyway I'm sure your day will come, keep entering challenges, you have some awesome pic's in your portfolio ;-)
Message edited by author 2013-02-12 21:36:35. |
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02/12/2013 09:33:27 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MNet:
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
Placement matters, scores are only used to line them up. So if you win with a 6.xxxx or a 7.xxxx, the end result is the same. You still win. That's why scores don't matter. |
How many ribbons did you get with a 4+ score?
PS You are being pedantic. |
Play nice. I don't want to be the playground monitor. (ie. you're goading him, and it is going to land you in trouble) |
Reviving a 5-day old thread??
On purpose? |
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02/12/2013 09:31:55 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MNet:
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
Placement matters, scores are only used to line them up. So if you win with a 6.xxxx or a 7.xxxx, the end result is the same. You still win. That's why scores don't matter. |
How many ribbons did you get with a 4+ score?
PS You are being pedantic. |
Play nice. I don't want to be the playground monitor. (ie. you're goading him, and it is going to land you in trouble) |
well, they have been playing nice for five days... |
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02/12/2013 08:58:31 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MNet:
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
Placement matters, scores are only used to line them up. So if you win with a 6.xxxx or a 7.xxxx, the end result is the same. You still win. That's why scores don't matter. |
We've gone round and round on this. :-/ For me, since I'll probably never win a ribbon, if I'm not in the top 5, (which I'll probably never crack either) the score means much more to me than placement. I always strive to at least beat my avg. Some members don't care about their score but I, and many others, are trying to improve our averages as that is a small indication to us that our images have some kind of appeal to the DPC members and maybe even the general public. Although I've won Best of Show a few times with images in competitions that have not scored very well here, I, and probably others, wish to see 6+ scores on our images if possible.... at least it seems that way from those that post in the "Scores" threads. :-) So saying scores "don't matter" is not true for many of us, and that is why we will always see threads asking why something didn't score higher and why we moan and groan in the scores threads. :-) |
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02/12/2013 07:04:58 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MNet:
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
Placement matters, scores are only used to line them up. So if you win with a 6.xxxx or a 7.xxxx, the end result is the same. You still win. That's why scores don't matter. |
How many ribbons did you get with a 4+ score?
PS You are being pedantic. |
Play nice. I don't want to be the playground monitor. (ie. you're goading him, and it is going to land you in trouble) |
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02/07/2013 08:35:08 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by rooum:
I honestly have never been that interested in the scores or the placements. I enter because i enjoy having new challenges and things to do with my photography each week and i enjoy seeing what other people come up with when faced with the same subject. Getting comments is good particularly when they are from people who are fantastic at commenting and engaging with an image (just got a wonderful one from K10Guy on one entry). I've got my favourite photographers and people here and i enjoy seeing their photographs and reading their opinions and advice. |
well said, i think the longer you hang around here the more you gravitate to this this mindset.
Message edited by author 2013-02-07 08:36:05. |
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02/07/2013 08:09:11 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by MNet:
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
There is no disagreeing with the fact that higher placing images get more comments... the quality of the comments as a learning tool is however a totally different matter.
... and no I have never won a ribbon either.
Ray
Message edited by author 2013-02-07 08:40:26. |
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02/07/2013 07:07:21 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by MNet:
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
I honestly have never been that interested in the scores or the placements. I enter because i enjoy having new challenges and things to do with my photography each week and i enjoy seeing what other people come up with when faced with the same subject. Getting comments is good particularly when they are from people who are fantastic at commenting and engaging with an image (just got a wonderful one from K10Guy on one entry). I've got my favourite photographers and people here and i enjoy seeing their photographs and reading their opinions and advice. |
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02/07/2013 05:49:25 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by GAP2012:
Take your photo the way you like it, process it how you want it, and like it for your sake not because any one individual in DPC does or even a concensus likes, everyone is both right and wrong here, for every comment made here there is a counter point and comment that can be made to invalidate the rules people stick to and what constitutes a good photo... and some will always think theres is only one way to process etc a photo because it fits their ideals. Just something to give you to think on.. and reject as necessary lol what works on DPC maybe considered rubbish elsewhere and vica versa, DPC is just one site and members here are not the finite source of what is photography, look wider a field and do it for you! :O) |
My dog said it right :-) |
Woof Woof |
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02/07/2013 01:30:52 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by MNet:
How many ribbons did you get with a 4+ score? |
None, but doesn't mean it couldn't happen.
Originally posted by MNet:
PS You are being pedantic. |
No more than your obtuseness about scores mattering other than placement in a challenge.
Message edited by author 2013-02-07 01:31:35. |
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02/07/2013 01:16:02 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by GAP2012:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by GAP2012:
DPC is just one site and members here are not the finite source of what is photography, look wider a field and do it for you! :O) |
She wanted to get 6+ score here at DPC. That was the question. |
She wanted feedback from the two low scorers if i read the question but then somehow the thread changed anyway, so i thought i'd just throw a coind in the well lolal.. this wasnt targeted at Neat or anyone specifically just a general thought on things that have been commented... all good :O) |
Sorry, I forgot what the original thread was!  Melethia has muddied it up!
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
Winning is a bonus, participating should be fun not the be all and end all of doing them, competing against yourself and not others is your goal for yourself to improve your own photos and go in the direction you want to, i dont understand mentality that tells you that your photo is not a winner because you didnt stick to the thirds rule or you shouldve processed it this way or that etc... because all your doing is what is good for DPC voters to get high score votes, some dont but ultimately people believe the only way to photograph or post process is one way, thats just not true, ok sure it might not get you a blue ribbon, might not be seen as a good photo here but its unhelpful to people who want to take photos in a style that is not acceptable as blue ribbon here and then you stagnate as a photographer.
just my thoughts on that, i dont expect others to agree either lolal just answering your reason for entering challenges. modern society is taught the only way you can be a winner or accepted or the best is to be rewarded with 1st place or by money or some other accolade to be of worth at anything, total rubbish! urban myth perpetuated by eltism and people who want to look down on others! its a challenge to yourself thats important not your worth as anything! |
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02/07/2013 01:12:53 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MNet:
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
Placement matters, scores are only used to line them up. So if you win with a 6.xxxx or a 7.xxxx, the end result is the same. You still win. That's why scores don't matter. |
How many ribbons did you get with a 4+ score?
PS You are being pedantic.
Message edited by author 2013-02-07 01:13:43. |
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02/07/2013 01:05:04 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MNet:
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
Placement matters, scores are only used to line them up. So if you win with a 6.xxxx or a 7.xxxx, the end result is the same. You still win. That's why scores don't matter. |
Oh my dog! Really? And all this time.... I knew I was doing something wrong.
And muddying the waters, well at least doing a long exposure to figuratively muddy the water, was what I will do next time on my seascape. :-)
(Just having a little fun.) |
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02/07/2013 01:02:25 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by MNet:
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
Placement matters, scores are only used to line them up. So if you win with a 6.xxxx or a 7.xxxx, the end result is the same. You still win. That's why scores don't matter. |
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02/07/2013 12:58:54 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by GAP2012:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by GAP2012:
Take your photo the way you like it, process it how you want it, and like it for your sake not because any one individual in DPC does or even a concensus likes, everyone is both right and wrong here, for every comment made here there is a counter point and comment that can be made to invalidate the rules people stick to and what constitutes a good photo... and some will always think theres is only one way to process etc a photo because it fits their ideals. Just something to give you to think on.. and reject as necessary lol what works on DPC maybe considered rubbish elsewhere and vica versa, DPC is just one site and members here are not the finite source of what is photography, look wider a field and do it for you! :O) |
She wanted to get 6+ score here at DPC. That was the question. |
She wanted feedback from the two low scorers if i read the question but then somehow the thread changed anyway, so i thought i'd just throw a coind in the well lolal.. this wasnt targeted at Neat or anyone specifically just a general thought on things that have been commented... all good :O) |
Sorry, I forgot what the original thread was! Melethia has muddied it up!
My view - if scores don't matter why enter any challenges here at all? I'll never understand that. Just for comments? Higher scores usually attract higher number of comments. |
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02/07/2013 12:50:22 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by MNet:
She wanted to get 6+ score here at DPC. That was the question. |
My membership expires in three weeks, people who want inflated scores rejoice! |
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02/07/2013 12:44:33 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by GAP2012:
Take your photo the way you like it, process it how you want it, and like it for your sake not because any one individual in DPC does or even a concensus likes, everyone is both right and wrong here, for every comment made here there is a counter point and comment that can be made to invalidate the rules people stick to and what constitutes a good photo... and some will always think theres is only one way to process etc a photo because it fits their ideals. Just something to give you to think on.. and reject as necessary lol what works on DPC maybe considered rubbish elsewhere and vica versa, DPC is just one site and members here are not the finite source of what is photography, look wider a field and do it for you! :O) |
She wanted to get 6+ score here at DPC. That was the question. |
She wanted feedback from the two low scorers if i read the question but then somehow the thread changed anyway, so i thought i'd just throw a coind in the well lolal.. this wasnt targeted at Neat or anyone specifically just a general thought on things that have been commented... all good :O) |
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02/07/2013 12:43:17 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by GAP2012:
Take your photo the way you like it, process it how you want it, and like it for your sake not because any one individual in DPC does or even a concensus likes, everyone is both right and wrong here, for every comment made here there is a counter point and comment that can be made to invalidate the rules people stick to and what constitutes a good photo... and some will always think theres is only one way to process etc a photo because it fits their ideals. Just something to give you to think on.. and reject as necessary lol what works on DPC maybe considered rubbish elsewhere and vica versa, DPC is just one site and members here are not the finite source of what is photography, look wider a field and do it for you! :O) |
My dog said it right :-) |
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02/07/2013 12:41:35 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by GAP2012:
Take your photo the way you like it, process it how you want it, and like it for your sake not because any one individual in DPC does or even a concensus likes, everyone is both right and wrong here, for every comment made here there is a counter point and comment that can be made to invalidate the rules people stick to and what constitutes a good photo... and some will always think theres is only one way to process etc a photo because it fits their ideals. Just something to give you to think on.. and reject as necessary lol what works on DPC maybe considered rubbish elsewhere and vica versa, DPC is just one site and members here are not the finite source of what is photography, look wider a field and do it for you! :O) |
She wanted to get 6+ score here at DPC. That was the question. |
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02/07/2013 12:35:09 AM · #20 |
| Take your photo the way you like it, process it how you want it, and like it for your sake not because any one individual in DPC does or even a concensus likes, everyone is both right and wrong here, for every comment made here there is a counter point and comment that can be made to invalidate the rules people stick to and what constitutes a good photo... and some will always think theres is only one way to process etc a photo because it fits their ideals. Just something to give you to think on.. and reject as necessary lol what works on DPC maybe considered rubbish elsewhere and vica versa, DPC is just one site and members here are not the finite source of what is photography, look wider a field and do it for you! :O) |
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02/07/2013 12:33:46 AM · #21 |
I do find it hard to go far enough, I guess. I *thought* I'd tweaked it quite a bit! I'll work at getting more, um, daring? Obnoxious? :-) One of these days I will get a seascape right, I promise!
LOL at  bohemka!! :-) |
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02/07/2013 12:15:57 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I tried the Nik HDR Efex 2 trial for this - it gets rid of ghosted people pretty well, which to me is almost a flaw. I like the ghosted people. |
You can set the level of deghosting you want during the processing: it's one of the advantages of HDR Efex Pro. Also the fact that you can use the control point technology to REMOVE structure from the water WITHOUT masking, it's not hard at all. |
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02/06/2013 11:21:56 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by MNet:
I gave it a 6. Neither the composition nor PP had focus to me. If it is a sunset I'd look at more color and emphasis on the light. Something like that:
(I hope you don't mind messing around with your image) |
A common problem here is we go back and look at a shot and then we seem to get "bogged down" in the details of what works or does not. Most of which isn't important during voting.
MNet had the right idea here though.
The issue I see as in the eyes the general voting populace is that there is too much expanse with not the right kind of details in that expanse (too busy).
The photo would have scored better with a much tighter crop (like MNet's example) or if the expanse (negative space) was clean--like something you would achieve with a long exposure (30 seconds or more).
Personally, I'm not a fan of huge negative space, but the voters love it.
It doesn't mean it wasn't a good photo, just not the type most of the voters would rate 6+ with.
Hope that helps.
Message edited by author 2013-02-06 23:46:54. |
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02/06/2013 10:22:19 PM · #24 |
| Those were some pretty slick diversionary thread replies ;-) |
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02/06/2013 10:03:05 PM · #25 |
I gave it a 6. Neither the composition nor PP had focus to me. If it is a sunset I'd look at more color and emphasis on the light. Something like that:
(I hope you don't mind messing around with your image)
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