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01/30/2013 08:43:33 PM · #1
Originally posted by Neat:

Originally posted by Marc923:

I don't see how you think this was voted down. 5.9x is a good score. It outscored a lot of shots with "in your face" signs.


Ummmm he had 6 one's if that's not voted down what is!!!!


6 votes out of 139 is not being voted down. It's 4% of the votes he got.
01/30/2013 08:21:48 PM · #2
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edit - When the pants come off, look the f@%* out. [/quote]

Trailer Park boys are my favorite. And I am not remotely canadian. That bubbles just kills me.

Message edited by frisca - language.
01/30/2013 07:50:51 PM · #3
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by nygold:

I made the mistake once of low voting an image I thought DNMC after the challenge was over I realised
my mistake and wrote an apology message in the comments.
I felt bad that thier score was affected due to me not being able to think out of the box a bit.
I'm trying NOT to make the same mistake again.
I never feel bad. My time is limited, and as Ann pointed out DPC is a game. If you expect voters to figure out how or where your entry meets the challenge, and they don't want to spend that time, it's not their fault. It's yours as the photographer.


Most of the time I feel the same way but this time that image was more clever than me.
I wish I knew how to link the image.

Message edited by author 2013-01-30 19:57:26.
01/30/2013 07:33:16 PM · #4
giles i get you man i like your image a lot but i think you definitely got some dnmc votes. may it be speed voting or americans not used to this kind of sign... who knows that's the way it goes. as an image in itself it's really quite nice. I recently submitted a risky image to the left foot challenge knowing full well the foot was hard to find and that many would not even believe it was mine



but after voting, I looked at my score and then looked at the image, and i noticed it wasn't dnmc! it was just a crappy, too clever, image.
that's why i like this site: you get your score after a week thinking you're great and realize that you're not. maybe that's too out there but it's late and i'm going to bed soon.
01/30/2013 07:30:59 PM · #5
I scored this image an 8.

Having said this, that score was meted out after my third pass as I too had difficulties in finding the road signs at first. The points raised by dtremain in this regard are very valid in that the quality of the image was in itself a cause of distraction.

Great image.

Ray

01/30/2013 07:29:05 PM · #6
Originally posted by smardaz:

maybe you should look at it on a non-mac monitor, for the benefit of us uneducated heathens that use win based pc's.

seriously tho, you gotta admit that black and white signs against a b/g of black and white snow/rocks is problematic at best


Naw -- it's black and white signs in a land of yellow and white signs that's a problem. I mean seriously -- what do you expect from someone from the land of humped zebra crossings?? :)
01/30/2013 07:27:37 PM · #7
maybe you should look at it on a non-mac monitor, for the benefit of us uneducated heathens that use win based pc's.

seriously tho, you gotta admit that black and white signs against a b/g of black and white snow/rocks is problematic at best
01/30/2013 07:22:34 PM · #8
heres the points ive taken, some voters have either really bad monitors or really bad eye sight!

under every picture in voting,there is a scale from white to black through the greys you should be able to see every separate block in that scale

and screw you too smardaz with your immaculately shaved white chest ;)

ive looked at it on (yes all macs so good screens, 15" 17" macbook pros, iPad, iphone and 27" imac at 800px and it find it very hard to believe they are so hard to see, even tested it with my 4yr old whos never seen the image before and he spotted them at 800px

heres a bigger version for those who still dopnt believe haha


IMG_9995_HDR by gilesbert, on Flickr

Message edited by author 2013-01-30 19:24:49.
01/30/2013 07:17:55 PM · #9
Originally posted by smardaz:

So here's the two points I take away from this thread:

1. Screw you Giles! We'll vote how we want!

2. h2 and Venser have a secret crush on each other.


LOLOLOL!!!!!
01/30/2013 07:10:50 PM · #10
So here's the two points I take away from this thread:

1. Screw you Giles! We'll vote how we want!

2. h2 and Venser have a secret crush on each other.
01/30/2013 06:29:55 PM · #11
I looked at it for a very long time before I saw them.

So... I agree, you met the challenge description, but... (and I didn't vote) in my opinion, the signs should at least be quite visible even to the speed voters.

01/30/2013 06:29:10 PM · #12
Originally posted by pgirish007:

I didn't see the arrows until this morning when I looked at it again but after zooming to the extend where I didn't see the sun directly and then I was able to see the arrows.


Ok, I think the image deserved the score it got (no need to have a road sign in the foreground, but Giles, this was like a where's Waldo game) but the road signs are visible with no need of zooming in. If you didn't see them probably your screen is too dark.
01/30/2013 06:20:17 PM · #13
Originally posted by dtremain:

No. This is an excellent example of leading the eye, and were I teaching, I would use it as an example for my students. The bright sun draws the eye immediately to it, and then, even when you look around, you look around a distance away from the sun. Plus, the black & white blends almost perfectly with the rock and snow, so the signs are not a distraction (obviously). Besides that, in the U.S., chevrons like these are typically yellow background with a black chevron, and since most of the voters are in the U.S., this color combination was not immediately recognized.

I know I have bad eyesight, between old age and needing a new pair of glasses, but even with your description, it took me a bit to spot them.

The shot may have got pasted in voting, but that was primarily because its qualities, in effect, "hid" the signs in the voters' minds, leading to dnmc votes.

This is a great image - definitely one you should be proud of. And, again, it should be used in every photography course as an excellent example of leading the eye.


good point! I also said this DNMC and reason was exactly same where after seeing the entire image I didn't see the arrows until this morning when I looked at it again but after zooming to the extend where I didn't see the sun directly and then I was able to see the arrows.
01/30/2013 05:09:09 PM · #14
No. This is an excellent example of leading the eye, and were I teaching, I would use it as an example for my students. The bright sun draws the eye immediately to it, and then, even when you look around, you look around a distance away from the sun. Plus, the black & white blends almost perfectly with the rock and snow, so the signs are not a distraction (obviously). Besides that, in the U.S., chevrons like these are typically yellow background with a black chevron, and since most of the voters are in the U.S., this color combination was not immediately recognized.

I know I have bad eyesight, between old age and needing a new pair of glasses, but even with your description, it took me a bit to spot them.

The shot may have got pasted in voting, but that was primarily because its qualities, in effect, "hid" the signs in the voters' minds, leading to dnmc votes.

This is a great image - definitely one you should be proud of. And, again, it should be used in every photography course as an excellent example of leading the eye.
01/30/2013 02:42:09 PM · #15
Originally posted by Venser:

I never feel bad. My time is limited, and as Ann pointed out DPC is a game. If you expect voters to figure out how or where your entry meets the challenge, and they don't want to spend that time, it's not their fault. It's yours as the photographer.


completely agree, its my job to make you stop and look and look at my image. if it doesn't grab you interest immediately, i failed.

01/30/2013 02:09:07 PM · #16
Originally posted by nygold:

I made the mistake once of low voting an image I thought DNMC after the challenge was over I realised
my mistake and wrote an apology message in the comments.
I felt bad that thier score was affected due to me not being able to think out of the box a bit.
I'm trying NOT to make the same mistake again.
I never feel bad. My time is limited, and as Ann pointed out DPC is a game. If you expect voters to figure out how or where your entry meets the challenge, and they don't want to spend that time, it's not their fault. It's yours as the photographer.
01/30/2013 01:57:06 PM · #17
I made the mistake once of low voting an image I thought DNMC after the challenge was over I realised
my mistake and wrote an apology message in the comments.
I felt bad that thier score was affected due to me not being able to think out of the box a bit.
I'm trying NOT to make the same mistake again.
01/30/2013 01:56:04 PM · #18
I know you all are having more fun arguing with each other about etiquette than discussing Giles' original topic, but about that original topic...I finally found the signs after looking at the image 4 different times, *after* reading this thread. I thought I was really and truly going blind. It was like playing a perverse form of Where's Waldo.

So I think people can be excused for not noticing them when voting.

DPC is a game. Part of winning the game is in producing a good image, and part is in how you meet the challenge. A solid, competent image that meets the challenge in an interesting way can win (see scalvert). A stunning image that is a shoehorn or doesn't meet the challenge at all will still score okay, but it usually doesn't win.

It felt to me that this particular image was trying to meet the letter of the challenge by sneaking some signs into the background, but it didn't meet the spirit of the challenge. If I had voted on this challenge I would have given it a 6 or so for being a great image (maybe a 7, since I grade on a curve), but it wouldn't have been one of my top picks.
01/30/2013 01:53:05 PM · #19
Originally posted by rcollier:

I found the signs hard to see as well, but that is why I made sure to look carefully before casting a vote.

As did I.......honestly, as hard as they were to see, I'm surprised it placed as well as it did. The title didn't drive it, and as Wendy pointed out, many of us look for different things in road signs in other countries. I'm not quite so sure why the OP is bent out of shape. It's a nice image, but since it was a themed challenge, and the signs were hard to see, I wouldn't have voted it very high. I still don't see the sixth sign....
Originally posted by rcollier:

Fact is, most of the best images in this challenge were those with subtle sign placements. They made for much more interesting photos than pictures that focused on the actual signs (for the most part).

The ones that worked for me were the ones that told a story. Mine was truly lame.......just a clever sign, no back story. It got properly pummeled. It is what it is....
01/30/2013 01:51:56 PM · #20
Admittedly I expected this post after seeing this image in voting. My first reaction was to give it a DNMC vote in challenge voting but I was able to see the chevron signs after a few seconds.

They were a little hard to see as the were mixed in with the rocks and snow.

But as you said, the challenge called for their presence not the signs dominating the image.

I'd say due to speed voting you likely missed out on a top 5 finish.

01/30/2013 01:32:54 PM · #21
Originally posted by daisydavid:

So we need some voter speed humps.


For me, considering a DNMC is always a speed hump.

Really, I don't have a problem with someone speed voting, but if you are going to downgrade a vote for a DNMC, you should certainly take a careful look to make sure you are not missing something. I found the signs hard to see as well, but that is why I made sure to look carefully before casting a vote. Fact is, most of the best images in this challenge were those with subtle sign placements. They made for much more interesting photos than pictures that focused on the actual signs (for the most part).
01/30/2013 01:26:47 PM · #22
Originally posted by Giles_uk:

The 6th place image is not a road sign but a river sign, yeah I liked it and gave it a 7.


So you gave a 7 to a photo that didn't meet the challenge? That's no different to somebody DNMCing a valid photo.
01/30/2013 12:51:24 PM · #23
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by h2:

Forgot to say: I would be interested in the software you're using to track your username in forum posts - or did you just think this discussion was about you when you saw the title?
I just look for comments by members like yourself, hahn23, and a couple others and figure there's a 50/50 chance my name is mentioned. It's cool you people have an infatuation with me. I'd hate to see how far it goes when I start entering topless self-portraits.


Boy, you simply don't get it. Seems I don't just have more understanding of photography but also am intellectually superior to you.

BTW, I place value in the statement that Richard is not of my kind, he has differing motifs.

Edited for typo.

Message edited by author 2013-01-30 12:55:44.
01/30/2013 10:13:39 AM · #24
Originally posted by Venser:



edit - I was going to let my membership expire in a month and walk quietly into the sunset. Comments like that are going to force me to re-up and stick around for another year.


That's really good news,thank you.
01/30/2013 09:16:51 AM · #25
Originally posted by Neat:

I personally think he got ripped off, but mind you so did this one as well by Penny talk about a master of ingenuity!!! 6.17 quite shocked at how low it was, I was sure it would ribbon as soon as I saw it!


I think this was just a low scoring challenge. And with some of the conversation in here, we can probably expect some more low scoring.
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