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07/24/2002 11:15:33 PM · #1

Pro noblem. I wasn't real clear in establishing that I wasn't offering the "solution" just an observation.

Digipixer

Canon Power Shot SX10 IS

07/24/2002 11:12:14 PM · #2

Now---Word??

Ricky

Olympus D-360L

07/24/2002 11:06:24 PM · #3

My bad, I misunderstood you. You are right, that's why people get emotional over matters like these.

07/24/2002 11:00:23 PM · #4

I wasn't saying is was RIGHT. Nor was I saying that other people in other countries (I am going to stop saying other countries, because as I pointed out, sort of, in another post, what media/government/masses believe/say/do, do not always reflect individual beliefs) didn't have a RIGHT to say what they want. I was simply offering a reason (if perhaps and illogical one) to WHY we react the way we do in such discussions.

Ricky

Olympus D-360L

07/24/2002 10:51:40 PM · #5

When America does something that affects the rest of the world, I think the rest of the world has the right to speak out. Now, if you were poking your sister's friend, wouldn't it be her right to say something about it?

Originally posted by karmat:

As an American, I can say what I want about my government/politics/country, but unless you live here, you can't.

I know that's immature and short-sighted, but I think that's why we get so emotional over it.

there: the last

WORD!

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/24/2002 10:24:06 PM · #6

I don't drink -- i'm weird enough as it is (among other reasons!) In the south, at the buckle of the Bible Belt, I'm called a "tee-totaler." Yikes, I just brought religion into a heated discussion (or formerly heated) of patriotism and politics. Told ya I'm weird.

Thought of an analogy today (my one thought of the day, hokie). When I was little my older sister tormented me every day of my life. It was a regular practice. She was good at it. I took it. Then, one day, one of her friends joined in. The friend was promptly told to leave, and never to speak to me like that again (grin). Lesson? My sister could say or do anything to me, but let some one else, and there would be a price to pay.

As an American, I can say what I want about my government/politics/country, but unless you live here, you can't.

I know that's immature and short-sighted, but I think that's why we get so emotional over it.

there: the last

WORD!

Ronin

Sony DSC-S85

07/24/2002 08:00:56 PM · #7

damn now i want a beer.. thanks allot ;-)

Digipixer

Canon Power Shot SX10 IS

07/24/2002 07:53:21 PM · #8

Anything else?

* This message has been edited by the author on 7/24/2002 7:53:13 PM.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

07/24/2002 03:35:57 PM · #9

Originally posted by clubjuggle:
Originally posted by Kimbly:
[i]18 year olds can vote. Can't they???

Only since the 26th Amendment was ratified in 1971.
-Terry
[/i]

When it was decided that to require an 18YO to die for a governement they could not vote for (or against) was fundamentally unfair.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

07/24/2002 03:30:54 PM · #10

Originally posted by myqyl:
Originally posted by hokie:
[i]Every time I bring the drinking age issue up I usally get a lot of folks saying "Not letting 18 year olds drink is a GOOD thing!"

I say let them drink all they want, just don''t let them drive till they''re 25.

But that''s just me :[/i]

When I ws 18 and in college I must have drank every night. It was $1 for a 72 ounce pitcher at some bar and they were all within walking distance of campus. I admit there was a lot of screwups but no more than now.

And the driving thing. Many states let kids drive at 15-1/2! But make 'em wait till they are 21 to drink a beer?

Insane.:-/

myqyl

Nikon D3100

07/24/2002 03:24:37 PM · #11

Originally posted by hokie:
Every time I bring the drinking age issue up I usally get a lot of folks saying "Not letting 18 year olds drink is a GOOD thing!"

I say let them drink all they want, just don''t let them drive till they''re 25.

But that''s just me :)

* This message has been edited by the author on 7/24/2002 3:24:31 PM.

Dogman

Fujifilm FinePix 2200

07/24/2002 03:22:27 PM · #12

I started it, I'll have the last word :-)

07/24/2002 03:19:34 PM · #13

hokie -- durn you!

word
word
word

Drew, Langdon, quick lock this thread!!!!

07/24/2002 03:16:10 PM · #14

word..heheh

karmat..you started it..you should get the last word..I was jsut messing with you :-P

* This message has been edited by the author on 7/24/2002 3:16:53 PM.

07/24/2002 03:15:24 PM · #15

last word. :-)

07/24/2002 03:02:56 PM · #16

Originally posted by Agamemnon:

Sounds like a postmodern crisis to me. =)

You don't know how true that may be. It could be the reason behind a lot of the stuff that happens nowadays
<:-?

Agamemnon

Olympus C-700UZ

07/24/2002 02:58:28 PM · #17

I applaud Drew and Langdon for taking a risk and having this topic for us to think about. It's a bit tedious at times to think about because, like karmat said, our individual influence often makes us feel unimpowered and wondering why bother.

Sounds like a postmodern crisis to me. =)

07/24/2002 02:35:51 PM · #18

In the end most people are pretty good most of the time.

Our suspicions tend to pull us apart. Humans are a suspicious lot. We act in our own interest most of the time out of convenience but try to get along with others in the process.

Our suspicion sometimes is that others do not care to get along and if they are getting along it is only to throw us off guard long enough to get an advantage :-)

Unfortunately karmat, your Russian story underlines this point. We see the same thing in the forums sometimes.

I applaud Drew and Langdon for taking a risk and having this topic for us to think about. It's a bit tedious at times to think about because, like karmat said, our individual influence often makes us feel unimpowered and wondering why bother.

Maybe these kinds of topics every so often allow us to realize that we all have a lot of the same concerns and hopes.

Kimbly

Canon PowerShot G2

07/24/2002 02:31:51 PM · #19

Originally posted by karmat:
I WILL have the last word on this thread! :-)

Dammit. I wanted to have the last word. And I was so close...:-)

07/24/2002 02:01:53 PM · #20

I WILL have the last word on this thread! :-)

Somewhere up there, and I cna't find it now, there was something to the tune of the American people need to do something about how their government is doing something. (Please note, I read quickly, it was WAY up there, and that is a rough paraphrase). That comment reminded me of a conversation I had in Russia a few years ago.

I was with a small group of Americans, and we were talking to some of the Russians who were serving as our interpreters. Bill Clinton was president at the time, and the whole Monica "thang" was either going on or had just started dying down. Along with the Bosnia situation, and some other things. One Russian asked, "Why don't you make your government stop doing these things?"
I asked if she could make the Russian government stop anything.
"No, of course not."
I simply replied that even though we were Americans, and had more influence over some aspects of our government, when it was all said and done, I have no more control than she did in our respective governments.

It was a real eye opener for both of us. She found out, for the first time, that the government of the USA and the people of the USA were separate entities. I found out for the first time (and I think this might be part of the root here) that other countries see Americans and American government as one big happy entity. What I want, George Dubya will do. Not so. Though at this point, I support many of the decisions my government makes, there are many I do not like. Just as Mosha may not like what Vladimir Putin does. Not a lot we can do.

Just a side note -- I'm not sure Corporate America even exists. I think Corporate World probably describes it best.

Disclaimor -- If when this is posted there are 151 others saying the same thing. I apologize. I started the post, and then got called away from the computer to *gasp* work. I'm back now.:-)

Kimbly

Canon PowerShot G2

07/24/2002 12:13:00 PM · #21

Originally posted by hokie:
I like seeing how others think, especially people I hang around with a good deal of my online time. And that I don't find pointless at all :-)

I don't think :-P

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

07/24/2002 12:05:26 PM · #22

Well, for the record I don't give a rats a$$ about "dubya" any more than I did about "Slick Willy" or "Albore".

My voting preferences are my own and they change.

But that isn't why I got involved in this thread. My interest was how it directly related to this weeks challenge.

I like seeing how others think, especially people I hang around with a good deal of my online time. And that I don't find pointless at all :-)

Ronin

Sony DSC-S85

07/24/2002 11:59:40 AM · #23

textI believe the last numbers I heard 6 corperations controlled (owned) 90% of all news coverage world wide.

think the California costs at that time were 13 cents a kilowatt hour versus 5 cents in the Mid-Atlantic states (7 cents on the coastal regions

And I thought I wasnt going to learn anything today ;)

magnetic9999

Canon EOS-20D

07/24/2002 11:58:47 AM · #24

and i said, do what you all want, didn't I? : ) ..

it was MY opinion, which I am also fully entitled to express, that this is a waste of time that will only lead to hard feelings - as it already has ..

dubya lover isnt going to agree with jochen, he knows he's "right". jochen isn't going to agree with 'dubya lover', he knows dubya lover is deluded or misinformed. etc. and on and on.

knock yourselves out; just don't come crying when someone puts an eye out, lol ...

<closes door quietly on way out>