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04/22/2012 06:00:04 PM · #1 |
You have rated 72 of 72 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 2 images (3%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.3056.
some cracking images, not had time to comment but great work |
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04/22/2012 02:57:47 PM · #2 |
this has to be the first challenge in which i actually am going up on the last day ... or at least until i hit the "Post" button ;-)
all i'm sayin' is i'm above 6 (much to my chigrin for a shot i thought would bomb)
-m |
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04/22/2012 02:52:12 PM · #3 |
| And the last day drop has begun. I've lost .26 since this morning. |
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04/22/2012 08:50:48 AM · #4 |
In 2 days I have dropped .3 to a 5.49.
Biggest drop I've ever seen in that short of a time frame. I was steadily rising and closing in on a 5.8 Thursday. |
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04/21/2012 06:45:22 PM · #5 |
You have rated 74 of 74 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.1081
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04/21/2012 06:07:09 PM · #6 |
 cosmicassassin There's no point in debating the issue of voting any more. To me, average here is 5.5 - my scale is 1-10 of "bad to good" as it says under each image during voting (and there are few I score below 4 and would term "bad", even if the subject matter and style are not my cup of tea) and your scale is 1-10 of "dislike to like" I guess and has to create a bell curve for you. My scores do not have to form a bell curve especially if I think the majority of the images are well done. So I end up with more at the higher end and you end up with more at the lower end of the scale. :-/
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04/21/2012 05:59:29 PM · #7 |
| Headless people sure do make a lot of noise. |
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04/21/2012 05:37:49 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by CJinCA:
This is not a physical contest and I'm sure there were MANY runners who would be extremely happy to get a personal best even if they didn't win. We have different agendas. You want to "beat" everyone, I just want to improve. Both are based on the perceptions of the voters for a specific challenge. But, are you "beating" everyone by giving them low scores so you place higher or do you really think the images in the challenges are far below average? Your idea of "if you're not winning, you're losing." is an odd one to me when referring to photography. |
This is a challenge website though. Whether it be photography, running, or anything measurable, someone has to win. The problem lies with what do you mean by below average. I rate the photographs compared to the other photographs within the challenge. So by definition, half of them have to be below average, it's simply a mathematical construct. That being said, I am normally more stringent the higher up the scale we move.
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
So you vote everyone else in the challenge low to give yourself a better chance at winning? |
Ironically my voting average in challenges I'm not entered in are lower by a substantial margin than challenges where I am entered. Also, someone always get a nine from me in every challenge. Tens I reserve for my absolute favorite photographs, of which I finally gave one out. If my wife approves, I'll see if NiallOTuama wants to sell  . There's one thing I've always held true in sports and it's no different here, winning while sacrificing integrity is no way to win at all.
CS
Message edited by author 2012-04-21 17:38:00. |
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04/21/2012 02:54:33 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Yes, you are missing something. |
Please enlighten me then.
CS |
Oh, you get it just fine. You've been enlightened more than anyone I've seen in all my years here, so don't pretend it's anything other than what it is. |
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04/21/2012 02:42:22 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by CJinCA:
Yes and No. Sure, I'd like to get a ribbon some day, but if I got a 7+ and the brown, I'd be very happy as it means the voters thought the image was very good, even if the other images were a bit better. whereas, if I got a Blue with a score of 5.5 or less, not quite as happy. |
I guess this is where we differ. Going back to my running days, it was meaningless to run fast if it didn't carry anything with it. There was nothing worse than running a PB but finishing outside of the money; it was just salt in the wound. My motto was always if you're not winning, you're losing.
CS |
This is not a physical contest and I'm sure there were MANY runners who would be extremely happy to get a personal best even if they didn't win. We have different agendas. You want to "beat" everyone, I just want to improve. Both are based on the perceptions of the voters for a specific challenge. But, are you "beating" everyone by giving them low scores so you place higher or do you really think the images in the challenges are far below average? Your idea of "if you're not winning, you're losing." is an odd one to me when referring to photography.
Since this is a scores thread, and I'm not even in this challenge, I'm out of here. :-) |
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04/21/2012 02:41:50 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
My motto was always if you're not winning, you're losing. |
So you vote everyone else in the challenge low to give yourself a better chance at winning? |
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04/21/2012 02:02:43 PM · #12 |
Live and let vote.
Off With Their Head!
Votes: 82
Views: 161
Avg Vote: 5.4390
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Stats: You have rated 72 of 73 images (99%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 33 images (45%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.4167.
45% enjoyment rate. Wunderbar!!! |
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04/21/2012 02:01:44 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Yes, you are missing something. |
Please enlighten me then.
Originally posted by CJinCA:
Yes and No. Sure, I'd like to get a ribbon some day, but if I got a 7+ and the brown, I'd be very happy as it means the voters thought the image was very good, even if the other images were a bit better. whereas, if I got a Blue with a score of 5.5 or less, not quite as happy. |
I guess this is where we differ. Going back to my running days, it was meaningless to run fast if it didn't carry anything with it. There was nothing worse than running a PB but finishing outside of the money; it was just salt in the wound. My motto was always if you're not winning, you're losing.
Originally posted by Brent_S:
I think maybe you are missing something here Christopher. While for most a high placement in any given challenge is the main goal, some like to also work at goals like raising their overall average in any given year, etc. No doubt there are a lot of trends that would effect whether people can actually raise their average or not. But if enough people who score low on average like yourself show up and start voting a lot, it really dashes the hopes of many people.
Would it really be that hard for you to set say a 5 or 6 as the middle score for this site? If you do that consistently it will not change the outcome of individual challenges much if any- but it would make some people with certain personal goals happy :) |
How about I just raise my average to, I don't know, say 8.5, and make everyone happy? I would never ask anyone to change their criteria for voting. It'd be like asking the pro-life/choice crowds to change because hey, it's what the other side wants.
If you could ensure it was the same cast and crew every vote, than I could see wanting to beat averages and whatnot. Since the cast changes from challenge to challenge, I don't see the point in this kind of exercise. Sure the core of voters are likely the same time and time around, but there has to be a good number that differ and thus make comparing averages from one challenge to the next entirely meaningless.
CS |
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04/21/2012 12:46:32 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by CJinCA:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
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The point is, as long as people like myself vote on every entry, your ranking relative to the averages are preserved with absolute score being meaningless except to rank individuals within the challenge.
CS |
No, the point for me is NOT my placement relative to others, but my overall score. I'm trying to raise my average so voters like you who think the majority of the images (maybe including mine?) are way below average, aren't helping. :-( |
So you don't care if you finish last with a score of 7.x? I know it's highly improbable, but that is exactly what you're saying.
My question is, what's the point of raising your average since it nets nothing at the end of the day? Unless I'm missing something, isn't the ranking at vote rollover the only thing that matters?
CS |
Yes and No. Sure, I'd like to get a ribbon some day, but if I got a 7+ and the brown, I'd be very happy as it means the voters thought the image was very good, even if the other images were a bit better. whereas, if I got a Blue with a score of 5.5 or less, not quite as happy.
Message edited by author 2012-04-21 12:48:51. |
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04/21/2012 12:44:12 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by CJinCA:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
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The point is, as long as people like myself vote on every entry, your ranking relative to the averages are preserved with absolute score being meaningless except to rank individuals within the challenge.
CS |
No, the point for me is NOT my placement relative to others, but my overall score. I'm trying to raise my average so voters like you who think the majority of the images (maybe including mine?) are way below average, aren't helping. :-( |
So you don't care if you finish last with a score of 7.x? I know it's highly improbable, but that is exactly what you're saying.
My question is, what's the point of raising your average since it nets nothing at the end of the day? Unless I'm missing something, isn't the ranking at vote rollover the only thing that matters?
CS |
Yes, you are missing something. |
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04/21/2012 12:42:40 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by CJinCA:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
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The point is, as long as people like myself vote on every entry, your ranking relative to the averages are preserved with absolute score being meaningless except to rank individuals within the challenge.
CS |
No, the point for me is NOT my placement relative to others, but my overall score. I'm trying to raise my average so voters like you who think the majority of the images (maybe including mine?) are way below average, aren't helping. :-( |
So you don't care if you finish last with a score of 7.x? I know it's highly improbable, but that is exactly what you're saying.
My question is, what's the point of raising your average since it nets nothing at the end of the day? Unless I'm missing something, isn't the ranking at vote rollover the only thing that matters?
CS |
I think maybe you are missing something here Christopher. While for most a high placement in any given challenge is the main goal, some like to also work at goals like raising their overall average in any given year, etc. No doubt there are a lot of trends that would effect whether people can actually raise their average or not. But if enough people who score low on average like yourself show up and start voting a lot, it really dashes the hopes of many people.
Would it really be that hard for you to set say a 5 or 6 as the middle score for this site? If you do that consistently it will not change the outcome of individual challenges much if any- but it would make some people with certain personal goals happy :) |
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04/21/2012 12:30:17 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
close your eyes, grunge and now this... best challenges evah! :) I have to sort through my million 7s next and give comments. |
Yeah, get on it!
I'm above and below a five with one good comment. Actually every comment is a good comment.
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04/21/2012 12:29:29 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by CJinCA:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
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The point is, as long as people like myself vote on every entry, your ranking relative to the averages are preserved with absolute score being meaningless except to rank individuals within the challenge.
CS |
No, the point for me is NOT my placement relative to others, but my overall score. I'm trying to raise my average so voters like you who think the majority of the images (maybe including mine?) are way below average, aren't helping. :-( |
So you don't care if you finish last with a score of 7.x? I know it's highly improbable, but that is exactly what you're saying.
My question is, what's the point of raising your average since it nets nothing at the end of the day? Unless I'm missing something, isn't the ranking at vote rollover the only thing that matters?
CS |
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04/21/2012 12:04:38 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
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The point is, as long as people like myself vote on every entry, your ranking relative to the averages are preserved with absolute score being meaningless except to rank individuals within the challenge.
CS |
No, the point for me is NOT my placement relative to others, but my overall score. I'm trying to raise my average so voters like you who think the majority of the images (maybe including mine?) are way below average, aren't helping. :-( |
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04/21/2012 11:56:12 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by CNovack:
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Mine was holding steady in PB territory, and has now lost .3 in the last two days. The score is still decent, but very disappointing. |
So here is a question - did you get hit this morning? I wonder if those in the Money Challenge also got hit at the same time?
I do notice that challenges that have not yet reached 100 votes have a higher 'flucuation'....it seems to hit especially hard in the last 48 hours. |
I just finished voting. Got back from vacation and time to procrastinate while the house needs to be cleaned.
Off With Your Head
You have rated 73 of 73 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 4.3288.
Money
You have rated 57 of 57 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 4.0526.
If there is another voter with low voting averages, your score will drop. But something people don't seem to understand is that scores are entirely meaningless outside of context. Chances are not only your score lowered, but so did everyone else's. The point is, as long as people like myself vote on every entry, your ranking relative to the averages are preserved with absolute score being meaningless except to rank individuals within the challenge.
CS |
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04/21/2012 11:48:39 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by CNovack:
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Mine was holding steady in PB territory, and has now lost .3 in the last two days. The score is still decent, but very disappointing. |
So here is a question - did you get hit this morning? I wonder if those in the Money Challenge also got hit at the same time?
I do notice that challenges that have not yet reached 100 votes have a higher 'flucuation'....it seems to hit especially hard in the last 48 hours. |
Yes, it lost about .08 this morning. Voting has been very slow on this challenge. I'd say the biggest loss on my score has been from the last 10 votes. And there have been no comments, since it began dropping. My Money entry is a big bomb, so the low votes today are not hurting it.
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04/21/2012 11:37:02 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Mine was holding steady in PB territory, and has now lost .3 in the last two days. The score is still decent, but very disappointing. |
So here is a question - did you get hit this morning? I wonder if those in the Money Challenge also got hit at the same time?
I do notice that challenges that have not yet reached 100 votes have a higher 'flucuation'....it seems to hit especially hard in the last 48 hours. |
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04/21/2012 11:27:47 AM · #23 |
| Mine was holding steady in PB territory, and has now lost .3 in the last two days. The score is still decent, but very disappointing. |
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04/21/2012 10:39:30 AM · #24 |
Geez, score was holding steady all week and then 5 votes roll in in less than 40 minutes and the score drops 0.0865.
Noted: 10:03 a.m. to 10:39 a.m. Saturday 4/21/2012
Message edited by author 2012-04-21 10:46:25. |
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04/21/2012 10:17:08 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
close your eyes, grunge and now this... best challenges evah! :) I have to sort through my million 7s next and give comments. |
i hope i get one.... :) |
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