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11/15/2012 08:32:18 PM · #1 |
Brought to you by the Society for Being NICE to Horses
(dead or alive)
Message edited by author 2012-11-15 21:10:27. |
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11/15/2012 05:30:16 PM · #2 |
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11/15/2012 03:06:19 PM · #3 |
Yeah! I was just checking out photo's of previous winners while voting in the dejavu challenge. I accidentally posted a photo that I was looking up to compare to the challenge entry. Now I brought up another dead horse to beat!
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11/15/2012 03:00:11 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by EL-ROI:
oops |
LOL... I was seriously about to just come post:
But since you edited it to oops nearly right away, I think this is more appropriate:
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11/15/2012 02:55:20 PM · #5 |
oops
Message edited by author 2012-11-15 14:55:34.
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09/11/2012 07:08:26 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
When one factors this into the equation: "Frankly, he should pay people to do this. Volunteers will only do so much" I do believe that there is merit to my comment. The fact that someone does not get paid to perform a task does not suggest that they will only do so much.
Perhaps I am reading this wrong, but there is (from my perspective anyway) a monumental difference between "will" and "can".
Ray |
ABSOLUTELY that is what it suggests....in a scenario like this it is completely unreasonable for anyone to expect a volunteer to perform above and beyond. I am not sure if it was this thread or another, but somewhere did the math that made it clear how much money this site brings in to Langdon. If that is indeed true, and he is clearly not very active, then I would feel the same as a volunteer member of SC. That is, to do the bare minimum...... |
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09/11/2012 07:00:22 PM · #7 |
The problem I have with your comment (which I generally agree with), is your reference to fire fighters....
The difference here is that one does a volunteer job which is of utmost importance, while the other does a job that is purely based on a hobby....
To clarify, it is totally expected and reasonable that a volunteer will only do as much as feasibly possible based on their time allowances. Having said that, I also believe that a volunteer First Responder will wake up at 2 am and leave their family to deal with an emeergency, whereas I do not believe that a volunteer (or owner for that matter) of DPC will do the same for the site...
So, really, what is your point? |
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09/11/2012 06:53:01 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by glockguy:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
As far as volunteers go, we have a volunteer Fire Department where I live and considering the dedication and level of training, I harbour no fear relative to my safety or those of my loved ones.
Ray |
As a volunteer Fire Fighter, I believe this is a completely irrelevant comment....
Totally different situation....
Sorry Ray, but having dedication to fire fighting is a wholly different ball of wax than being dedicated to maintaing a "hobby related" website.
I say "hobby related" because that is how the Owners treat this, as a hobby...
just my $.02 |
When one factors this into the equation: "Frankly, he should pay people to do this. Volunteers will only do so much" I do believe that there is merit to my comment. The fact that someone does not get paid to perform a task does not suggest that they will only do so much.
Perhaps I am reading this wrong, but there is (from my perspective anyway) a monumental difference between "will" and "can".
Ray |
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09/11/2012 06:25:16 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
As far as volunteers go, we have a volunteer Fire Department where I live and considering the dedication and level of training, I harbour no fear relative to my safety or those of my loved ones.
Ray |
As a volunteer Fire Fighter, I believe this is a completely irrelevant comment....
Totally different situation....
Sorry Ray, but having dedication to fire fighting is a wholly different ball of wax than being dedicated to maintaing a "hobby related" website.
I say "hobby related" because that is how the Owners treat this, as a hobby...
just my $.02 |
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09/11/2012 06:06:08 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by mike_311:
if langdon doesn't want to be around he doesn't need to be, but he should appoint folks to handle the tasks he's not up to... |
Frankly, he should pay people to do this. Volunteers will only do so much. If this site were run as a business with paid employees in every visible and behind-the-scenes position, it would be a successful experience for everyone. |
I have no problem whatsoever with what you are proposihg here Louis, but do you honestly believe that all who clamour for a better product would stick around if the membership fees were increased sustantially to meet the new criteria.
I don't know about anyone else in here, but I happen to belong to a variety of other clubs and not one of them entertains me as much as DPC for the paltry sum of $25.00 per annum.
As far as volunteers go, we have a volunteer Fire Department where I live and considering the dedication and level of training, I harbour no fear relative to my safety or those of my loved ones.
From a personal perspective, I am of the opinion that we have yet to identify exactly what it is we want... perhaps it might prove propitious to do just that before striving to seek solutions.
Ray |
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09/11/2012 05:43:10 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
The key is the payment thing. When you start charging money for services, it becomes a business. You must accept that you now have customers, not just members.
You're right Louis, I don't think the current proprietors think of it as a business at all... just a hobby. |
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09/11/2012 02:50:32 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
The key is the payment thing. When you start charging money for services, it becomes a business. You must accept that you now have customers, not just members.
You're right Louis, I don't think the current proprietors think of it as a business at all... just a hobby. |
And that is their prerogative but I do wish more would be done :) |
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09/11/2012 12:42:14 PM · #13 |
The key is the payment thing. When you start charging money for services, it becomes a business. You must accept that you now have customers, not just members.
You're right Louis, I don't think the current proprietors think of it as a business at all... just a hobby. |
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09/11/2012 11:38:45 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
if langdon doesn't want to be around he doesn't need to be, but he should appoint folks to handle the tasks he's not up to... |
Frankly, he should pay people to do this. Volunteers will only do so much. If this site were run as a business with paid employees in every visible and behind-the-scenes position, it would be a successful experience for everyone. |
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09/03/2012 06:54:48 PM · #15 |
$ 0.02
when i found this site, no one recommended it, i found it on my closest friend ...the google.
i still saw it come up #1 now when i searched digital photography challenge, and #2 when i only search photography challenge.
still the first and best site to find to enter (nearly) freely and get good criticism and praise.
i think simply to keep members, new and old, the site needs to make some small adjustments that will maintain "overall" satisfaction.
however, having seen MANY threads over the years of whinging, i wouldn't be surprised if langdon missed something like this.
just use "get satisfaction" the way it was meant. if that means relinquishing or delegating some control, so be it.
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09/03/2012 05:30:27 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Cory:
when I type in "Learn Digital Photography dpchallenge" into Google, and follow the first link...(...lots of snipping) |
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... but isn't this place primarily a learning environment?
That's what I hear all the time, yet from the Google results I don't see anything of the sort.
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Just a thought - learning environment, sure. Still, DPC is primarily a "Challenge".
To me, Challenge equates to Competition.
If you type in "Digital Photography Competition"
sure enough, DPC comes up in the number one spot.
And we get three unique Challenges each week.
We learn by doing. Not a bad return, I'd say.
As far as growing the site? We have had strong periods and quiet ones.
Perhaps this is one of those times when we just enjoy the quiet competitions. |
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09/03/2012 05:08:54 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Cory:
when I type in "Learn Digital Photography dpchallenge" into Google, and follow the first link... |
Weird result, but also a highly unlikely search term for someone not already familiar with DPC. I would think a more plausible search is something like "digital photography contest," and DPC is the first link. |
Agreed, but isn't this place primarily a learning environment?
That's what I hear all the time, yet from the Google results I don't see anything of the sort.
My point is this: I have spent days in a room with a $1000/hour marketing consultant, and got to build a brand from the ground up. The experience taught me many valuable lessons, but one stood out from the rest: Know who you are, and realize that you do one thing- whatever that one thing is, target that and tailor your business/website/etc to fit the needs of the one thing that you do.
I'm pretty sure my marketing guy would tell Langdon that his message is mixed, and not on target. Not that it matters, but this place could grow again with just a few tweaks.
Message edited by author 2012-09-03 17:10:06. |
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09/03/2012 05:00:28 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Cory:
FYI - another big thing I think DPC needs is a proper advertising run. Google Ads are pretty cheap, and there's no reason that DPC shouldn't own a few ads.
Additionally, when I type in "Learn Digital Photography dpchallenge" into Google, and follow the first link (theoretically the first result in "Learn Digital Photography" that would reference DPChallenge.com) - the result I get is... well. Just go look for yourself.
We need some new influx to keep this place interesting. We'd all like to have some healthy growth, ads are an easy way to achieve that, and they have the additionally bonus of possibly stuffing more cash into the DPC economy if those people become full members. |
Yeah, that is pretty poor... but your putting in the dpchallenge name..... remove that and I don't see dpc in the top dozen or so pages..... So people are hardly going to trip over the site. |
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09/03/2012 04:59:10 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Cory:
when I type in "Learn Digital Photography dpchallenge" into Google, and follow the first link... |
Weird result, but also a highly unlikely search term for someone not already familiar with DPC. I would think a more plausible search is something like "digital photography contest," and DPC is the first link.
Message edited by author 2012-09-03 16:59:31. |
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09/03/2012 04:53:42 PM · #20 |
FYI - another big thing I think DPC needs is a proper advertising run. Google Ads are pretty cheap, and there's no reason that DPC shouldn't own a few ads.
Additionally, when I type in "Learn Digital Photography dpchallenge" into Google, and follow the first link (theoretically the first result in "Learn Digital Photography" that would reference DPChallenge.com) - the result I get is... well. Just go look for yourself.
We need some new influx to keep this place interesting. We'd all like to have some healthy growth, ads are an easy way to achieve that, and they have the additionally bonus of possibly stuffing more cash into the DPC economy if those people become full members.
Message edited by author 2012-09-03 16:55:40. |
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09/03/2012 02:55:36 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by slickchik:
I think a few more SC members should be added to reduce the load on the current bunch. Most SC don't seem to participate much. It would be nice to have SC that actually want to be involved. |
The SC thinks so, too, and has been calling for this since 2010. |
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09/03/2012 02:54:46 PM · #22 |
| I think a few more SC members should be added to reduce the load on the current bunch. Most SC don't seem to participate much. It would be nice to have SC that actually want to be involved. |
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09/03/2012 02:34:13 PM · #23 |
im not looking for much.
new portfolio interface that actually makes sharing with non-dpcers easy, i use 500px for my online portfolio, and photobucket for my sharing needs, it would be nice if this site had something similar, i'd gladly pay more
editing rules makeover, your know where i stand on this.
quicker validation, so people dont miss out on frontpage time. its sad when a dq happens over a week later and the beneficiary misses all that frontpage time.
a response from SC about a possible rule break would be nice too, right now the fastest way to get a response is to ask the question in a forum and hope an SC member sees it.
if langdon doesn't want to be around he doesn't need to be, but he should appoint folks to handle the tasks he's not up to, there are more than enough volunteers.
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09/03/2012 02:25:59 PM · #24 |
I tend to agree with jagar. Not much I would change here. The site is stable and functional. Maybe less is more. Flickr's latest "enhancements" have all but crippled the site in my opinion.
As for Langdon, and to the General's point, I don't see any value in his participating in threads like this either. But a monthly or even quarterly "state of the union" update would be good. Or even the occasional comment on a photo just so we know he's around and engaged. Just say "Hi!" once a week or so... |
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09/03/2012 02:22:47 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
The roof is not leaking. He did fix the broken shopping cart at DPCPrints, although I admit it took too long, and he made it easier to upload and increased our portfolio space. I feel like people just want some shiny new furniture. The navigation on this site is the best on the Internet, IMO, and I'd hate to see that messed up. I don't like the way Facebook is constantly changing things -- as soon as the members get comfortable with the navigation, it gets changed, and people scream bloody murder. |
I think one evolution that needs to be addressed is the mobile phone. I don't know about anyone else, but the navigation sucks when looking at the site from a phone. I'm not talking about voting, because that shouldn't be done from a phone. I just mean navigation (for instance, the top menu does not work on a phone!). This site needs a m.dpchallenge.com (ok, it has one, but it's not a mobile site) or some sort of integration into tapatalk.
There are plenty of other minor improvements that could be made involving voting and commenting too. |
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