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04/28/2011 07:44:58 AM · #1 |
Ron Bigelow has a huge section on Photoshop. It is a great starting place to see what the various tools can do.
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04/27/2011 08:12:27 PM · #2 |
Kelby Training Online is a great site. For the annual fee you can watch as many different videos as you want, as often as you want.
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04/27/2011 07:02:17 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This is a quick first stab at it. I have lost too much luminosity in the leaves in the background, other than that it's coming well. I can fix that, but not now. For some, this would be overprocessed; for me, it's "rich processing" :-)
R. |
Oh, you now have a name for it huh? Jejeje™ |
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04/27/2011 06:04:24 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This is a quick first stab at it. I have lost too much luminosity in the leaves in the background, other than that it's coming well. I can fix that, but not now. For some, this would be overprocessed; for me, it's "rich processing" :-)
R. |
Well you have both shown me that there is a lot of 'hidden' features I could bring out, in both edits the leaves in the background show up much more then they did in my original picture. I do tend to be one of the ones that like less versus more when it comes to processing for most things. Even the one that yakatme did, tho the detail is amazing, the greens look to fake almost the more I look at it. But, as he said and as you said, these were both quick processes so that shows me what is possible.. so thank you both again!
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04/27/2011 06:00:33 PM · #5 |
CreativeTechs has some great classes also. You can watch them for free online or purchase the download and they are taught on a very easy to understand platform. There are classes in photography, PhotoShop and other things. I like these guys...
Message edited by author 2011-04-27 18:02:38. |
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04/27/2011 05:52:28 PM · #6 |
This is a quick first stab at it. I have lost too much luminosity in the leaves in the background, other than that it's coming well. I can fix that, but not now. For some, this would be overprocessed; for me, it's "rich processing" :-)
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04/27/2011 05:00:41 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I didn't think they'd left yet, but I forget the exact dates ... I know I'm supposed to be meeting up with them almost exactly three weeks from right now, someplace near Truckee. :-) |
Is that a confirmed booking? Jejeje™ You need to get on the PM horn and nail down the details, sir :-)
Socom, my e-mail's in my profile to send the original, if you wish. |
I wished, and I sent :) |
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04/27/2011 04:45:22 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
PS: The current issue of Sunset has an article and guide map for some 30 artisanal cheesemakers in Marin and Sonoma. |
We'll trade ya lodging in Truckee for a copy of that magazine...
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04/27/2011 04:44:26 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I didn't think they'd left yet, but I forget the exact dates ... I know I'm supposed to be meeting up with them almost exactly three weeks from right now, someplace near Truckee. :-) |
Is that a confirmed booking? Jejeje™ You need to get on the PM horn and nail down the details, sir :-)
Socom, my e-mail's in my profile to send the original, if you wish. |
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04/27/2011 04:41:36 PM · #10 |
I didn't think they'd left yet, but I forget the exact dates ... I know I'm supposed to be meeting up with them almost exactly three weeks from right now, someplace near Truckee. :-)
ETA: See what I mean ... :-)
PS: The current issue of Sunset has an article and guide map for some 30 artisanal cheesemakers in Marin and Sonoma.
Message edited by author 2011-04-27 16:43:42. |
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04/27/2011 04:41:26 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
Maybe he and Penny are already on their vacation (five weeks I think he said). |
We leave a week from Sunday.
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04/27/2011 04:40:50 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by yakatme:
You're welcome, Clay. Again, that was a quick edit. The possibilities are endless. Just wait until someone like  Bear_Music Topaz's it ... |
Really, I can't imagine what's taking him so long to post here -- he usually beats me to the thread by a good couple of hours ... ;-) |
Bear's been watching a movie. Anyway, he doesn't have an original to work with. Not as far as he knows, anyway... But Yakatme spent 10 days on a boat with bear, and some of that rubbed off :-)
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04/27/2011 04:37:56 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by yakatme:
You're welcome, Clay. Again, that was a quick edit. The possibilities are endless. Just wait until someone like Bear_Music Topaz's it ... |
Really, I can't imagine what's taking him so long to post here -- he usually beats me to the thread by a good couple of hours ... ;-) |
Maybe he and Penny are already on their vacation (five weeks I think he said). |
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04/27/2011 04:30:05 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
You're welcome, Clay. Again, that was a quick edit. The possibilities are endless. Just wait until someone like Bear_Music Topaz's it ... |
Really, I can't imagine what's taking him so long to post here -- he usually beats me to the thread by a good couple of hours ... ;-) |
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04/27/2011 04:27:10 PM · #15 |
| You're welcome, Clay. Again, that was a quick edit. The possibilities are endless. Just wait until someone like Bear_Music Topaz's it or Art Roflmao burns down the trees with Godzilla. |
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04/27/2011 04:21:52 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
Originally posted by Socom:
Sounds good, and sent! (5MB btw) |
Here they are...
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- - - - your original - - - - - - - - - - my quick edit (not a quality job by any means)
Even though it is a jpeg, I increased the exposure a little, masked it out and reapplied with a brush.
Shadow/Highlights adjustment on a duplicate layer for shadows, masked out completely and brushed it back in in the darkest areas.
Levels...first the right slider and then the left slider separately, used a mask to eliminate and selectively brush back in again.
Flattened image.
Unsharp.
That's it and it took about two minutes. |
You really brought out the trees in the background that were faded and dark, and gave the rocks more detail, I see what you mean. I am going to have to seriously look back at my pictures to see what I can do to in enhance them, and try to learn to recognize what needs to be done, which I think will be the hardest part.
Thank you again! |
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04/27/2011 04:15:33 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Socom:
Sounds good, and sent! (5MB btw) |
Here they are...
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- - - - your original - - - - - - - - - - my quick edit (not a quality job by any means)
Even though it is a jpeg, I increased the exposure a little, masked it out and reapplied with a brush.
Shadow/Highlights adjustment on a duplicate layer for shadows, masked out completely and brushed it back in in the darkest areas.
Levels...first the right slider and then the left slider separately, used a mask to eliminate and selectively brush back in again.
Flattened image.
Unsharp.
That's it and it took about two minutes.
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04/27/2011 04:06:24 PM · #18 |
THere is a site that not too many people know about its called Youtube.
here is the link
YouTube |
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04/27/2011 04:00:33 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by FibreOptix:
I do stand corrected....Saving out a JPEG ("save as") will not destroy Meta Data.
Saving out of PS as "Save For Web" (CTRL + SHIFT + ALT + S) out of PhotoShop will. |
PS CS5 has a user option/preference to include or exclude EXIF when using the "Save For Web" feature.
Originally posted by FibreOptix:
PhotoShop is overkill for a beginner. |
But if you have it may as well learn to use it, especially it is a "marketable" skill ...
Message edited by author 2011-04-27 16:02:20. |
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04/27/2011 03:48:18 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Jedusi:
[quote=FibreOptix]
- Destroys your original phot you must make a copy - no
- Library can get messy (In my case anyway). - yes
- You lose you Meta Data (Time, Exposure, Shutter Speed) - no
- Expensive (800.00, 399.00 to upgrade) - yes
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I do stand corrected....Saving out a JPEG ("save as") will not destroy Meta Data.
Saving out of PS as "Save For Web" (CTRL + SHIFT + ALT + S) out of PhotoShop will.
Also a RAW file will not allow you to destroy the original, I was assuming altering a JPEG to be clear, which I guess no one does. Im going old school.
However I do firmly stand on that Lightroom or Aperture is more valuable to a photographer than PhotoShop. PhotoShop is overkill for a beginner. |
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04/27/2011 03:48:16 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
Originally posted by Socom:
Those before and afters really do show what a difference the PP can make, and I will read and watch the tutorials that everyone has suggested. I do have CS5 and can make the changes, know how to do masks and such for the most part (not super advanced but capable) but where my problem lies in I dont 'see' what changes need to be made.
I uploaded two images as examples
 
What would I do with these two? |
If you'd like to, send me the largest file that you have for "Into The Trees" and I'll show you a little of what can be done. |
Sounds good, and sent! (5MB btw) |
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04/27/2011 03:37:06 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Socom:
Those before and afters really do show what a difference the PP can make, and I will read and watch the tutorials that everyone has suggested. I do have CS5 and can make the changes, know how to do masks and such for the most part (not super advanced but capable) but where my problem lies in I dont 'see' what changes need to be made.
I uploaded two images as examples
What would I do with these two? |
If you'd like to, send me the largest file that you have for "Into The Trees" and I'll show you a little of what can be done. |
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04/27/2011 03:24:17 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Jedusi:
[quote=FibreOptix]
- Destroys your original phot you must make a copy - no
- Library can get messy (In my case anyway). - yes
- You lose you Meta Data (Time, Exposure, Shutter Speed) - no
- Expensive (800.00, 399.00 to upgrade) - yes |
How does PhotoShop not destroy your original image (without saving a copy of it?).
Are you referring to a RAW file?
Message edited by author 2011-04-27 15:25:57. |
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04/27/2011 03:20:15 PM · #24 |
Those before and afters really do show what a difference the PP can make, and I will read and watch the tutorials that everyone has suggested. I do have CS5 and can make the changes, know how to do masks and such for the most part (not super advanced but capable) but where my problem lies in I dont 'see' what changes need to be made.
I uploaded two images as examples
What would I do with these two?
Message edited by author 2011-04-27 15:21:12. |
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04/27/2011 02:57:24 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
Originally posted by Socom:
I find that my main problem is, I dont understand WHEN to do Post Production. I do mostly landscape, so I kind of just leave them as they are. Is that the difference between an ok shot and a great shot? the last little tweaks, would my pictures benefit more from a little Post Production. For some reason I cant see the forest through the trees on this one. I know how to use Photoshop and most of those programs, I just dont get it. With a portrait shot, I can understand some of it, but not with landscape and wildlife, is this holding me back? would this be something they teach you? |
I always post process every shot that I consider a keeper. As much as I try to get it right while taking the shot, the camera's processing software almost never produces a jpeg that I am completely satisfied with. Besides that, I shoot RAW which begs for some post processing considering all of the options that you have when you have the RAW file.
Originally posted by Socom:
Is that the difference between an ok shot and a great shot? the last little tweaks, would my pictures benefit more from a little Post Production. |
A simple levels or curves adjustment can do wonders for what would otherwise be an ordinary shot. Besides that, there are often a lot that can be done by blending varying exposures of the same shot, either manually or with HDR software. |
For landscape-type photos the most common post-processing required seems to be extending the tonal range and improving the contrast -- you don't need anything fancy.
I use Curves (with or without masks) and the UnSharp Mask filter almost exclusively to accomplish this ... I am a semi-Luddite, and use hardware and software until it breaks -- my day-to-day editing is in Photoshop 5.0 (the 1995 version, not the latest CS5 version).
In the course of editing pictures for the "Best of 2010" challenge I made some 4x6 prints with small "Before/After" versions of the image to see how much difference it made in the prints -- I found it quite as substantial as in the electronic versions.
Gallery of Before/After comparisons 
Check out the on-site Tutorials for Curves, masks, and sharpening as a starting point, then experiment! If you have any version of Photoshop, make your adjustments on an Adjustment Layer so that your editing is non-destructive, snd so you can toggle the various layers on and off for quick comparisons. A small tablet/stylus combo will help immeasurably is you find yourself making a lot of detailed masks. |
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