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03/18/2011 03:38:23 AM · #1 |
I had a couple of ideas that I didn't get a chance to try, I wouldn't mind another one.
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03/18/2011 02:01:29 AM · #2 |
Had someone who can travel to china just entered this they would have ribboned already :p
I didnt bother entering and I cant say id be thrilled if a second chance came around. |
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03/18/2011 01:35:19 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Originally posted by tnun:
Which way? asked Alice. That all depends on where you want to get to. |
Thank you for that. A perfect response based in wisdom. One should ponder this with each photographic project. Either that or just lick Clive's elbow. |
Agreed. I also agree with Louis about the perverse Posthumous seeking. It's curiously contrary to the whole idea.
After all the brouhaha here, I decided I might as well go through and see what the fuss was all about. I'll admit my vote average wasn't terribly high, and I wasn't particularly compelled to comment first time through. But I have a few observations-
Many of my votes were lowered because a lot of the shots were attempts at a Stock Styled shot but lacked critical aspects (focus is one huge recurring one). A lot of the shots were also from people who I would venture to guess are new to challenges. But, I think that's good. I think challenges with dumb items that everybody has around are good, and I don't think low scores are bad. It shows how simple ideas can be much harder in practice. It makes you look at things harder, evaluate them, and it's also something that is readily available to most people to shoot. Water bottles are mundane, but that's why it attracts the newcomers to enter, and I see much value in that. |
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03/18/2011 12:05:30 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Either that or just lick Clive's elbow. |
Elbow? I thought we were doing knees? Rats... I'm always dressed for the wrong party!
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03/17/2011 11:52:12 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Which way? asked Alice. That all depends on where you want to get to. |
Thank you for that. A perfect response based in wisdom. One should ponder this with each photographic project. Either that or just lick Clive's elbow. |
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03/17/2011 11:40:43 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by smardaz:
am I the only one who felt the subject matter did not make for very compelling shots? |
Funny thing that... I feel the same way about many of the images that people consider as prime examples of "Posthumous Images".
While I do earnestly consider some images as having redeemable values, a lot simply take up space and truly are not all that "compelling"
Ray |
I think some people are trying too hard to get that posthumous honourable mention. Some people are trying very hard to be special. The result is an ironic morphing of an elusive and (to me) beautiful aesthetic into a kind of DPC pop culture mishmash of mediocrity. This kind of irony is very rare; let it continue. |
Louis you totally beat me to it... I was actually going to start a thread to debate this very topic. It seems lately, that more and more people are gunning for the posthumous and feel that simply shaking the camera and adding blur or grain qualifies. Doing this does not make up for an image that lacks technically. What I think many are missing is that fact that the best posthumous images are those which take several photographic techniques into account. Those photos are more than just a quick shot with the subject out of focus. I have a deep and profound appreciation for some of the posthumous images, I find them incredibly pleasing to the eye. I compound that with the fact that I am not able to produce images like that and they only intrigue me more. The closest I've ever come to an attempt would be my fine art shot, and as Louis correctly pointed out in a comment, it was not Fine Art... Anyway, I just wanted to say that I admire those who are able to really nail a posthumous style image, but at the same time, I think people need to understand that just because your subject is out of focus, or you've added grain, you qualify. I'm sure there are some who are trying to get better at the craft though, and I can understand that...
As far as the water bottle challenge goes, I too will concede that this is the lowest I have voted a challenge in recent memory...
You have rated 120 of 120 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 4.8750.
I haven't commented on any images yet but I will try. It was definitely underwhelming, and I'm sure that the subject matter didn't help. |
What's funny is that people will protect their own VOTING average by not voting for bad photos or challenges that they don't like.
But they don't in turn protect their own SCORING average and end up submitting either FOR the brown or FOR posthumous credit...
Weird. |
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03/17/2011 11:37:46 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by mariuca:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I haven't voted yet, but I take into account the difficulty of the subject when voting. I'm going into the voting process realizing that it's a lousy subject and not expecting anything wonderful. So hopefully I'll be surprised when voting. |
Since I was so dissatisfied with almost all entries to this water bottle challenge (starting with mine) I took the time to comment on 66% of them (79 of 119) especially to the ones I marked 5 or under (and of course to the ones that I liked). I think that the puzzlement especially of the newcomers over the low marks is worth taken in consideration and that if not always, (for lack of time), at least on occasion, we shall say why we score low some submissions.
I personally appreciate any comment more than the marks. |
I cannot mark your comment as helpful -- I did received one, but it left me puzzled. I think you confused me with someone else perhaps. From the tone of the message, I'm one of the sub-5 ones (which I really don't get). I do appreciate that you did comment though...
Any photo that meets the challenge and is technically well executed is at least a 6 in my book. Preference, difficulty, etc can then drive it up higher than that...
Message edited by author 2011-03-17 23:39:00. |
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03/17/2011 11:37:14 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
I suspect all my photographs look the same. I try, i really do. All i really want to do is lick my elbow. |
if you can kiss it, you're a fairy |
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03/17/2011 11:34:45 PM · #9 |
Stats: You have rated 37 of 38 images (97%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 3 images (8%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 4.6486.
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03/17/2011 10:56:52 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
I enjoy pop music, but it can get grating after a while listening to the top 40, and rarely is there a truly great pop song. How they pick the Grammy winner escapes me, sometimes it is a very very good song, sometimes it is overproduced trash.
Jazz I sort of enjoy, but it sounds very much the same to my ear and while friends who love the stuff get thrilled by passages, the very lack of structure can make the same passages sound cacophonous to me. I assume if I studied the music I might find hidden depths, but I doubt I ever will.
To me Postumous winners are like jazz, ribbon winners are like pop. I like both, but they are very different sensibilities. |
Truth be told there are some Posthumous images that I can truly appreciate... unfortunately a good portion of them would be more akin to the scratching of fingernails on a chalkboard... they most surely do grab my attention, but not for the right reasons.
Ray |
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03/17/2011 10:39:54 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by smardaz:
am I the only one who felt the subject matter did not make for very compelling shots? |
Funny thing that... I feel the same way about many of the images that people consider as prime examples of "Posthumous Images".
While I do earnestly consider some images as having redeemable values, a lot simply take up space and truly are not all that "compelling"
Ray |
I think some people are trying too hard to get that posthumous honourable mention. Some people are trying very hard to be special. The result is an ironic morphing of an elusive and (to me) beautiful aesthetic into a kind of DPC pop culture mishmash of mediocrity. This kind of irony is very rare; let it continue. |
Louis you totally beat me to it... I was actually going to start a thread to debate this very topic. It seems lately, that more and more people are gunning for the posthumous and feel that simply shaking the camera and adding blur or grain qualifies. Doing this does not make up for an image that lacks technically. What I think many are missing is that fact that the best posthumous images are those which take several photographic techniques into account. Those photos are more than just a quick shot with the subject out of focus. I have a deep and profound appreciation for some of the posthumous images, I find them incredibly pleasing to the eye. I compound that with the fact that I am not able to produce images like that and they only intrigue me more. The closest I've ever come to an attempt would be my fine art shot, and as Louis correctly pointed out in a comment, it was not Fine Art... Anyway, I just wanted to say that I admire those who are able to really nail a posthumous style image, but at the same time, I think people need to understand that just because your subject is out of focus, or you've added grain, you qualify. I'm sure there are some who are trying to get better at the craft though, and I can understand that...
As far as the water bottle challenge goes, I too will concede that this is the lowest I have voted a challenge in recent memory...
You have rated 120 of 120 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 4.8750.
I haven't commented on any images yet but I will try. It was definitely underwhelming, and I'm sure that the subject matter didn't help. |
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03/17/2011 07:57:40 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by expatdawn:
Originally posted by smardaz:
am I the only one who felt the subject matter did not make for very compelling shots?
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Would be curious to hear what you feel makes a "compelling" shot. |
well i would think that is something you can't really nail down. you know it when you see it kinda thing. in this case i can tell you that a water bottle sitting on a kitchen table with some spilled out and taken with a harsh flash is not compelling, quite a few of those |
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03/17/2011 07:57:20 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I haven't voted yet, but I take into account the difficulty of the subject when voting. I'm going into the voting process realizing that it's a lousy subject and not expecting anything wonderful. So hopefully I'll be surprised when voting. |
Since I was so dissatisfied with almost all entries to this water bottle challenge (starting with mine) I took the time to comment on 66% of them (79 of 119) especially to the ones I marked 5 or under (and of course to the ones that I liked). I think that the puzzlement especially of the newcomers over the low marks is worth taken in consideration and that if not always, (for lack of time), at least on occasion, we shall say why we score low some submissions.
I personally appreciate any comment more than the marks. |
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03/17/2011 07:42:52 PM · #14 |
I see the xxx guy is back. He's sucking at it...big time.
Message edited by author 2011-03-17 19:59:20. |
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03/17/2011 07:22:33 PM · #15 |
| I suspect all my photographs look the same. I try, i really do. All i really want to do is lick my elbow. |
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03/17/2011 05:58:33 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by skewsme:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by bobnospum:
it is some form of the Emperor's New Clothes effect going on. |
I kid you not I had the EXACT same thought today!!! |
that's why posthumous ribbon images are so refreshing... there are too many people here with the same thoughts. |
Really. I find many of the posthumous ribbon images to be the same, often I can't tell them apart. |
Oh, but I find many of the ribbon winning images to be very repetitive in one aspect or another; it isn't that I cannot tell them apart but that they don't make that much of an impression on me, so that I am not inclined to distinguish the one from the other. Possibly other people feel the same way about the dead guy's wicked handouts which nonetheless showcase a much wider variety of often surprising photographic possibilities. For me they are a grand exploration: eye openers rather than eye poppers.
Which way? asked Alice. That all depends on where you want to get to. |
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03/17/2011 05:39:11 PM · #17 |
I enjoy pop music, but it can get grating after a while listening to the top 40, and rarely is there a truly great pop song. How they pick the Grammy winner escapes me, sometimes it is a very very good song, sometimes it is overproduced trash.
Jazz I sort of enjoy, but it sounds very much the same to my ear and while friends who love the stuff get thrilled by passages, the very lack of structure can make the same passages sound cacophonous to me. I assume if I studied the music I might find hidden depths, but I doubt I ever will.
To me Postumous winners are like jazz, ribbon winners are like pop. I like both, but they are very different sensibilities.
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03/17/2011 05:26:18 PM · #18 |
| Many are blind who can see. |
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03/17/2011 05:09:22 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by bobnospum:
it is some form of the Emperor's New Clothes effect going on. |
I kid you not I had the EXACT same thought today!!! |
that's why posthumous ribbon images are so refreshing... there are too many people here with the same thoughts. |
Really. I find many of the posthumous ribbon images to be the same, often I can't tell them apart. |
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03/17/2011 02:26:54 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by expatdawn:
Originally posted by smardaz:
am I the only one who felt the subject matter did not make for very compelling shots?
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Would be curious to hear what you feel makes a "compelling" shot. |
An image that's "compelling" would be one that carries emotional weight, or at least strong symbolic weight.
R. |
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03/17/2011 01:47:26 PM · #21 |
| I hope Librodo entered a water bottle shot :) |
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03/17/2011 01:38:05 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by bobnospum:
it is some form of the Emperor's New Clothes effect going on. |
I kid you not I had the EXACT same thought today!!! |
that's why posthumous ribbon images are so refreshing... there are too many people here with the same thoughts. |
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03/17/2011 01:32:01 PM · #23 |
| I'm thinking water bottles every week till we get it right... |
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03/17/2011 01:15:12 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
am I the only one who felt the subject matter did not make for very compelling shots?
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Would be curious to hear what you feel makes a "compelling" shot. |
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03/17/2011 11:22:03 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by jellybelly:
Are you being a bit harsh on the images?
You have rated 121 of 121 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.5207. |
I don't feel like it, its quite lower than my overall average but i didn't go into the voting predjudiced. I was shocked at my avg given in this challenge, its why i posted that. |
Seriously, thanks for voting honestly and not "protecting" your average. Cannot believe there are people here who 1, do that and 2. think it matters. |
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