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05/24/2010 11:08:48 AM · #1 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by Simms:
How can we be sure that our votes are not sent to yourself in the background? Obviously we will have to allow this app to work through our firewalls, thus it could easily send a few extras packets so you can see how people are voting? Will you be releasing the source so we can compile ourselves, safe in the knowledge that the executable doesn't have anything untoward bundled in? |
Ok, now I'm feeling insulted. |
Why? - I am not insulting you personally. Its not like I just called you a twat or something.
Sorry if you took offence, try not to be so sensitive poppet. |
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05/23/2010 04:42:31 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
Why does change scare so many people? |
Its not a case of change. Its a case of an application that will require your DPC password, has the potential to record your voting patterns and send them to a third party. I don't care if the person has been here since 2005 - hell I dont care if they have been here since 2002. This is why malware is so prevalent on the internet, too many people happy to think "well it looks kosher".. BANG!
But as I said, make it open source and the worries go away!
Is it Mac compatible as well?? ;0)
Message edited by author 2010-05-23 16:44:33. |
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05/23/2010 03:40:29 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by JH:
New, and for a limited time only!
With the DPC-Hackers Toolkit, you too can;
- Steal images!
- Mangle votes!
- Crash the DPC server!
- Hammer bandwidth!
- Open profile backdoors!
And it's free, free, free! |
I can do most of those without this application.. |
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05/23/2010 03:21:03 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by JH:
With the DPC-Hackers Toolkit, you too can; |
Nothing here cannot be done off the existing pages. |
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05/23/2010 03:10:55 PM · #5 |
| I like the idea, too... but as GeneralE said, I would HIGHLY recommend coordinating such a thing with Langdon to be sure it's ok with him. No use putting effort into something and then find that it's a TOS violation. |
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05/23/2010 03:03:09 PM · #6 |
New, and for a limited time only!
With the DPC-Hackers Toolkit, you too can;
- Steal images!
- Mangle votes!
- Crash the DPC server!
- Hammer bandwidth!
- Open profile backdoors!
And it's free, free, free! |
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05/23/2010 02:51:02 PM · #7 |
| No good turn goes un-punished hey.... Too bad at the reaction..... Maybe that is linked to the dropping challenge entries and dropping active users... but what do I know. I appreciate nobody's efforts at improving the UI experience of the site... even though this is not one I would use. |
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05/23/2010 02:42:51 PM · #8 |
It may be better to just put an option which would allow to load all the pictures of the challenge in cache...
Same result, easy to do ... |
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05/23/2010 02:39:33 PM · #9 |
| Why does change scare so many people? |
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05/23/2010 02:38:04 PM · #10 |
I would also strongly advise you debug it before you put it in working order for the populous. You don't want to accidentally have votes going to the wrong images in the end, nor would you want your program to accidentally infinite loop and perform a denial of service attack on DPC unintentionally. Otherwise, so long as you wrote the program efficiently (and I gather you have), it seems as though it could be quite an effective program :)
Please make it open source, too. I'm not in favor of you stealing my password ^^; |
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05/23/2010 02:31:39 PM · #11 |
| Why am I reminded of that moment when the tribal elders first saw a cigarette lighter... |
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05/23/2010 01:44:08 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by Simms:
How can we be sure that our votes are not sent to yourself in the background? Obviously we will have to allow this app to work through our firewalls, thus it could easily send a few extras packets so you can see how people are voting? Will you be releasing the source so we can compile ourselves, safe in the knowledge that the executable doesn't have anything untoward bundled in? |
Ok, now I'm feeling insulted. |
I can say that was not a concern of mine, not like he's a new account, been around since '05, everybody knows nobody! |
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05/23/2010 10:00:01 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by Simms:
How can we be sure that our votes are not sent to yourself in the background? Obviously we will have to allow this app to work through our firewalls, thus it could easily send a few extras packets so you can see how people are voting? Will you be releasing the source so we can compile ourselves, safe in the knowledge that the executable doesn't have anything untoward bundled in? |
Ok, now I'm feeling insulted. |
Why? - I dont know you from Adam and you`re asking me to download and test a program that obviously stores a record of my voting and then sends it to the internet afterwards. I am not insulting you personally. Its not like I just called you a twat or something.
Would you download a piece of software from me and run it on your system without asking valid questions about data protection? Of course you wouldn't.
Sorry if you took offence, try not to be so sensitive poppet. |
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05/23/2010 09:12:42 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by Simms:
How can we be sure that our votes are not sent to yourself in the background? Obviously we will have to allow this app to work through our firewalls, thus it could easily send a few extras packets so you can see how people are voting? Will you be releasing the source so we can compile ourselves, safe in the knowledge that the executable doesn't have anything untoward bundled in? |
Ok, now I'm feeling insulted. |
Don't be. There are always the critics in any group and Simms
has a valid concern. Were I the owner my concern would be bandwidth if 188 people tried to D/L all the images of a 599 image free study at the same time. Send this idea to Langdon.
He might like it. He is the only critic you have to listen to.
I like the idea myself. |
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05/23/2010 08:18:04 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Simms:
How can we be sure that our votes are not sent to yourself in the background? Obviously we will have to allow this app to work through our firewalls, thus it could easily send a few extras packets so you can see how people are voting? Will you be releasing the source so we can compile ourselves, safe in the knowledge that the executable doesn't have anything untoward bundled in? |
Ok, now I'm feeling insulted. |
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05/23/2010 03:15:23 AM · #16 |
How can we be sure that our votes are not sent to yourself in the background? Obviously we will have to allow this app to work through our firewalls, thus it could easily send a few extras packets so you can see how people are voting? Will you be releasing the source so we can compile ourselves, safe in the knowledge that the executable doesn't have anything untoward bundled in?
Message edited by author 2010-05-23 03:15:52. |
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05/22/2010 11:32:05 PM · #17 |
What if I get a virus from this?
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05/22/2010 10:58:02 PM · #18 |
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05/22/2010 10:13:49 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
I love this site, but it sure is easy for people to get their panties in a bunch around here... |
I'll second that, but to keep with the OP, I think this would be a sweet option to have. Let me know if I can be a tester if you need more help. Thanks  Nobody.
BB |
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05/22/2010 09:49:53 PM · #20 |
| I love this site, but it sure is easy for people to get their panties in a bunch around here... |
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05/22/2010 09:45:21 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I think that before this great ideas is implemented,
Asking the Owners permission of the web site if you can do this would be a great idea |
Asking is always preferred and the nice way to go about things but certainly not required. There are many social media companies that already harvest DPC's content and store it on their own servers (Google, Wayback Machine, etc) and they do it without asking. It's simply part of doing busiess on the Internet. |
Dirty buggers :)
MAX! |
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05/22/2010 09:42:02 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I think that before this great ideas is implemented,
Asking the Owners permission of the web site if you can do this would be a great idea |
Asking is always preferred and the nice way to go about things but certainly not required. There are many social media companies that already harvest DPC's content and store it on their own servers (Google, Wayback Machine, etc) and they do it without asking. It's simply part of doing busiess on the Internet.
Edited to clarify: The batch submission could be viewed as spam and treated as such. My comment is in regards to the collection of data (ie photos).
Message edited by author 2010-05-22 22:04:22.
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05/22/2010 09:07:51 PM · #23 |
I think that before this great ideas is implemented,
Asking the Owners permission of the web site if you can do this would be a great idea |
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05/22/2010 09:06:15 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Quigley:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Quigley:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It may be a handy accessory. It may cause problems or have consequences as yet unforseen.* I am suggesting that you "go through proper channels" before implimenting any such site modification.
Without in any way discounting the idea or the effort, I see no need to be precipitate in activating this, and reiterate the suggestion that you discuss this with Langdon first.
*For example, one I can think of right away, is that if voting is performed offline there is less assurance that it is only the account-holder actually casting the votes, unless the software/interface contains similar security provisions as the site itself. |
I'm sure there are many more issues to take into account, one such problem comes to mind, the very thing that we are trying to prevent on this site, copyright infringement. We have no way of telling if people are removing the images after they are finished voting and or using the images without permission.
I am far from being a stellar photographer but we have some GREAT ones on this site and they have already had photographs stolen with the precautions that are in place now, giving people the freedom to upload our images to their computer and to trust that they will remove them when they are finished voting is in my opinion far to risky.
I DO NOT want to detract from what you are trying to do and if there is a way that the images cannot be captured and removed and then used but any unscrupulous people and it is voted on and accepted by the majority of the membership and thus approved by SC and ultimately by the BIG CHEESES themselves then I say it will certainly make some people very happy.
Just my .02$ worth.
MAX! |
Damn, people really don't understand how much of a joke the whole "preventing copyright theft" argument is..
Here, I'll explain -
The images are quite easy to download the entire time they are in voting.. Sure it requires a very small trick, but in now way are you images somehow "protected" right now, if you think that little .gif overlay actually stops anybody but the most casual persons, then you are quite mistaken..
So, drop that particular worry, they aren't secure now, nor will they ever be... Oh and every time a picture is viewed on the internet, it's downloaded to your cache anyway...
Now, here's a real concern - if you keep a cached archive of the images in the challenge (what I assume you mean, download once, then vote at your leisure.. Offline or on, then near the end of the challenge pass the votes to the server..), then how do you deal with an image that has been DQ'd, if you send a vote, does that mess up something on DPC's end? Can you quickly get a list of challenge entry image ID's without needing to download the image? |
Gee Cory thanks for breaking it down for me. I had trouble explaining the exact same thing as you explained to me in the second section of my reply which, although not as eloquently said as you gets across the same point. I'm merely stating WHY make it easier by grouping everything into one cache.
MAX! |
By the time you finish voting now it's in one cache anyway. Each image will be in the temporary file folder.
Since one of the intended results of the offline voting was to speed things up a bit, why not just institute some form of pre-fetch so images are loaded in the background while you are voting. At the beginning of voting things will be as they are now but as you move through the images they will appear instantaneously (or as close to that as possible) since they will have already been cached. |
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05/22/2010 09:02:08 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Quigley:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It may be a handy accessory. It may cause problems or have consequences as yet unforseen.* I am suggesting that you "go through proper channels" before implimenting any such site modification.
Without in any way discounting the idea or the effort, I see no need to be precipitate in activating this, and reiterate the suggestion that you discuss this with Langdon first.
*For example, one I can think of right away, is that if voting is performed offline there is less assurance that it is only the account-holder actually casting the votes, unless the software/interface contains similar security provisions as the site itself. |
I'm sure there are many more issues to take into account, one such problem comes to mind, the very thing that we are trying to prevent on this site, copyright infringement. We have no way of telling if people are removing the images after they are finished voting and or using the images without permission.
I am far from being a stellar photographer but we have some GREAT ones on this site and they have already had photographs stolen with the precautions that are in place now, giving people the freedom to upload our images to their computer and to trust that they will remove them when they are finished voting is in my opinion far to risky.
I DO NOT want to detract from what you are trying to do and if there is a way that the images cannot be captured and removed and then used but any unscrupulous people and it is voted on and accepted by the majority of the membership and thus approved by SC and ultimately by the BIG CHEESES themselves then I say it will certainly make some people very happy.
Just my .02$ worth.
MAX! |
Damn, people really don't understand how much of a joke the whole "preventing copyright theft" argument is..
Here, I'll explain -
The images are quite easy to download the entire time they are in voting.. Sure it requires a very small trick, but in now way are you images somehow "protected" right now, if you think that little .gif overlay actually stops anybody but the most casual persons, then you are quite mistaken..
So, drop that particular worry, they aren't secure now, nor will they ever be... Oh and every time a picture is viewed on the internet, it's downloaded to your cache anyway...
Now, here's a real concern - if you keep a cached archive of the images in the challenge (what I assume you mean, download once, then vote at your leisure.. Offline or on, then near the end of the challenge pass the votes to the server..), then how do you deal with an image that has been DQ'd, if you send a vote, does that mess up something on DPC's end? Can you quickly get a list of challenge entry image ID's without needing to download the image? |
Gee Cory thanks for breaking it down for me. I had trouble explaining the exact same thing as you explained to me in the second section of my reply which, although not as eloquently said as you gets across the same point. I'm merely stating WHY make it easier by grouping everything into one cache.
MAX! |
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