Critique those who never mark comments as useful?

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II

06/08/2004 10:14:21 AM · #1

I would like to propose that when we are allocated a photo to critique by somebody who NEVER marks a comment as helpful, that we be given the choice to pass that photo over.
There are always too many photos waiting for a critique from the CC, and missing out people who never show their appreciation for anybody's insight and time would be a great way to bring down the number a little.
Comments?

Chiqui

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

06/08/2004 10:22:18 AM · #2

I have requested a critique from the CC and never received one. Honestly, I never remember to mark comments as useful. Pictures are not getting critiqued anyway, so....

June

blemt

Nikon D70

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Nikon

06/08/2004 10:30:56 AM · #3

Originally posted by chiqui74:

I have requested a critique from the CC and never received one. Honestly, I never remember to mark comments as useful. Pictures are not getting critiqued anyway, so....

June

It takes less than 2 seconds to mark comments as helpful. This feedback is critical to help folks learn how to comment better. I go back and review the comments folks mark as useful, and the ones they mark as unuseful. This helps me improve my technique. In come cases you have some very accurate comments on your images that are not marked useful.

When I go back and review comments this indicates to me that you really don't want any feedback on your images. I have no indication that you are actually taking time to read what is said.

Just something to think about.

Clara

Chiqui

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

06/08/2004 10:33:52 AM · #4

Originally posted by blemt:

Originally posted by chiqui74:
I have requested a critique from the CC and never received one. Honestly, I never remember to mark comments as useful. Pictures are not getting critiqued anyway, so....

June

It takes less than 2 seconds to mark comments as helpful. This feedback is critical to help folks learn how to comment better. I go back and review the comments folks mark as useful, and the ones they mark as unuseful. This helps me improve my technique. In come cases you have some very accurate comments on your images that are not marked useful.

When I go back and review comments this indicates to me that you really don't want any feedback on your images. I have no indication that you are actually taking time to read what is said.

Just something to think about.

Clara

I do, in fact, read every single comment I get. The point I was trying to make is that we are quick to judge others, but when I requested a critique (long ago), I didn't get it, not once.

June

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

06/08/2004 10:38:30 AM · #5

I also don't get most of my images critiqued where I have ticked the box for CC. This is because there are so many, that many people won't receive one for some time. This is exactly my point, and why I think critiquing people who don't seem to be appreciative of existing comments should be overlooked in favour of those that have made more of an effort in showing their thanks.

EddyG

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

06/08/2004 10:44:23 AM · #6

I don't think checking or not checking a "This comment was helpful" checkbox indicates whether or not somebody is appreciative of comments.

The checkbox says "helpful", and that means different things to different people. I rarely check it on the comments I receive, but that does not mean that I don't appreciate all the comments. I do, and I will add my own "comment" to my challenge pics thanking everybody for their comments.

If there was a separate checkbox that said "Thanks for the taking the time to comment", I would probably check it on just about every comment I receive. But I'm not going to mark a comment as being helpful just because I got a comment.

The intention of the checkbox is to flag those comments that are "extra special", so that if somebody views the image and wants to see which comments made the photographer realize how to improve the photo, the little "professor" icon is a quick way to locate those "important" comments. Arbitrarily marking every comment helpful diminishes the intent of this educational mechanism and indeed turns it into a "I have read your comment" checkbox.

Message edited by author 2004-06-08 10:55:23.

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

06/08/2004 11:15:08 AM · #7

Originally posted by EddyG:

I don't think checking or not checking a "This comment was helpful" checkbox indicates whether or not somebody is appreciative of comments. ...

The checkbox says "helpful", and that means different things to different people. ...

To me the "this comment was helpful" box does indicate that I'm appreciative of the time someone spent to critique my image. The only time I don't check the box is when I consider the comment to be, well, rude. This box is the only way I know to acknowledge the time and effort that someone put into critiquing.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

06/08/2004 11:19:56 AM · #8

Originally posted by EddyG:

...The intention of the checkbox is to flag those comments that are "extra special", so that if somebody views the image and wants to see which comments made the photographer realize how to improve the photo, the little "professor" icon is a quick way to locate those "important" comments. Arbitrarily marking every comment helpful diminishes the intent of this educational mechanism and indeed turns it into a "I have read your comment" checkbox.

Yes. A good number of comments I receive are either critical or complimentary or both. Many express unsubstantiated opinions. Some attempt to justify an exclusive challenge interpretation, occasionally in a lecturing tone.

I have resorted to marking comments as useful which I consider 'useful' as well as those I simply wish to acknowledge as a matter of courtesy.

I agree with Eddy, that marking comments as 'useful' which are mere demonstrations of either neglect or ignorance serves no sensible purpose.

Message edited by author 2004-06-08 11:42:35.

EddyG

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

06/08/2004 11:22:46 AM · #9

Originally posted by sfalice:

To me the "this comment was helpful" box does indicate that I'm appreciative of the time someone spent to critique my image.

And you are free to use the checkbox for that purpose, although I don't see how something like "wow!" or "nice shot" can be considered a "helpful" comment. I take the little "professor" icon a little more literally, and only check those comments that are "helpful" (since that is what the checkbox says). I thank the folks that made comments and show my appreciation by publicly saying "thanks for the comments" by commenting on my own picture.

06/08/2004 11:23:52 AM · #10

Originally posted by EddyG:

If you rarely check these boxes, it says that sometimes you do. In that case, I would give you a critique.
You also say that you sometimes leave a comment thanking everyone. In that case, I would give you a critique.
I'm talking about the people that don't tick ANYTHING, and don't comment to leave thanks.
Given the number of people who aren't receiveing critiques, I still think this is a valid way of cutting down the numbers.

Neuferland

Google Pixel 2

06/08/2004 11:26:15 AM · #11

Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by sfalice:
To me the "this comment was helpful" box does indicate that I'm appreciative of the time someone spent to critique my image.

And you are free to use the checkbox for that purpose, although I don't see how something like "wow!" or "nice shot" can be considered a "helpful" comment. I take the little "professor" icon a little more literally, and only check those comments that are "helpful" (since that is what the checkbox says). I thank the folks that made comments and show my appreciation by publicly saying "thanks for the comments" by commenting on my own picture.

Oh I don't know, the "Wow!" and "Nice Shot" comments are helpful to me because it means that I did something good and it helps my ego, ya know? :)

Deannda
The only ones I don't mark helpful are the blank ones

Dusty

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

06/08/2004 11:39:19 AM · #12

I'm new here but feel I must put my two cents in anyway! I feel that if someone can take the time to make a comment on my photo then I can take the time to respond to that person by a private message or an e-mail thanking them. Sure,that takes time but it took them time as well and deserves aknowlegement. I agree that the check box is too vague and should be changed to something other than what it is now. There are some comments that are merely statements and in no way offer any constructive criticism, therefore cannot be helpful other than letting you know that someone else either appreciates your work or not. I personally appreciateany and all help or criticism I can get. Thank you for your time.

lockjawdavis

Fujifilm FinePix 3800

06/08/2004 12:44:42 PM · #13

You would think most comments would be regarded as 'helpful' in some respect. Unfortunately, I often find that members find only the compliments helpful, while disregarding the criticisms. It's unfortunate, as the critiques will actually be much more helpful in the growth of the artist. Compliments are great for that warm, fuzzy feeling but they're, ultimately, rather cheap.

photom

Nikon D200

06/08/2004 01:06:41 PM · #14

Let's all remember that critique club comments are "After the fact." During the challenge - it's easy to see when the comment number go up - and go take a peek.

Unfortunately, after the challenge is over, there's no way a person can easily tell if a Critique Club Critique was added unless they make a special effort to look at each photo.

I suspect there are quite a few CC Critiques that the photographer does not know are out there.

Perhaps there's some way to tell him or her on their home page?

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Message edited by author 2004-06-08 13:07:54.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

06/08/2004 01:25:19 PM · #15

Originally posted by photom:

Anybody can tell if they have new comments by looking at the number of comments received on the left of their profile page. If the number has gone up, you can click on the number to look at the comments.

David.C

06/08/2004 01:28:28 PM · #16

Starting with the obvious that not everyone has the same level of skill and knowledge, a comment may simply be over the heads of some. The comment could say overexposed, DoF too tight, etc., but if they are still getting those concepts down they will likely know that already. Someone pointing out something already known is not really being helpful, no matter how hard they are trying to be. Likewise, a comment stating the obove, when it was intentional, is not really helpful. The point I am trying to make is the comment has to fit into (and add to) the knowledge and experience of the photographer in order to really help them.

As for the Critique Club; I thought that was for critiquing the photo -- not the photographer. If you pick and choose the photos that get critiqued based on who took them, you may as well get rid of the current "take what you get" system and toss them all onto a list, sort by favorite artist, and fight for the ones at the top.

It is my understanding, from a previous thread, when a critique is requested for a photo, that photo goes into a queue (first come - first served) and are then drawn from that queue once critiquing starts for that challenge. That means only the fastest photographers get their photos critiqued. Not to say anything against those with quick shutters, but this probably also means the photos being critiqued are those with the least amount of time and effort put into them.

If the above understanding is correct, I do not expect my photos will ever by visited by the critique club. When I do get a photo I am pleased enough with to submit, it is usually within the last few minutes of the submission period. Hmm, I wonder... If I was to submit a photo, any photo at all, in the first few minutes of the submission period and then change it when I get my actual submission done, would my photo stay at the front of the queue???? ;p

David

majuicy

Pentax *ist DS

06/08/2004 01:28:51 PM · #17

I also have marked comments as useful, but it doesn't show that i have. Anyone know what that is?

David.C

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

06/08/2004 01:37:40 PM · #18

Originally posted by majuicy:

I also have marked comments as useful, but it doesn't show that i have. Anyone know what that is?

As it says under the numbers in your profile, "Stats are computed after midnight on Mondays and Wednesdays."

I am quessing the comments in question are for an entry in the current open challenge, in which case they will be added to the stats after midnight tonight (server time).

David

06/08/2004 01:40:39 PM · #19

I think this thread has opened up a can of worms here...
can we get back to the original question, which was whether I would be justified in not giving a CC critique to somebody who has not marked ANY comment as useful... not one, not a sausage... or left any comments saying thanks for votes and comments.

Whether to tick certain comments as helpful or not is a whole different kettle of fish, which has been explored in other threads.

I think this is justified, as most people aren't getting their CC request filled and I'd rather that somebody got one who can be bothered to mark SOME helpful comments as helpful. I don't mind critiquing a terrible photo if I think the photographer will get something out of it.
I've found that someone who hasn't ticked any comments at all as useful is pretty rare, and I've not made a CC comment to anybody that fits this profile yet, but I'm anticipating what I would do if this happened.

Bob

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

06/08/2004 01:46:52 PM · #20

I don't think that the number of comments marked helpful is an accurate representation of the the receiver's appreciation but I suppose you are welcome to give critiques in any way you choose.

-raremk

photom

Nikon D200

06/08/2004 01:46:59 PM · #21

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

I would support this 100% if I knew the photographer had viewed/read my prior critiques and did not find them useful. I would rather spend my time writing critiques that help folks.

-Tom-

06/08/2004 02:04:52 PM · #22

Originally posted by mk:

You don't think if the number is zero, that this is a good representation of the the receiver's appreciation?

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

06/08/2004 02:16:42 PM · #23

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Originally posted by mk:
I don't think that the number of comments marked helpful is an accurate representation of the the receiver's appreciation but I suppose you are welcome to give critiques in any way you choose.

-raremk

You don't think if the number is zero, that this is a good representation of the the receiver's appreciation?

Personally, no, I do not. Some people, like me, choose not to use the "helpful" thing for any number of reasons which, as you pointed out, have been listed in previous threads. So I happen to know that in at least one case, the number marked helpful isn't an accurate representation of appreciation. However, I rarely submit and when I do, I don't ask for a CC anyway so it really makes no difference to me what you do or how you justify it. Just pointing out that it isn't always an indication of lack of apprecation.

06/08/2004 02:20:35 PM · #24

Great shots mk...
can I ask why you don't think ANY comments are helpful to you?