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01/31/2010 09:45:54 AM · #1
Fine Art Photography Challenge Take some risks this week and present a subject in a unique and imaginative way, using the various techniques commonly associated with "Fine Art Photography".

I think No Commercial Potential, is the key and hopefully posthumous will have tough time choosing Ribbons if people do it right...

Take a giant step away from the norm and all the rules.

Message edited by author 2010-02-11 14:24:14.
01/31/2010 09:55:43 AM · #2
seconded
01/31/2010 10:10:18 AM · #3
I don't see why Art Art Roflmao should be fined. He seems like a pretty good DPC'er. : )

The challenge does sound like a creative challenge, and it would produce an unusual batch of images. Voting results would be interesting to see.
01/31/2010 10:14:19 AM · #4
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:

I don't see why Art Art Roflmao should be fined. He seems like a pretty good DPC'er. : )

The challenge does sound like a creative challenge, and it would produce an unusual batch of images. Voting results would be interesting to see.


Yeah that's the first thing I thought when I saw the suggestion. I would be down for a challenge like this. A perfect compliment to the February Blur SC. :D
01/31/2010 10:21:26 AM · #5
Look, in general I think this is a great idea; a challenge devoted to "expressive" photography instead of "commercial" photography, as it were. But, out of curiosity, can you list for us "...the various techniques commonly associated with "Fine Art Photography"..."?

I mean, what are they? Ways of using the camera that only "fine artists" do? Is it about processing? Is it a question of subject matter? For example, how does a sharply focused, well-lit, breathtaking landscape fit into this challenge? They sure as heck sell... So I guess that's "commercial", and Ansel wasn't a "fine artist"? He'd agree with that, by the way, but would the curators?

There's a form or style or genre of painting that's called "photorealism" that, relatively recently at least, was very much the darling of the fine-arts world, where artists took (usually) banal snapshots and created perfect reproductions of them on a large scale. From this I can more-or-less deduce that the "snapshot" is a fine-art technique. In fact, I don't need photorealist paintings to tell me that, I just need to look in the trendy galleries (or their catalogues) to see that matter-of-fact recording of the banal in everyday life is considered "fine art". Whether the DPC community can accept it and vote on it effectively, however, is a valid question.

I do NOT mean to be putting this challenge suggestion down, btw: I wish with all my heart we could find a way to do exactly this, even to the extent of splitting challenges into two "divisions", commercial and non-commercial, but danged if I've ever figured out how to do it... Part of the problem lies in drawing the line between the two, and part of the problem lies with how the voters would handle this. I mean, from a "curatorial" POV, ZZ produces some of the best art in DPC on a consistent basis, but I'm not sure he could ribbon even in this challenge, given the tastes of the voters as a group....

R.
01/31/2010 10:37:12 AM · #6
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Look, in general I think this is a great idea; a challenge devoted to "expressive" photography instead of "commercial" photography, as it were. But, out of curiosity, can you list for us "...the various techniques commonly associated with "Fine Art Photography"..."?

I mean, what are they? Ways of using the camera that only "fine artists" do? Is it about processing? Is it a question of subject matter? For example, how does a sharply focused, well-lit, breathtaking landscape fit into this challenge? They sure as heck sell... So I guess that's "commercial", and Ansel wasn't a "fine artist"? He'd agree with that, by the way, but would the curators?

R.


Personally, I don't care what people do or what they think "Fine Art Photography" is. Let the voters decide if it fits the bill, as they see it. Nobody can define this stuff for others but I can define it for myself...although I'm sure I'd have trouble putting it in words. If people do a little research, they will get an idea what works for them but it's safe to say that almost anybody can define or see what's "commercial" so, that might be a good starting point in creating your own definition.

eta:posthumous Ribbon winners generally fit the "no commercial potential" bill but it's very possible that a few of those images could be used commercially. However it's still a respectable guideline.

Photorealism < - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Unrecognizable Blur

I'd say stick the the right side of that scale.... (lolololol)

Message edited by author 2010-01-31 10:47:03.
01/31/2010 10:48:11 AM · #7
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Personally, I don't care what people do or think "Fine Art Photography" is. Let the voters decide if it fits the bill as they see it. Nobody can define this stuff for others but I can define it for myself...although I'm sure I'd have trouble putting it in words. (lolololol)


Fair enough. I hadn't thought of it that way. In a sense, the challenge could be seen as a referendum on the artistic inclinations of DPC, both as shooters and voters...

R.
01/31/2010 10:50:26 AM · #8
Sounds fun to me, probably going to start a small war, but I think it would be a nice way to try to do something I will never do otherwise.
01/31/2010 10:59:11 AM · #9
Good idea, though I agree with Bear this will be hard to define.

And it will be a first--we've never had a challenge where a 4.x rating ribboned before ;)
01/31/2010 11:17:16 AM · #10
Originally posted by nshapiro:

And it will be a first--we've never had a challenge where a 4.x rating ribboned before ;)


I agree with him too, it's impossible to define but what the hell. Let it ride!

Hmmm, a 4.xxx Ribbon? lolo.

01/31/2010 11:24:27 AM · #11
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I mean, from a "curatorial" POV, ZZ produces some of the best art in DPC on a consistent basis, but I'm not sure he could ribbon even in this challenge, given the tastes of the voters as a group....


great point... unless this were a juried challenge, it would become a paradox. The winner of the challenge would define a "Fine Art Stock Photo". Still, I like the idea.
01/31/2010 11:31:17 AM · #12
Originally posted by pointandshoot:

The winner of the challenge would define a "Fine Art Stock Photo". Still, I like the idea.


I think under normal Challenge circumstances the average DPC voter enjoys things that are readily tangible BUT this might throw them off quite a bit and the results will be more widespread than you could imagine. But even if you're right about the "Fine Art Stock Photo" thing, it will still be pretty new ground for the site. We'll see what happens.

Message edited by author 2010-01-31 11:32:02.
01/31/2010 12:07:04 PM · #13
I am interested in this challenge idea. Bravo to pawdrix for daring to suggest it. I hope to live to see the day when 'fine art photography' is more than pictures of nude females. When the photographer's style is more important than the subject of the photo. When photography is no longer dominated by photo journalism. And, as long as I'm wishing, when photographers no longer scoff & scorn flower shots. "D When is a photo 'no longer a photo?' How do you know it when you see it?

Message edited by author 2010-01-31 12:07:47.
01/31/2010 12:12:06 PM · #14
I for one would love this challenge. I'm finding that more and more of my personal work falls into the fine art category.
01/31/2010 12:17:27 PM · #15
Originally posted by pawdrix:

We'll see what happens.

Maybe it will become a regular event. A "Red - Fine Art" challenge run concurrently with "Red VIII" would be a welcome option. But, back to the OP, I "third" the motion for a "Fine Art Photography" challenge.

01/31/2010 12:34:34 PM · #16
Who Fine Arted?
01/31/2010 12:49:27 PM · #17
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01/31/2010 01:31:20 PM · #18
I think to define it very well, it should read

A shoot in the style that has achieved a Posthumous award
01/31/2010 01:53:01 PM · #19
Originally posted by JulietNN:

I think to define it very well, it should read

A shoot in the style that has achieved a Posthumous award

And provide a link to the latest thread so the poor folks who don't regularly read the Forums don't think they have to be dead to submit.

:-)
01/31/2010 01:58:03 PM · #20
Fine Art Photography is the title with no description.
01/31/2010 02:12:42 PM · #21
Originally posted by posthumous:

Fine Art Photography is the title with no description.


yes
01/31/2010 02:47:55 PM · #22
I really like this suggestion! It would be a good exercise to get people to step outside of the box. Of course, some people are already there but they hold back in challenges since "fine art photography" isn't often appreciated by the voters. It would make for an amazing collection of images to vote on.
01/31/2010 03:00:29 PM · #23
Yep, another vote in favour. Would be a delight to vote on, I am sure.
01/31/2010 03:39:08 PM · #24
Sounds good to me too...

Message edited by author 2010-01-31 18:18:53.
01/31/2010 06:14:00 PM · #25
I think this is a great idea for a challenge. None of my stuff is very commercial (but would have to stretch to be considered fine art, lol!)
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