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05/26/2004 12:52:04 AM · #1
OK you guys - I'm in total awe!

The multiple light sources - at first glance - is absolutely stupendous.
(That may be because it followed the toilet seats and all the other habits - but I don't really think so!)

Congratulations to all who submitted; I'm sure this challenge will make me spend several hours of exploration (a good thing.)

I'm glad everyone gets to vote -it's going to be tough to pick a winner.

05/26/2004 12:53:02 AM · #2
It's nice to see so many different ideas. It's going to be interesting to go through them all.
05/29/2004 09:42:59 AM · #3
I agree with both of you, the entries are very good, however there are a lot of pictures with, for example 1 sun--how is this multiple light sources?!?!- however there are indeed a few very nice studio shots and some nice city ones. I think it will be hard picking a winner, but very easy picking the losers.
05/29/2004 09:49:01 AM · #4
Some really well-done shots (and some not-so-well done) in this one. I do, however, think this is the fewest number of really high scores that I have rated. I had one 10, four 9s, and six 8s...but I'm still going back occasionally and refining my ratings. I didn't have any 1s, and very few 2s, but many shots kind of fell in the 3-7 category for me. Am I alone in that thinking/voting pattern? :o)
05/29/2004 11:28:46 AM · #5
Originally posted by bigvoltage:

however there are a lot of pictures with, for example 1 sun--how is this multiple light sources?!?!
Probably taken with flash on.

On a more serious note, I agree that there are a lot of nice images where the use of multiple light sources is not "obvious" as the challenge details called for. I am having a hard time dealing with this as I vote.
05/29/2004 12:04:02 PM · #6
Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by bigvoltage:

however there are a lot of pictures with, for example 1 sun--how is this multiple light sources?!?!
Probably taken with flash on.

On a more serious note, I agree that there are a lot of nice images where the use of multiple light sources is not "obvious" as the challenge details called for. I am having a hard time dealing with this as I vote.


The way I voted was, if I actually saw a light source in the photo (sun, lamp, etc) I'd assume there was an off-screen source used as well. I was pretty easy on photos in regards to,'does this meet the challenge' this time around. I think the guidelines were stated clearly enough. I was never clear whether 'obvious use' meant, show more than one light source in the actual photo or not. That seemed kind of silly to me so I just assumed it meant use more than one light source. and make it obvious in the composition (for instance, it isn't easy to capture the details in water using just the light from a sunset --- the water would be underexposed).
I had more 7's and 8's than usual but I also had a lot more low votes than usual. I looked them all after I voted and some went down and some went up.

I voted on everything:

five 8's
fifteen 7's
twenty-nine 6's
eighty-three 5's
fifty-eight 4's
twenty-six 3's
seven 2's


05/29/2004 01:02:53 PM · #7
A lot of very good photos. Sadly some very good photos I had to score at the low end because...
I couldn't detect or see the obvious use of multiple light sources in the shot..let's remember the multiple sources of light has to obviously form an integral part of the photo.
If I appreciated the shot for it's technical quality but marked it down because of this...I left comments stating so.
ewweee yuk! (Just had a drink of tea expecting it to be coffee!)..anyways
A lot of really great images...excellent work. Just the challenge wasn't always met.
05/29/2004 01:11:23 PM · #8
Originally posted by bongo:

A lot of very good photos. Sadly some very good photos I had to score at the low end because...
I couldn't detect or see the obvious use of multiple light sources in the shot..let's remember the multiple sources of light has to obviously form an integral part of the photo.
If I appreciated the shot for it's technical quality but marked it down because of this...I left comments stating so.
ewweee yuk! (Just had a drink of tea expecting it to be coffee!)..anyways
A lot of really great images...excellent work. Just the challenge
wasn't always met.


I would agree. Many photos I assume had multple light sources, but if its not visable then I marked it down slightly, one point.
05/29/2004 02:36:03 PM · #9
Another way of asking the question might be " is it possible to take this shot without multiple light scources?". Some of the negative comments on my submission have been about the fact that the viewer sees only one light source. That there are three blown out highpoints on the reflective suffaces and no defined shadows, is secondary to the fact that the distinct shadows can't be counted nor are the sources visible. Because I used over twenty different light scources ( a bit of experimental overkill but I amused myself :-)) I got a very odd soft light that some commentors see as not meeting the challenge.

To some voters, certain effects, which can only be achived by multiple light scources, do not meet the criteria of the challenge ( I am thinking of the standard four light studio portrait with hair light and kicker) because the use of the lights is not blatant enough. I think they are wrong to say the challenge has not been met, since any lighting design that can only be achived by multiple scources meets the challenge, and then should be judged on the quality of the effect and the overall shot. The challenge was not multiple visible light scources, it just needed multiple scources to be integral to the effect presented in the shot.
05/29/2004 03:13:56 PM · #10
I quote:
"MAKE THE OBVIOUS use of MULTIPLE LIGHT SOURCES a KEY FACTOR in your composition this week. As always, use your imagination and be creative!

Now. Lets break the sentence down. In fact I've done it for you.
Read the capitalized words.
MAKE THE OVIOUS - MULTIPLE LIGHT SOURCES - KEY FACTOR.

I will not persue this issue/arguement further.
05/29/2004 03:17:41 PM · #11
Just read my last posting. It comes across rude and condescending.
I must apologize for that..sincerely.
However..I stand by the point.
Again sorry for being rude..I hope no offence taken.
05/29/2004 07:41:44 PM · #12
I suppose it is a question of perception. What is obvious to one person may not be ascertainable to another. If there is an elephant in the room, some people need only a nod of the head in its direction to see it, others have to have their heads taken between another's hands and turned until the nose is within a few inches before the elephant becomes obvious.

There are some stunning shots in this challenge (not mine by a long shot) that will suffer because their use of multiple sources is not blatant, just obvious to any careful observer.

As for being rude, if it helps you make your point, go at it. I don't take anything said to a keyboard personally.

05/29/2004 07:53:10 PM · #13
You are well spoken. Thank-you.

Now. I just want to know one thing.

Am I not seeing the elephant?

lol....Thank-you for being so gracious over my rant.
05/30/2004 02:28:04 AM · #14
Since I have no idea how you are voting I don't know if you see him or not, but I have a bad feeling that the "MUST BE OBVIOUS" folk are going to torpedo a few very sweet shots (here I think of a single lamp against a sunset) for being less than in your face. As a person who is more often accused of being too obvious than subtle I am usually not hurt by this voting style because I tend to put my elephants squarely in the middle of the room, but I think an insistence on blatancy could give the challenge to an inferior shot. Of course my idea of superior rarely wins the popular vote. I think it was Churchill who said democracy is a terrible system, but it is the best one we have.
05/30/2004 02:14:17 PM · #15
I have been thinking about the wording of the challenge instructions, and I think one way they could be interpreted is by looking at the words directly after "make the obvious" which are "use of." Using the multiple light sources to me implies more than just taking a picture of lights that exist somewhere...the light sources must be USED in an OBVIOUS way. USE OF can be interpreted in a number of ways, but to me it implies that the photographer has MANIPULATED the light from the multiple sources in some way or another. That's what I am looking for as I refine my votes. :o)
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