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03/18/2009 03:47:24 AM · #1
I'm not usually one to gripe about scoring, but I was surprised at the statistics in my Hidden Gem photo.
15 x 1
10 x 2
19 x 3
22 x 4.

= 65 votes of 4 or below.

but also 15 x 10

overall average 6.2389
Holy cow batman! Why so many such low scores? Just doesn't make sense to me. I try to give scores of 4 or below to out-of-focus badly processed poorly composed photos that don't meet the challenge.
I guess it didn't meet the challenge.


03/18/2009 03:59:00 AM · #2
i must admit i am puzzled by all those 1's
and the other lower scores

the trolls must have worked O/T on you

least you beat my 5.2+++
i actually scored it a 7

03/18/2009 04:00:26 AM · #3
I presonally thought your deserve higher place than you got.

I know we will find so many such occurances as there were so many photos. Here is the statisitcs on mine.



62 votes 4 and below. 16 votes 9 or higher. 5 favs during the challenge. I myself very please with my placing in this challenge.
03/18/2009 04:00:32 AM · #4
I agree, something is messed up there. Very obvious trollage.
03/18/2009 04:03:25 AM · #5
Originally posted by aKiwi:

I'm not usually one to gripe about scoring, but I was surprised at the statistics in my Hidden Gem photo.
15 x 1
10 x 2
19 x 3
22 x 4.

= 65 votes of 4 or below.

but also 15 x 10

overall average 6.2389
Holy cow batman! Why so many such low scores? Just doesn't make sense to me. I try to give scores of 4 or below to out-of-focus badly processed poorly composed photos that don't meet the challenge.
I guess it didn't meet the challenge.


Ahhhh, to heck with scores, you made me think of HAL9000 in an alternate reality! That has to count for something.
03/18/2009 04:12:20 AM · #6
What about this one? 64 Great comments, and score??
03/18/2009 04:15:04 AM · #7
Originally posted by aKiwi:


Holy cow batman! Why so many such low scores?

Your commenters really loved it. Your detractors probably didn't want to see a colorful paper shot. It does take a lot more talent and effort to get these things to work out well than most people realize!
03/18/2009 04:22:44 AM · #8
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by aKiwi:

I'm not usually one to gripe about scoring, but I was surprised at the statistics in my Hidden Gem photo.
15 x 1
10 x 2
19 x 3
22 x 4.

= 65 votes of 4 or below.

but also 15 x 10

overall average 6.2389
Holy cow batman! Why so many such low scores? Just doesn't make sense to me. I try to give scores of 4 or below to out-of-focus badly processed poorly composed photos that don't meet the challenge.
I guess it didn't meet the challenge.


Ahhhh, to heck with scores, you made me think of HAL9000 in an alternate reality! That has to count for something.

I just loved readiong your comment.
Thanks for the time you put in it. I hadf a great chuckle
03/18/2009 04:24:14 AM · #9
I know it's some time ago, but this
got a score of 7.75,
this
got 6.29,
and my take on it

only got 5.9.
Honestly, I think my shot is the most appealing and technically best of the three. Any explanations?
03/18/2009 04:32:12 AM · #10
Originally posted by eyewave:

I know it's some time ago, but this
got a score of 7.75,
this
got 6.29,
and my take on it

only got 5.9.
Honestly, I think my shot is the most appealing and technically best of the three. Any explanations?


Might have suffered from a bit of "seen it before, nothing new" - I voted higher than you got BTW.
03/18/2009 04:40:52 AM · #11
Originally posted by aKiwi:


= 65 votes of 4 or below.

but also 15 x 10


Oh, Peter, you can give me the 15 tens if you don't want to have them, I didn't get any ;-)
(You can keep your ones, I don't need more than the one I got.)

I'd say there simply is diversity in opinion, and tastes are different.

I had for instance comments on mine expressing they liked the twigs, and others disliked them. Some found the road in the background added interest, and some found it distracting.

I find it very interesting to see how the same picture is seen totally different by different people.


03/18/2009 04:43:04 AM · #12
Originally posted by eyewave:

I know it's some time ago, but this
got a score of 7.75,
this
got 6.29,
and my take on it

only got 5.9.
Honestly, I think my shot is the most appealing and technically best of the three. Any explanations?


Thats the thing, its been seen twice before so loses the initial wow factor.
03/18/2009 05:03:43 AM · #13
Originally posted by Simms:


Thats the thing, its been seen twice before so loses the initial wow factor.


Yeah, as opposed to deers in the forest (BTW, congrats on your 10th, and I didn't vote it lower just because I knew it was yours as you entered a similar shot earlier).
Or about 200 subjects that placed before mine. I rather suspect huge loss of detail on lot of uncalibrated monitors out there.
03/18/2009 05:07:17 AM · #14
Originally posted by eyewave:

my take on it

only got 5.9.
Honestly, I think my shot is the most appealing and technically best of the three. Any explanations?


a. 'Splash shots' are much more common now?
b. The higher number of voters meant the score you got was more accurate then the previous challenge entries?
c. Compared to the other wonderful images the voters this didn't really stand out and was voted lower as a result?
d. It's not as good as you think?

Of the 500 or so votes there are 500 or so reasons, and this result is probably the most accurate of all challenges due to the high participation rate.
03/18/2009 05:19:33 AM · #15
Well DPC Is a tough site! Shots that amaze elseware sometimes fall by the wasteside here. though I have not entered many challenges here, I do have friends that do...

Take my entry for example...
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=771734

I am not unhappy with the outcome, but to think the same shot that came in 38th out of 1114 here,
beat out 200,000 photo entries to gain entry into Parade magazine...

Dear Mr. Armani,

Congratulations!

I am delighted to inform you that your attached photo has been selected
for inclusion in Parade Magazine. Considering that we received
more than 200,000 entries, your accomplishment is to be commended.

At this time we need you to do the following:


Photo Department
Parade Magazine
711 Third Avenue, 7th Floor
New York, NY 10017

Fax: 212-450-7291

You will receive a usage fee of $500 when your photograph is initially
published as the primary photo in the print edition of Parade Magazine.
Thank you very much and congratulations!

Sincerely,
Rita Clemente

~~~~~~~~~

Rita Clemente
Parade Publications
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New York, NY 10017-4014
(212)450-7124
Rita_Clemente@parade.com

03/18/2009 05:26:18 AM · #16
marcus, the crop in the newspaper is much better IMO. Also prefer b/w over color.
03/18/2009 05:35:59 AM · #17
Originally posted by eyewave:

Originally posted by Simms:


Thats the thing, its been seen twice before so loses the initial wow factor.


Yeah, as opposed to deers in the forest (BTW, congrats on your 10th, and I didn't vote it lower just because I knew it was yours as you entered a similar shot earlier).
Or about 200 subjects that placed before mine. I rather suspect huge loss of detail on lot of uncalibrated monitors out there.


I like to think mine was pretty unique.. yours is pretty much an exact duplicate.. find me another shot like mine and I will agree with you.

Still, the voters have spoken I guess. Try not to be too bitter mate.
03/18/2009 05:36:34 AM · #18
Originally posted by kbhatia1967:

What about this one? 64 Great comments, and score??

No Comments??
03/18/2009 05:38:11 AM · #19
Originally posted by kbhatia1967:

Originally posted by kbhatia1967:

What about this one? 64 Great comments, and score??

No Comments??


Generally a nice shot, but has no wow factor really, it doesnt seem sharp, the lighting seems flat. I see what you was doing with the border, but you relied on the border and the title to get the point across. If it wasnt for the border it would be no more than a snapshot really.
03/18/2009 05:47:53 AM · #20
Originally posted by eyewave:

marcus, the crop in the newspaper is much better IMO. Also prefer b/w over color.


Thay may be true, though I did not send in a black and white cropped version, but the version I posted here,
That Is what was judged and selected.
But that is neither here nor there. I was only trying to give an example of how a photo can do well in the eyes of
one set of judges, and other judges as the voters here on DPC are judges, can see things differently.

This should not take away from what one feels about there photo in which they are proud of.
A wonderful photo in the photographers eye, Is a wonderful photo period. Scores here should not be take personal, but should be all in good fun..
03/18/2009 05:48:27 AM · #21
Originally posted by MarcusArmani:

Well DPC Is a tough site! Shots that amaze elseware sometimes fall by the wasteside here. though I have not entered many challenges here, I do have friends that do...

Take my entry for example...
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=771734

I am not unhappy with the outcome, but to think the same shot that came in 38th out of 1114 here,
beat out 200,000 photo entries to gain entry into Parade magazine...



Well you beat me babe...my shot has won comps and been purchased by hierarchy in the past...and yet...a measly 6.2...sheesh!



Message edited by author 2009-03-18 05:48:49.
03/18/2009 05:54:41 AM · #22
Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by eyewave:

Originally posted by Simms:


Thats the thing, its been seen twice before so loses the initial wow factor.


Yeah, as opposed to deers in the forest (BTW, congrats on your 10th, and I didn't vote it lower just because I knew it was yours as you entered a similar shot earlier).
Or about 200 subjects that placed before mine. I rather suspect huge loss of detail on lot of uncalibrated monitors out there.


I like to think mine was pretty unique.. yours is pretty much an exact duplicate.. find me another shot like mine and I will agree with you.

Still, the voters have spoken I guess. Try not to be too bitter mate.


As i said, I liked your shot and it deserves it's high placing. And I'm not bitter, I don't care much for scores anymore, I was just quite surprised. To say my shot is just a duplicate is pretty harsh IMO, the idea of course is not new, but that is true for 99% of all shots on DPC.
03/18/2009 05:57:20 AM · #23
Originally posted by eyewave:

And I'm not bitter, I don't care much for scores anymore,


Which is why you are in a thread griping about scores.. :P

just teasing.
03/18/2009 06:00:19 AM · #24
i was pretty happy with my score of my Osprey shot
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=771157
...ive only been doing photography for the last year and learning as i go but got my highest score so far but would have liked a 6 but got 5.9443......i was rather disapointed in alot of the photos...i thought it was ment to be your best photo you rekcon you have taken...alot of portrait photos done really well which was alittle surprising seeing there were alot of very interesting photo in the lot...but im pretty happy
03/18/2009 06:02:09 AM · #25
Originally posted by MarcusArmani:




I do prefer this crop but Angela & I loved this shot during voting and surprised it didn`t do better.
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